SM Naruto and EMS Sasuke vs Killer Bee and Raikages.

[KidGamer65]

How? They are exactly the same.

Naruto's V1 cloak is Bijuu chakra which covers the user and has the form of the Bijuu:

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It's exactly the same with Bee and the others:

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Same with V2:

Naruto:

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Bee:

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I see absolute no difference. Sorry.

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I was most definitely talking about Naruto and Kurama's cloak, not the V1 or V2 cloaks that Jinchuuriki use.

I revised the chapters when naruto gave the SA the Cloak ,I didn't see anything say that naruto's original chakra made the cloak stronger ,read chapters 616, 617

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Naruto transforms the chakra to fit the user, creating a much better result.

Before he got Kyuubi's chakra and Kyuubi's chakra alone.

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When Naruto got involved with his chakra and his ability to modify it, it became much stronger than before.

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[LuckyMan]

Gyuki reacting doesn't equal the Raikage being able to dodge.

It's not about chakra level or the armor. It's about capability. There's no evidence that the third can produce a Shunshin on par with his son's. The fact he has no feats doesn't help your case either.

Gyuki reacting means the Third can react. Gyuki own body weight and the fact it can't shunshin makes it slower than him. What I'm saying is that the Third would be able to put his arms across his body like

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faster than Gyuki put his tails up in that same fashion. Third should certainly be able to shunshin off to another location in the time Gyuki put his tails up to block the flames. Sasuke was outrunning Amaterasu for a bit with just foot speed so it shouldn't be a problem.

If he were to poor as much chakra into his armor as V2 A, it would increase his reaction time and reflexes further. If he can react faster he'll move faster.

Naruto fired it off from a distance equal to the Shinju's root. He'll be attacking the third head on here, not to mention Hashirama is faster than the 3rd by far going by feats. Raikage was evaded and counter attacked by SM Naruto, who was knocked flat by Madara's Shunshin, and Hashirama rivals Madara in physical areas.

If hes attacking head on he'll getting caught in his own attacks AoE. Raikage was not moving at his maximum speed when he attacked Naruto and Kabuto can't use Edos to the best of their ability if he doesn't know what they're capable of.

Madara didn't survive it. They just couldn't beat him with the jutsu because he's a zombie. 3rd Raikage canonically got his armor stripped off and took very minor damage from a regular Rasen Shuriken. It doesn't make sense to say he'll tank one many times larger.

If Madara was shredded to pieces from an attack like that he wouldn't have regenerated so quickly.

 

[KidGamer65]

Gyuki reacting means the Third can react.

We've established that.

Gyuki own body weight and the fact it can't shunshin makes it slower than him. What I'm saying is that the Third would be able to put his arms across his body like

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faster than Gyuki put his tails up in that same fashion.

Agreed.

Third should certainly be able to shunshin off to another location in the time Gyuki put his tails up to block the flames

No. Zero proof that he's fast enough to dodge Amaterasu. Considering his speed feats only put on him V1 Ay's level, we can forget about him evading it when Ay needed V2.

Sasuke was outrunning Amaterasu for a bit with just foot speed so it shouldn't be a problem.

Itachi:

1. Didn't want to hit him directly, he was aiming for his wing.

2. Didn't' spawn it on Sasuke, he spawned it near him and then chased him with it.

Ay needed V2 to dodge Amaterasu. Raikage isn't doing it unless he can match Ay's speed, and there's no evidence he can.

If he were to poor as much chakra into his armor as V2 A, it would increase his reaction time and reflexes further. If he can react faster he'll move faster.

If he were? More like if he can. Naruto has a buttload of chakra, but that doesn't mean he can pour however much he wants into it for his Rasengan. Minato, Naruto, Jiraiya, and Kakashi all know Rasengan, yet Naruto makes the biggest Rasengan. Jiraiya needs Sage Mode to match the size, and the rest haven't shown that they are capable of doing so. Having the skillset and the chakra to do something isn't proof that they can do something.

If hes attacking head on he'll getting caught in his own attacks AoE.

KCM Naruto did the same thing and didn't get caught. If SM Naruto does that, he won't get caught. The FRS will carry the Raikage away and blow up. Then there's the fact that he can have a clone toss it.

Raikage was not moving at his maximum speed when he attacked Naruto and Kabuto can't use Edos to the best of their ability if he doesn't know what they're capable of.

If Kabuto didn't know what they were capable of, then he wouldn't have known to use Nukite or Raiton Armor.

If Madara was shredded to pieces from an attack like that he wouldn't have regenerated so quickly.

You don't know how much time passed in between those panels. Either way, Raikage took a normal sized FRS with little damage, so a larger one wrecks him. What happened with Madara isn't relevant.

 

[wael reda]

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I was most definitely talking about Naruto and Kurama's cloak, not the V1 or V2 cloaks that Jinchuuriki use.

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Naruto transforms the chakra to fit the user, creating a much better result.

Before he got Kyuubi's chakra and Kyuubi's chakra alone.

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When Naruto got involved with his chakra and his ability to modify it, it became much stronger than before.

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Kuarma said naruto can transform the chakra to fit everyone ,he didn't say anything about being much better ,when kuarma gave kakashi the chakra by himself ,it wasn't big enough to be a v1 cloak ,so kuarma 's boost was weaker because it was much less chakra ,that isn't the story here because we saw bee using v1 and even v2

 

[KidGamer65]

Kuarma said naruto can transform the chakra to fit everyone ,he didn't say anything about being much better ,when kuarma gave kakashi the chakra by himself ,it wasn't big enough to be a v1 cloak ,so kuarma 's boost was weaker because it was much less chakra ,that isn't the story here because we saw bee using v1 and even v2

Bold is literally something you just made up. It's only a cloak because of what Naruto did. Manga makes it pretty damn clear so I suggest we stop arguing against facts. Kurama gives Kakashi chakra, it only gives a 3x boost. Naruto gives chakra to Kakashi, it's a boost far above 3x.

Do the math. Lol. Not that complicated.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Just saying, EMS Sasuke's reactions are on KCM Naruto and KCM Minato's level.

He reacted faster than Minato using Hiriashin

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(using Shunshin no less) and was shown to have similar reactions to KCM Naruto

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(look at the top 3 left panels). He was also shown to have at least similar combat speed to KCM Naruto [

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Ill admit, I downplayed him before (I thought KCM Naruto could blitz him) but his speed is of a similar realm to the previously mentioned two. His Shunshin is just slower in raw speed and his combat speed should be just a touch slower than theirs. Although his reactions are on par with them, feats speak for themselves.​

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