SM Naruto, Orochimaru, and SM Jiraiya vs. EMS Madara

[KidGamer65]

Intel: Full

Distance: 25m

Location: Madara vs. Gokage

Restrictions: Perfect Susanoo. Gama Rinsho. Edo Tensei. Shadow Clones. (For Madara) Manda II (For people who think Oro can use it for some strange reason)

Conditions: Madara gets Amaterasu and Enton control on the level of EMS Sasuke. Jiraiya and Naruto start in Sage Mode. Orochimaru gets all of Kid Obito (w/ Zetsu aid) and Adult Obito's Mokuton feats.

Scenario 2: Replace SM Naruto w/ KCM Naruto. He can't use SM w/ Kyuubi's power, nor can he make more than 3 shadow clones.

Who wins?

 

[Beans2]

So many unorthodox conditions and restrictions...I'll have to think about this

 

[HNIC]

Couldn't Orochimaru potently solo?

 

[KingHashirama]

EMS Madara dependent on if hes gonna toy with them in the starting or go full out killing mode. If he tries to toys with them, it'll turn bad, but if hes going after killing from the bat, then he can take it by eliminating 1 of them at a time. None of them can match him in CQC and won't be hard for him to isolate people, via amaterasu and Susanoo.

 

[Nattana]

Interesting match-up. Gotta think about it.

 

[HNIC]

EMS Madara dependent on if hes gonna toy with them in the starting or go full out killing mode. If he tries to toys with them, it'll turn bad, but if hes going after killing from the bat, then he can take it by eliminating 1 of them at a time. None of them can match him in CQC and won't be hard for him to isolate people, via amaterasu and Susanoo.

CQC wouldn't be an issue for Orochimaru with the conditions and snake variations. We've witnessed how it advanced Obito against Mist shinobi and we all know Obito lacks skill in CQC

 

[KingHashirama]

CQC wouldn't be an issue for Orochimaru with the conditions and snake variations. We've witnessed how it advanced Obito against Mist shinobi and we all know Obito lacks skill in CQC

Yea but Madara now has AMaterasu control on the level of Sasuke. And his elite control over Susanoo + that control of Amaterasu.. i don't see any chance of Orochimaru matching him in cqc. But I think he'd try to take out Jiraiya or Naruto first.

 

[KidGamer65]

Couldn't Orochimaru potently solo?

An argument might be able to be put up for Team 1, but Orochimaru gets stomped on his own. Can't breach Susanoo, can't tank it's attacks. Madara just keeps fodderizing him, and setting him on fire with Enton till he stays dead.

 

[ARGUS]

Madara wins this

--with the choku tomoe precognition, madara can coordinate his attacks to land perfectly on each and every single one of them, using susanoo to cut them in half, the SM duo are not fast enough to dance around susanoos attacks and are not landing a hit on him

--the only way for them to bust susanoo is FRS, however with sasukes enton here, all of that gets lit up and backfired, turning them into a flaming fireball

--orochimaru is not doing shit either, he gets cut up by susanoo and his mokutons are not even scratching his defense added with the fact that madara can easily land a genjutsu on him and finish him off with his next attack,, using entons and amatearsu to force him into using oral rebirth just makes this easier

--the toads frog call is not helping much, not when susanoo can still protect him or when madara can amaterasu the toads before they even execute it, thus one shotting them on the process

 

[EliteKakashi]

Madara gets Amaterasu and Enton control on the level of EMS Sasuke.

Why even make the thread?

Even if someone wanted to argue that the two sages could sense the amaterasu coming, none of them actually have the speed feats(outside of KCM Naruto) to dodge it. On top of that, even if you bought some hypothetical argument that Jiraiya/SM Naruto can dodge amaterasu, you restrict the one move that can actually stop Madara in susanoo, being Gama Rinsho. Full intel means they know of susanoo's weak spot, but Madara having full intel knows that they know that, and isn't going to let them get that close.

You can't even argue that Shima summoning the toad army to assist Manda helps overwhelm Madara, because they can all be put down by amaterasu too.

Jiraiya has the fire sealing scroll, but he's not going to be able to pull that off quickly enough to avoid serious damage to anyone.

 

[ARGUS]

^^the sages can just block madaras LoS by smoke bombs or dust cloud the instant they sense it's built up
They don't necessarily need the speed to evade it

 

[EliteKakashi]

^^the sages can just block madaras LoS by smoke bombs or dust cloud the instant they sense it's built up
They don't necessarily need the speed to evade it

Dust clouds and smoke bombs aren't going to save them from getting hit by it. Sasuke can use it near instantly, can't he? So even if they get the smoke bomb off, he just hits where the smokebomb went off at.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why even make the thread?

Your whole analysis is nothing but you ridiculously overrating Amaterasu's effectiveness. Madara would probably take it, but not because of this nonsensical "Amaterasu spam".

Even if someone wanted to argue that the two sages could sense the amaterasu coming, none of them actually have the speed feats(outside of KCM Naruto) to dodge it. On top of that, even if you bought some hypothetical argument that Jiraiya/SM Naruto can dodge amaterasu, you restrict the one move that can actually stop Madara in susanoo, being Gama Rinsho. Full intel means they know of susanoo's weak spot, but Madara having full intel knows that they know that, and isn't going to let them get that close.

Two mistakes.

1. Assuming Amaterasu will one shot all 3 of them.

2. Assuming Gama Rinsho is the only technique that can stop Susanoo.

Clones stop Amaterasu. They can sense it coming even before it comes. Blocking LoS stops Amaterasu, and no, it's not instant. Lol. Not to mention Madara only has a V3 and below Susanoo here. Naruto has the firepower to destroy it, they only need to land it.

 

[Steinbiz]

with Perfect Susano'o restricted, team 1 absolutely stomps Madara. Hell, even with PS, team 1 would probably still win.

 

[Unorthodox]

So many unorthodox conditions and restrictions...I'll have to think about
this

Huh? Lmao

OT -

Madara negs juubi size katons shits on any mokuton for that level and any rasenshuriken amaterasu and enton destroys any boss toads or toads periode followed by a standing susanoo not even close

 

[Beans2]

Why not just use EMS Sasuke for this matchup? You restricted shadow clones and PS so this Madara is essentially equal with EMS Sasuke

 

[KidGamer65]

Why not just use EMS Sasuke for this matchup? You restricted shadow clones and PS so this Madara is essentially equal with EMS Sasuke

Madara's Susanoo have better feats at the lower stages, and they are larger.

 

[Beans2]

The team wins.

 

[Holy God]

Madara wins both times assuming he has access to Kurama since he wasn't restricted.