SM Naruto and EMS Sasuke vs Killer Bee and Raikages.

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Location- Gaara vs Kimmimaro

Distance- 100m

Mindset- IC

Condition this is 3rd Raikage and Ei only. Sasuke can use his EMS feats up until Obito became a JJ so no standing Susanoo. Killer bee can only use V2.

Who wins mutha*****
 

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The only issue is Ay due to his speed, but even then he's not really an issue since he can't harm Sasuke through Susanoo. 3rd Raikage and Killer B have the most power, but they are too slow to evade Sasuke's attacks, so whether or not they can bust Susanoo open is irrelevant. A 100m distance means that Ay isn't blitzing anyone here, and Sasuke has Susanoo and Naruto has multiple clones to prevent any blitz attempts. If Ay tries to blitz Naruto, he simply hits a clone and gets hit by the other clones or the real Naruto the moment he stops to hit the clone.

Enton can easily burn grass and spread, so setting up Kirin shouldn't be too hard. That takes out Killer B. 3rd Raikage gets lit on fire an FRS+Enton combo or Naruto kills him with Chou FRS.
 

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@KG, not sure whether Kirin would finish Killerbee off in V2. Itachi survived Kirin with an incomplete stage of Susanoo. Naruto survived being buried under mountains (Chibaku Tensei), something I think Susanoo would not manage. Not a fact, just a random thought.
 

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The only issue is Ay due to his speed, but even then he's not really an issue since he can't harm Sasuke through Susanoo. 3rd Raikage and Killer B have the most power, but they are too slow to evade Sasuke's attacks, so whether or not they can bust Susanoo open is irrelevant. A 100m distance means that Ay isn't blitzing anyone here, and Sasuke has Susanoo and Naruto has multiple clones to prevent any blitz attempts. If Ay tries to blitz Naruto, he simply hits a clone and gets hit by the other clones or the real Naruto the moment he stops to hit the clone.

Enton can easily burn grass and spread, so setting up Kirin shouldn't be too hard. That takes out Killer B. 3rd Raikage gets lit on fire an FRS+Enton combo or Naruto kills him with Chou FRS.
agree with you but how is 3 Raikage too slow for Sasuke attacks when his speed is on pair with 4 Raikage
 

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@KG, not sure whether Kirin would finish Killerbee off in V2. Itachi survived Kirin with an incomplete stage of Susanoo. Naruto survived being buried under mountains (Chibaku Tensei), something I think Susanoo would not manage. Not a fact, just a random thought.
Chibaku Tensei doesn't do as much damage to the user equivalent to it's size, otherwise we'd be saying Gedo Mazo can tank Moons. Not to mention stronger forms of Kurama have been damaged by things weaker than a Mountain Range dwarfing size of rock, so it wouldn't make sense for KN6 to tank this.

agree with you but how is 3 Raikage too slow for Sasuke attacks when his speed is on pair with 4 Raikage
It's not though. His speed feats cap out around V1 Ay's level.
 

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The only issue is Ay due to his speed, but even then he's not really an issue since he can't harm Sasuke through Susanoo. 3rd Raikage and Killer B have the most power, but they are too slow to evade Sasuke's attacks, so whether or not they can bust Susanoo open is irrelevant. A 100m distance means that Ay isn't blitzing anyone here, and Sasuke has Susanoo and Naruto has multiple clones to prevent any blitz attempts. If Ay tries to blitz Naruto, he simply hits a clone and gets hit by the other clones or the real Naruto the moment he stops to hit the clone.

Enton can easily burn grass and spread, so setting up Kirin shouldn't be too hard. That takes out Killer B. 3rd Raikage gets lit on fire an FRS+Enton combo or Naruto kills him with Chou FRS.
FRS and Arrow were shown to move at the same .

Third dodged it twice consecutively just before it hit him and was blinded by the sun for first one. V2 Bee should at least be on V1 A level so FRS and Arrows shouldn't be a problem for them to dodge. Amaterasu shouldn't be a problem either, its hitting none of them.
 

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The only issue is Ay due to his speed, but even then he's not really an issue since he can't harm Sasuke through Susanoo. 3rd Raikage and Killer B have the most power, but they are too slow to evade Sasuke's attacks, so whether or not they can bust Susanoo open is irrelevant. A 100m distance means that Ay isn't blitzing anyone here, and Sasuke has Susanoo and Naruto has multiple clones to prevent any blitz attempts. If Ay tries to blitz Naruto, he simply hits a clone and gets hit by the other clones or the real Naruto the moment he stops to hit the clone.

Enton can easily burn grass and spread, so setting up Kirin shouldn't be too hard. That takes out Killer B. 3rd Raikage gets lit on fire an FRS+Enton combo or Naruto kills him with Chou FRS.
But can't bee attack assume from under ground with chakra arms!!?
Also I think v2 bee can most likely tank kirin considering that v1 cloak tanked similar attack from the jiubi which in order to be tanked madara needed the v2 Susano.
 
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FRS and Arrow were shown to move at the same .

Third dodged it twice consecutively just before it hit him and was blinded by the sun for first one. V2 Bee should at least be on V1 A level so FRS and Arrows shouldn't be a problem for them to dodge. Amaterasu shouldn't be a problem either, its hitting none of them.
Point with the arrow, but not Amaterasu. Only Ay has the speed feat that'd let him evade. The rest obviously don't, though B can seamlessly counter it, Ay's father can't.

Though FRS can be used in close range and at long range. 3rd Raikage danced around a normal sized FRS. A Chou Oodama moves at the same speed but it's larger with a far larger AoE, thus much harder to evade, and if Naruto doesn't use it from a distance equal to the length of the Shinju like he did in canon, he'd catch the Raikage and he'd die since a weaker FRS removed his cloak and put superficial damage on his body.



But can't bee attack assume from under ground with chakra arms!!?
He can try, but staying on Aoda or staying on his hawk prevent that. Not to mention if he digs his hands into the ground, Sasuke would expect an underground attack.

Also I think v2 bee can most likely tank kirin considering that v1 cloak tanked similar attack from the jiubi which in order to be tanked madara needed the v2 Susano.
That attack was spread out, this one is focused. Big difference. Very big difference. It made a giant crater, yet killed nobody. That's because it was spread out. Kirin already obliterated a Susanoo on par with the one Madara used to tank Tenpenchii.
 

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That attack was spread out, this one is focused. Big difference. Very big difference. It made a giant crater, yet killed nobody. That's because it was spread out. Kirin already obliterated a Susanoo on par with the one Madara used to tank Tenpenchii.
How do you know that the version of Susan kirin obliterated is v2 ,not lower ,not higher !!?
The coming explanation is based on that
Kirin obliterated v2 susano but didnt kill itachi meaning that is the strongest version of Susano it can fully destroy ,any stronger version will tank it with heavy or moderate damage at worst
Madara using v2 Susano to tank something v1 cloak tanks ,makes me think that v1 cloak is equal to v2 susano in terms of durability ,with common sense v2 cloak is more durable than v1 cloak meaning v2 cloak is more durable than v2 susano meaning it can most likely tank kirin with moderate damage to the cloak at most ,what do you think !!?
 
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How do you know that the version of Susan kirin obliterated is v2 ,not lower ,not higher !!?
1. Itachi would use his strongest thing available.

2. Ribcage isn't enough, so it was V2 or above.

3. V4 wasn't used because Yata Mirror wasn't used.

So it was V3, or at the very least V2.

The coming explanation is based on that
Kirin obliterated v2 susano but didnt kill itachi meaning that is the strongest version of Susano it can fully destroy ,any stronger version will tank it with heavy or moderate damage at worst
Uh-huh.

Madara using v2 Susano to tank something v1 cloak tanks ,makes me think that v1 cloak is equal to v2 susano in terms of durability
Makes no sense. Sasuke's Rikudo PS and Naruto's BM Avatar can both tank Bijuu Dama w/ no damage. Are they equal? Lol, no.


with common sense v2 cloak is more durable than v1 cloak meaning v2 cloak is more durable than v2 susano meaning it can most likely tank kirin with moderate damage to the cloak at most ,what do you think !!?
Except they are being protected by a cloak using Naruto+Kurama's chakra, which is>>>Hachibi's Chakra. So there's no evidence that Naruto's cloak is less durable than Killer B's cloak, but let's assume that it is. V2 Susanoo is above both so it doesn't really matter.
 

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Except they are being protected by a cloak using Naruto+Kurama's chakra, which is>>>Hachibi's Chakra. So there's no evidence that Naruto's cloak is less durable than Killer B's cloak, but let's assume that it is. V2 Susanoo is above both so it doesn't really matter.
I think that doesn't matter, the V2 cloaks have the same properties no matter which Bijuu uses it. Because in this form, there is no difference. The user compresses Bijuuchakra into a human form, though Kyuubi has more Chakra, the Chakra compressed isn't the Bijuu's full Chakra but only a piece of it. Plus, Bee can use this form with 8 tails. Naruto was only shown to use up to 6 tails. As you saw, even the three tails tanked Raikiri effortlessly. Also don't forget, that Naruto has only 50% of Kyuubi.

3. V4 wasn't used because Yata Mirror wasn't used.
V3 can use the Yata mirror as well. Seems like it was V2.
 

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1. Itachi would use his strongest thing available
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Not necesserily ,or he would have used the completed one
2. Ribcage isn't enough, so it was V2 or above.
Why ribcage isn't enough ? Based on what?
3. V4 wasn't used because Yata Mirror wasn't used.
Fine
So it was V3, or at the very least V2.
V3 can use Yata like strict said

Makes no sense. Sasuke's Rikudo PS and Naruto's BM Avatar can both tank Bijuu Dama w/ no damage. Are they equal? Lol, no.
Point but I meant madara didn't use the ribcage for a reason



Except they are being protected by a cloak using Naruto+Kurama's chakra, which is>>>Hachibi's Chakra. So there's no evidence that Naruto's cloak is less durable than Killer B's cloak, but let's assume that it is. V2 Susanoo is above both so it doesn't really matter.
Naruto's chakra is irrelevant ,v2 cloak is stronger than v1 cloak ,that can be deduced by comparing the chakra density ,I am not sure
 

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Point with the arrow, but not Amaterasu. Only Ay has the speed feat that'd let him evade. The rest obviously don't, though B can seamlessly counter it, Ay's father can't.
I disagree. Gykui reacted fast enough to block Amaterasu with his tails. Third should have no problem reacting and moving out the way. Plus since we know his chakra is at least on his sons level (I think he has more though) and theres nothing fundamentally different about their Raiton Armors besides the amount of chakra poured into it, he could surge more chakra and reach a higher speed.

Though FRS can be used in close range and at long range. 3rd Raikage danced around a normal sized FRS. A Chou Oodama moves at the same speed but it's larger with a far larger AoE, thus much harder to evade, and if Naruto doesn't use it from a distance equal to the length of the Shinju like he did in canon, he'd catch the Raikage and he'd die since a weaker FRS removed his cloak and put superficial damage on his body.
The Chou Oodama one couldn't be that great if Hashirama escaped its AoE. Madara also survived it and his chakra was suppressed and he couldn't move. If he survived it then Sandaime can too.

Base Bee can shunshin over the other side of a mountain so I don't think escaping its AoE would be hard anyway.
 

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I disagree. Gykui reacted fast enough to block Amaterasu with his tails. Third should have no problem reacting and moving out the way.
Gyuki reacting doesn't equal the Raikage being able to dodge.

Plus since we know his chakra is at least on his sons level (I think he has more though) and theres nothing fundamentally different about their Raiton Armors besides the amount of chakra poured into it, he could surge more chakra and reach a higher speed
It's not about chakra level or the armor. It's about capability. There's no evidence that the third can produce a Shunshin on par with his son's. The fact he has no feats doesn't help your case either.







The Chou Oodama one couldn't be that great if Hashirama escaped its AoE. Madara also survived it and his chakra was suppressed and he couldn't move. If he survived it then Sandaime can too.
Base Bee can shunshin over the other side of a mountain so I don't think escaping its AoE would be hard anyway.[/QUOTE]

Naruto fired it off from a distance equal to the Shinju's root. He'll be attacking the third head on here, not to mention Hashirama is faster than the 3rd by far going by feats. Raikage was evaded and counter attacked by SM Naruto, who was knocked flat by Madara's Shunshin, and Hashirama rivals Madara in physical areas.

Madara didn't survive it. They just couldn't beat him with the jutsu because he's a zombie. 3rd Raikage canonically got his armor stripped off and took very minor damage from a regular Rasen Shuriken. It doesn't make sense to say he'll tank one many times larger.

Not necesserily ,or he would have used the completed one
Lol? What? If an attack is coming to you, you use the strongest defense you can possibly use.

Why ribcage isn't enough ? Based on what?
Based on Tsunade, Ay and Onoki being able to destroy Madara's. Based on Ay chopping through Sasuke's, which should be comparable to Itachi's.



V3 can use Yata like strict said
Read above. Besides. Naruto's cloak isn't more durable than any Susanoo above a Ribcage, so it doesn't matter.


Point but I meant madara didn't use the ribcage for a reason
All that means is that Naruto's Cloak>Ribcage Susanoo, which is irrelevant cause Ribcage can't tank Kirin either.




Naruto's chakra is irrelevant ,
Lol. Wrong. Naruto is the reason the cloak is so strong. I suggest you read the Manga chapters where they explained the cloak.


v2 cloak is stronger than v1 cloak
Except the SA's cloaks that Naruto made aren't V1 cloaks. So I'm not sure why this is relevant.

I think that doesn't matter, the V2 cloaks have the same properties no matter which Bijuu uses it. Because in this form, there is no difference. The user compresses Bijuuchakra into a human form, though Kyuubi has more Chakra, the Chakra compressed isn't the Bijuu's full Chakra but only a piece of it. Plus, Bee can use this form with 8 tails. Naruto was only shown to use up to 6 tails. As you saw, even the three tails tanked Raikiri effortlessly. Also don't forget, that Naruto has only 50% of Kyuubi.
Except Naruto and Kurama's cloak is completely different than the V1 or V2 cloaks that Jinchuuriki use. Formed a different way, made of different chakra. So all V2 cloaks being the same doesn't really matter.

V3 can use the Yata mirror as well. Seems like it was V2.
It can, but it's naturally formed with V4. V3 isn't formed with any weapons as seen when Itachi used it on Kabuto and Nagato in the War Arc. V3 was wielding Yata because Itachi's Susanoo dropped a level, and since it's not a Susanoo weapon, it didn't vanish.

Then there's the fact that Ay and Onoki destroyed Madara's V2, and they can't hit as hard as Kirin hits.
 

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Lol? What? If an attack is coming to you, you use the strongest defense you can possibly use.



Based on Tsunade, Ay and Onoki being able to destroy Madara's. Based on Ay chopping through Sasuke's, which should be comparable to Itachi's.





Read above. Besides. Naruto's cloak isn't more durable than any Susanoo above a Ribcage, so it doesn't matter.



All that means is that Naruto's Cloak>Ribcage Susanoo, which is irrelevant cause Ribcage can't tank Kirin either.





Lol. Wrong. Naruto is the reason the cloak is so strong. I suggest you read the Manga chapters where they explained the cloak.




Except the SA's cloaks that Naruto made aren't V1 cloaks. So I'm not sure why this is relevant.



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Okey v1 clock isn't necessarily as durable as v2 Susano ,no proof for that
I revised the chapters when naruto gave the SA the Cloak ,I didn't see anything say that naruto's original chakra made the cloak stronger ,read chapters 616, 617
 

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Except Naruto and Kurama's cloak is completely different than the V1 or V2 cloaks that Jinchuuriki use. Formed a different way, made of different chakra. So all V2 cloaks being the same doesn't really matter.



It can, but it's naturally formed with V4. V3 isn't formed with any weapons as seen when Itachi used it on Kabuto and Nagato in the War Arc. V3 was wielding Yata because Itachi's Susanoo dropped a level, and since it's not a Susanoo weapon, it didn't vanish.

Then there's the fact that Ay and Onoki destroyed Madara's V2, and they can't hit as hard as Kirin hits.
How? They are exactly the same.

Naruto's V1 cloak is Bijuu chakra which covers the user and has the form of the Bijuu:

It's exactly the same with Bee and the others:

Same with V2:

Naruto:

Bee:

I see absolute no difference. Sorry.

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Naruto and Kurama's cloak is completely different
 
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