SM Naruto > Edo Itachi (And why)

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itachi solo all of naruto summoning with Amaterasu. sm naruto attacks can even break susano with out yata. rasengan by sm naruto could even get pass madara ribcage susano

tsukiyomi gg.
 

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It's not always about sealing, buddy (like I said before). Also, the OP was comparing their main abilities and showing how Itachi would lose to their counterparts - Naruto's moves. Anyway, I don't really know about these.

No, it's sealing. Only other methods shown beating Edo's are Rinne Rods and Onmyoton, two things Naruto doesn't possess.
 

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Edo Itachi > Itachi => SM Naruto
 

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This thread has no logic. First off itachi susanoo deflects all attacks. Second your point about the 3rd raikage is shaky at best. If naruto didn't talk to eight tails and get info about his scar .he woulda have been cluless. Lets not act like naruto figured it out by himself. Lastly he can't seal edo itachi .
 

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I actually agree. I also say that jiraiya is stronger than itachi as well. itachi doesn't belong on top ten lists

Please don't troll. Itachi wasn't there to fight Jiraiya during their encounter and could have easily amatersu'd him when he was standing 8 feet away instead of the wall.
Also, the databook gives Itachi a superior score in everything bar strength and stamina, which doesn't matter much when all of Itachi's fights go so quickly and the databook uses base scores.
Susanno would boost Itachi's strength score just as sage mode boosts Jiraiya's. Itachi is taking Jiraiiya med-diff, but that isn't what this thread is about.

Itachi is beating SM mode Naruto. Also, Itachi does belong on top ten lists.
 

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If sage mode could sense Genjutsu then Kabuto would not have contact. Naruto fails to Tsukiyomi.
 

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Yeah, SM Naruto definitely takes it.
 

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How does sensing counter gen and atrematsu. He can see them coming but what does he do??????
 

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You don't always need seals to kill Edos, smart-one :'( It was proven by Edo-Itachi having to be saved by Sasuke when he was being attacked by Edo-Kabuto.

lol listen here smart-one.kabuto was going to take back control of itachi body that why sasuke stopped him and since when was kabuto ''edo kabuto''
 

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I feel Naruto can win.
Plot no jutsu shall always protect him also.
 

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Please don't troll. Itachi wasn't there to fight Jiraiya during their encounter and could have easily amatersu'd him when he was standing 8 feet away instead of the wall.
Also, the databook gives Itachi a superior score in everything bar strength and stamina, which doesn't matter much when all of Itachi's fights go so quickly and the databook uses base scores.
Susanno would boost Itachi's strength score just as sage mode boosts Jiraiya's. Itachi is taking Jiraiiya med-diff, but that isn't what this thread is about.

Itachi is beating SM mode Naruto. Also, Itachi does belong on top ten lists.

I'm not trolling sir, you are. I didn't see edo in the title, but jiraiya can beat itachi. I've said so mutliple times, and i've said how. YOU stop trolling
 

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SM Naruto counters MS with KA crow.......therefore SM Naruto wins since Itachi wouldn't want to fight after that.

But seriously Naruto's lack of fuinjutsu here is a massive problem and would be why he is defeated, since you know Itachi just respawns.
 

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I'm not trolling sir, you are. I didn't see edo in the title, but jiraiya can beat itachi. I've said so mutliple times, and i've said how. YOU stop trolling

how many troll thread do you have then
 

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i stopped at the first reason.....its not that it was powerful its that it was enough to hit his elbow in a way that it would align the angles and hit that kage right in his weak spot....why couldnt you see that..now a powerful rasengan is the ones used on kurama
 

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I'm not trolling sir, you are. I didn't see edo in the title, but jiraiya can beat itachi. I've said so mutliple times, and i've said how. YOU stop trolling

Ok. First, I'm not a sir. Second, please tell me how Jiraiya beats Itachi if he apparently does and you've stated it a multitude of times.

The fact that when Kabuto was pairing up Edos into teams who were near on the same level of each other already tells us who would win this. He paired Itachi up w/ Nagato. :/ That's considered Itachi's equal in this manga. (Healthy Nagato obliterates all though, bar Madara and Hashirama)

Itachi as a 14 year old defeated Jiraiya's equal (and I would even go as far as to say that Orochimaru is superior to him, he took on both Tsunade and Jiraiya w/ minimal help from Kabuto when his arms were sealed) in a matter of seconds, even when Orochimaru was the one who initiated the fight. Itachi didn't even have to look at him. He just activated his 3-tomoe sharingan and Oro was stuck in his paralysis jutsu. Orochimaru even has intel on Itachi and stated that he believed it would be impossible to take over his body because he is so strong. But Orochimaru believes that Jiraiya is weaker than himself. :/

Zetsu was confirmed to give the Akatsuki intel on various shinobi. That means that Itachi and all the other members have intel on Jiraiya. That's not helping Jiraiya's side, especially when he knows nearly nothing about Itachi.

In pt 1, it was pretty much confirmed that Itachi only made that comment about Jiraiya being stronger just to get out of Konoha as quickly as possible. He wasn't there for Naruto, only so that Danzo would hear about his appearance and remember not to lay a finger on Sasuke. Itachi's comment was ridiculous. "Even if we both go against him, and call back-up, we'll still lose no matter what." So if Itachi called Nagato and all the other Akatsuki members, then Jiraiya would beat them all singlehandedly? No. When Kisame met Jiriaiya, he essentially told him that he was disappointed. Jiraiya didn't live up to his hype at all. Jiraiya whipped out his most powerful jutsu, the frog stomach right off the bat and told them that they were toast. What happened? Itachi casually broke them out w/ amaterasu. Jiraiya was very surprised and didn't even know what it was. It took him 4 minutes to seal it with the scrolls. If Itachi were serious at that moment, he would have just turned around and looked at Jiraiya who was standing 8 feet away from him and completely covered him in flames. Jiraiya would cease to exist today if that happened. Itachi is overkill for Jiraiya. Itachi and Kisame are way way way overkill for Jiraiya.

Jiraiya is the one who taught Naruto how to break genjutsu during the 2.5 year time skip. Guess what happened when Naruto encountered Itachi right after the 2.5 year timeskip? Itachi just pointed at him and cast him in a genjutsu, w/o even using his sharingan. Then, when he tried to use the technique Jiraiya taught him to break it, it didn't work. Jiraiya isn't the best at breaking genjutsus by any means, it's even one of his main weaknesses. He has to rely on the toads, but what happens if Itachi genjutsus the toads?

What happens if Itachi amaterasus his hands? Amaterasu forms immediately and is spawned upon the target. How is Jiraiya going to seal it away if he has it on his hands?

How is Jiraiya going to hit Itachi, when Itachi is stated to be faster than him in the databooks? In fact, Itachi is better than Jiraiya in every category, excluding strength and stamina. Itachi's stamina is crappy due to his illness, but his fights usually go very quickly, so that doesn't ever matter. The longest fight he had was w/ Kabuto and that lasted 14 minutes minus dialogue and flashbacks. Itachi's strength score is actually higher when you factor his susanno and compare it to Jiraiya's incomplete sage mode. (Databook gives characters stats in their base mode.)

How is Jiraiya going to capture Itachi in the frog song genjutsu, when that requires a ton of prep time and he would initially have to hide from Itachi's view? Itachi isn't going to let that happen, he always monitors and analyzes his opponent and anticipates their next move.

How is Jiraiya going to capture Itachi in a swamp jutsu, when Itachi could most likely use his crow summons' and stay out of range or even move around in the area they are fighting to avoid it?

Jiraiya looked directly into Itachi's eyes several times during their encounter in pt1. How would Jiraiya get out of Tsukiyomi, when no one has ever broken it on their own and Itachi stated that it is impossible to break and that the only person to have a fraction of a chance at breaking it is an Uchiha w/ MS sharingan? (Obito implied that Itachi let Sasuke break his Tsukiyomi.)

Jiraiya is cool and all, but he is in no way beating Itachi. At worst, Itachi is taking Jiraiya med-diff.

ot: SM Naruto is strong, but he cannot seal away Edo Itachi. That and the only counter he has against Itachi's genjutsu are ma and pa, but what happens if Itachi decides to genjutsu them? I respect your thread though.:)
 

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1. The 3rd Raikage - who has one of the strongest offense attacks in Naruto (Spear Hand) easily foderized the defense of hundreds of Ninja's using all their power combined. He's also very fast, yet he got destroyed by SM Naruto without any problem with the Rasengan attack that made him stab his own heart. What does this prove aside from showing that SM Naruto is very strong? That he's a genius when it comes to fighting - ALMOST as smart as Itachi; enough to match him.


2. Senpō: Chōōdama Rasen Tarengan seriously damaged the Kyuubi, being the main source to his defeat. Seriously, based on this evidence,
Senpō: Chōōdama Rasen Tarengan would vaporize the Rib-cage Susano'o, easily destroy the second-level Susano'o, struggle with the third level Susano'o, and also barely destroy the 4th level Susano'o with the help of the Rasen-Shuriken (which defeated the Kyuubi).

3. Naruto could easily sense Amaterasu and Genjutsu thanks to his Sage-Mode sensing abilities.

4. The gigantic frog summonings like Gamabunta would be a big threat to Susano'o, especially if they were attacking Itachi while Naruto was using Chou Oodama Rasengan at the same time.

5. Naruto's Shadow Clone Jutsu > Itachi's Shadow Clone Jutsu - not only they're stronger, but he can make thousands of clones compared to Itachi.



And of course, there are other reasons as to why Naruto would defeat Edo Itachi but I don't think it's worth mentioning them since they're minor.


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Power wise ...sure. skill wise? Nah bruh
 

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funny though, how whenever they met naruto pretty much got soloed without breaking a sweat.
 

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Ok. First, I'm not a sir. Second, please tell me how Jiraiya beats Itachi if he apparently does and you've stated it a multitude of times.

The fact that when Kabuto was pairing up Edos into teams who were near on the same level of each other already tells us who would win this. He paired Itachi up w/ Nagato. :/ That's considered Itachi's equal in this manga. (Healthy Nagato obliterates all though, bar Madara and Hashirama)

Itachi as a 14 year old defeated Jiraiya's equal (and I would even go as far as to say that Orochimaru is superior to him, he took on both Tsunade and Jiraiya w/ minimal help from Kabuto when his arms were sealed) in a matter of seconds, even when Orochimaru was the one who initiated the fight. Itachi didn't even have to look at him. He just activated his 3-tomoe sharingan and Oro was stuck in his paralysis jutsu. Orochimaru even has intel on Itachi and stated that he believed it would be impossible to take over his body because he is so strong. But Orochimaru believes that Jiraiya is weaker than himself. :/

Zetsu was confirmed to give the Akatsuki intel on various shinobi. That means that Itachi and all the other members have intel on Jiraiya. That's not helping Jiraiya's side, especially when he knows nearly nothing about Itachi.

In pt 1, it was pretty much confirmed that Itachi only made that comment about Jiraiya being stronger just to get out of Konoha as quickly as possible. He wasn't there for Naruto, only so that Danzo would hear about his appearance and remember not to lay a finger on Sasuke. Itachi's comment was ridiculous. "Even if we both go against him, and call back-up, we'll still lose no matter what." So if Itachi called Nagato and all the other Akatsuki members, then Jiraiya would beat them all singlehandedly? No. When Kisame met Jiriaiya, he essentially told him that he was disappointed. Jiraiya didn't live up to his hype at all. Jiraiya whipped out his most powerful jutsu, the frog stomach right off the bat and told them that they were toast. What happened? Itachi casually broke them out w/ amaterasu. Jiraiya was very surprised and didn't even know what it was. It took him 4 minutes to seal it with the scrolls. If Itachi were serious at that moment, he would have just turned around and looked at Jiraiya who was standing 8 feet away from him and completely covered him in flames. Jiraiya would cease to exist today if that happened. Itachi is overkill for Jiraiya. Itachi and Kisame are way way way overkill for Jiraiya.

Jiraiya is the one who taught Naruto how to break genjutsu during the 2.5 year time skip. Guess what happened when Naruto encountered Itachi right after the 2.5 year timeskip? Itachi just pointed at him and cast him in a genjutsu, w/o even using his sharingan. Then, when he tried to use the technique Jiraiya taught him to break it, it didn't work. Jiraiya isn't the best at breaking genjutsus by any means, it's even one of his main weaknesses. He has to rely on the toads, but what happens if Itachi genjutsus the toads?

What happens if Itachi amaterasus his hands? Amaterasu forms immediately and is spawned upon the target. How is Jiraiya going to seal it away if he has it on his hands?

How is Jiraiya going to hit Itachi, when Itachi is stated to be faster than him in the databooks? In fact, Itachi is better than Jiraiya in every category, excluding strength and stamina. Itachi's stamina is crappy due to his illness, but his fights usually go very quickly, so that doesn't ever matter. The longest fight he had was w/ Kabuto and that lasted 14 minutes minus dialogue and flashbacks. Itachi's strength score is actually higher when you factor his susanno and compare it to Jiraiya's incomplete sage mode. (Databook gives characters stats in their base mode.)

How is Jiraiya going to capture Itachi in the frog song genjutsu, when that requires a ton of prep time and he would initially have to hide from Itachi's view? Itachi isn't going to let that happen, he always monitors and analyzes his opponent and anticipates their next move.

How is Jiraiya going to capture Itachi in a swamp jutsu, when Itachi could most likely use his crow summons' and stay out of range or even move around in the area they are fighting to avoid it?

Jiraiya looked directly into Itachi's eyes several times during their encounter in pt1. How would Jiraiya get out of Tsukiyomi, when no one has ever broken it on their own and Itachi stated that it is impossible to break and that the only person to have a fraction of a chance at breaking it is an Uchiha w/ MS sharingan? (Obito implied that Itachi let Sasuke break his Tsukiyomi.)

Jiraiya is cool and all, but he is in no way beating Itachi. At worst, Itachi is taking Jiraiya med-diff.

ot: SM Naruto is strong, but he cannot seal away Edo Itachi. That and the only counter he has against Itachi's genjutsu are ma and pa, but what happens if Itachi decides to genjutsu them? I respect your thread though.:)

basically this^^ gj
 
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