SM>MS, KCM=EMS,BM>EMS,BSM>EMS,RSM=Rinnegan

[Devauzamaki]

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SM Naruto Odama rasenshuriken

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Look at the size of the wood dragon? its small right? now look at a susanoo compared to it.

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And thats MS peak.

KCM=EMS

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BM fought 6 bijuu at once and was stronger. Complete susanoo cant do that

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BSM is an amp and sasuke couldnt even fathom its power.

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RSM=Rinnegan

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This is FACT

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[Ricardo]

:elmo:

 

[InfiniteMugen]

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[BlacLord™]

"couldn't fathom it's power" - they were portrayed as equal, you'd have to be as dim as a 0.1W lightbulb not to see that.

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Taka MS = SM
KCM = Full MS
EMS = BSM

 

[Ansatsuken]

Madara's final Susanoo is bigger than Sasuke's legs Susanoo.

We already know that Sasuke's full body Susanoo is same size as half Kurama. And there inside your scan it shows Madara's final Susanoo is comparable in size to full Kurama and that just only half body.

We never saw Sasuke create final Susanoo but we already saw his PS in which I think smaller than Madara's(around 50% smaller).

If I make an assumption, it goes -> Sasuke's full body Susanoo is same size as Jin Kurama and thats mean his Susanoo is same size as all Bijuu. Here I say his final Susanoo will be bigger than half Kurama. Similar to Madara's situation. 20% bigger I suggest.

Straight to my objective - Madara final Susanoo can handle most of Bijuus with some difficulty. Its a fact that Jinless Bijuu is weaker than a Bijuu with Jin(Kurama and Gyuuki). Thus the great power of MS/EMS user = Susanoo have a chance to stalemate a Jin or take a win depends on their strategy. And put aside a factor such as the chosen one or MC.

 

[Meekz89]

"couldn't fathom it's power" - they were portrayed as equal, you'd have to be as dim as a 0.1W lightbulb not to see that.

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Taka MS = SM
KCM = Full MS
EMS = BSM

I disagree, at different points in the manga one was stronger than the other. In the end they are equal but KCM has to many advantages over MS or should I say MS has to many restrictions. EMS is not equal to BSM, it equal to just BM, when sage mode is added that puts Naruto on a different level.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Bsm=ems

 

[Dizzldot]

I personally, from what the manga and anime shows , believe that BMS>EMS at least sasuke's. Not wanking but they were never portrayed as equals, sasuke said "don't compare me to you" or something when he needed senjutsu but then needed juugo to do it for him. Then power wise, I think Naruto In BSM is way more destructive then anything sasuke had shown, his massive tab would obliterate sasuke's susanoo. When sasuke got the rinnegan thats when he "caught up" imo being able to absorb chakra which was his biggest downfall against naruto who has vast amount in comparison, also I don't believe sasuke would be able to defend from 6 tailed beast balls like naruto did flicking them away, or be able to stop the massive one, or defend from the beam of the ten tails like naruto and kurama did with just the tails

 

[take it easy]

War arc SM> any MS version
EMS= BSM with half Kurama
RSM= Rinnegan with 8.5 bijuu. They never were portrayed equals without pnj on Sasukes side.

 

[Dizzldot]

War arc SM> any MS version
EMS= BSM with half Kurama
RSM= Rinnegan with 8.5 bijuu. They never were portrayed equals without pnj on Sasukes side.

PNJ? whats that

 

[Ricardo]

So by people's logic the villain, required senjutsu to be beaten. One was a sage, the other wasn't because the author wanted them to make them body and the other the eyes that's why Sasuke's CM was removed, Sasuke used Juugo to deal actual damage to the villain. By people's logic, this makes the sage stronger. By this logic, even alive EMS Madara <<<<<<<<<<< BSM Naruto. :elmo:

 

[Dizzldot]

So by people's logic the villain, required senjutsu to be beaten. One was a sage, the other wasn't because the author wanted them to make them body and the other the eyes that's why Sasuke's CM was removed, Sasuke used Juugo to deal actual damage to the villain. By people's logic, this makes the sage stronger. By this logic, even alive EMS Madara <<<<<<<<<<< BSM Naruto. :elmo:

No thats not the logic Im using, BUT I do believe ALIVE madara without wood style and senjutsu wouldn't have the easiest time against naruto

 

[Detonator99]

So by people's logic the villain, required senjutsu to be beaten. One was a sage, the other wasn't because the author wanted them to make them body and the other the eyes that's why Sasuke's CM was removed, Sasuke used Juugo to deal actual damage to the villain. By people's logic, this makes the sage stronger. By this logic, even alive EMS Madara <<<<<<<<<<< BSM Naruto. :elmo:

Sasuke was using juugos and naruto chakra cloack uttahere:

 

[Ricardo]

Sasuke was using juugos and naruto chakra cloack uttahere:

Just like Naruto was using Kurama's chakra :sdo:

 

[Ansatsuken]

PNJ? whats that

Plot no Jutsu

 

[Retsu]

Hard to deny since sasuke tried to use bijuu to fight naruto who still held his own, BSM stomps EMS as it counters everything sauce has to offer. amaterasu was his best shot and Naruto lol diffs that.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

Hard to deny since sasuke tried to use bijuu to fight naruto who still held his own, BSM stomps EMS as it counters everything sauce has to offer. amaterasu was his best shot and Naruto lol diffs that.

What's the counter to PS?

 

[Detonator99]

Just like Naruto was using Kurama's chakra :sdo:

????

Are you seriously going to take that route, lol

At least nauto also has uzumaki genes and sage chakra to enhance kurama.

 

[Dizzldot]

What's the counter to PS?

Naruto's avatar, If sasuke covered the kyuubi in a so called PS which isn't confirmed then it would be about the same size, Still holding out to say that counts as he can use PS

 

[Wparker6804]

Depends on how good they are with those respective abilities. Sage Mode is only as good as the user (*cough Hashirama*) & the MS destroys your eyesight significantly in a short time if you're not careful (*cough Sasuke*).