[VS] SM Minato durability contest

[Brother Numpsay]

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Physical energies which are combined with spiritual energies mould chakra.

What are you showing me that makes it say Life force=/=Phyical energy? Nothing.

And btw, vitality is basically life force; synonymously.

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, so there's no evidence for your stance and tonnes of evidence for mine.

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Read a better translation (viz anime follows viz translation). You keep trying to find context attempt to separate two words of the same meaning.

 

[Apêx1]

What are you showing me that makes it say Life force=/=Phyical energy? Nothing.

What the hell? Life force was never implied to mould chakra, ever. Only Physical energy, yet here you are telling me Naruto moulds chakra with his life force. Second scan shows physical energy being in all of your cells, are you trying to tell me your life force exists within your cells? Lol. You have yet to prove anything at all.

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Read a better translation (viz anime follows viz translation). You keep trying to find context attempt to separate two words of the same meaning.

Dude.. I sincerely hope you did not think I would watch a 30+ min video. And no, VIZ anime is worthless, it does not follow manga VIZ translations at all. So that goes right out the window, and you're back to nothing supporting any of your arguments at all. KG pretty much summed it up, I don't understand what you are grasping at at this point.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What the hell? Life force was never implied to mould chakra, ever. Only Physical energy, yet here you are telling me Naruto moulds chakra with his life force. Second scan shows physical energy being in all of your cells, are you trying to tell me your life force exists within your cells? Lol. You have yet to prove anything at all.

What in the world are you saying. There's no such thing as Life force and Physical energy being different. They are literally the same definition. It doesn't matter if the explanation uses life force into the context or physical energy. You get the same context.

Please tell me what life force means

and please tell me what physical energy means.

@Bold, whats so funny thats exactly how it is, as they dont mean anything different then the physical energy. Every cell is in your body and being used is organic. Anything organic has a life force or you can say physical energy.

Dude.. I sincerely hope you did not think I would watch a 30+ min video. And no, VIZ anime is worthless, it does not follow manga VIZ translations at all. So that goes right out the window, and you're back to nothing supporting any of your arguments at all. KG pretty much summed it up, I don't understand what you are grasping at at this point.

Why do you need to watch 30 min as 30 min doesn't use to explain six paths ability in this fight. You act like you dont know the scenes as its the same scene in the manga (510) where you got your translation page/source. aS YOU CAN EASILY skip to the scene for the subs.

The moment you stated the same company giving as official translating for both anime and manga is rubbish is the moment should have stop replying to you. As its clear that you and KG are the ones being so stubborn here, that your not seeing it. I give KG a viz clear up[

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] to clear up that in either translation you life force = your physical entity is no different meaning or context, so it doesn't matter in what context and translation use BUT replies: "Haha it doesnt say Life force in this context so im still right" (paraphrase). And as for you ignoring Viz translation like its going to have a different meaning in the manga:

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No context explains that lifeforce =/= physical energy. You can't have one without the other.

 

[Apêx1]

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Where exactly is the proof of Physical energy being=life force? The burden of proof remains on you my friend, because you are making claims and then supporting them. That's not how it works, you make a claim and then prove that claim. You do not make a claim and then expect said person to make an argument as to why you're wrong. And no, VIZ anime is not the same translation as VIZ manga, meaning it's not the canonical translation regardless of its producers name.

 

[KidGamer65]

^ Lol, right. 4-5 posts later and this guy has not one shred of evidence. He's only showing scans where they state "physical energy" and then trying to equate physical energy and life force, even though the manga has NEVER done such a thing.

 

[Apêx1]

^ Lol, right. 4-5 posts later and this guy has not one shred of evidence. He's only showing scans where they state "physical energy" and then trying to equate physical energy and life force, even though the manga has NEVER done such a thing.

Lmao, he should've stopped during his argument with you, you had already made it clear that there's no connection between the two whatsoever. I thought feeding him scans would make it more obvious, but apparently not.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Where exactly is the proof of Physical energy being=life force? The burden of proof remains on you my friend, because you are making claims and then supporting them. That's not how it works, you make a claim and then prove that claim. You do not make a claim and then expect said person to make an argument as to why you're wrong. And no, VIZ anime is not the same translation as VIZ manga, meaning it's not the canonical translation regardless of its producers name.

Everything post here is prove. Theres NO separate context that life force and physical energy being different, is what you and KG is not getting.

Again the the prove is: NO CONTEXT states the different between life force and physical energy.

So since there is no context that states the difference you have to take these two definition BY definition.

Life force: Things that are mix up to create an organism/living.

Physical energy: principle forming part of living to energy. Having you cells create energy, is what you post from sakura.

In order to use physical energy you need some type of life force to built the energy.

 

[Benjamin King]

Since when surviving a kick is classified as durability?

 

[Apêx1]

Everything post here is prove. Theres NO separate context that life force and physical energy being different, is what you and KG is not getting.

Again the the prove is: NO CONTEXT states the different between life force and physical energy.

So since there is no context that states the difference you have to take these two definition BY definition.

Life force: Things that are mix up to create an organism/living.

Physical energy: principle forming part of living to energy. Having you cells create energy, is what you post from sakura.

In order to use physical energy you need some type of life force to built the energy.

So because nothing in the manga explicitly stated that Naruto has more hair on his ass than Sasuke, he indubitably doesn't? Not how debating works dude. And by definition they are still not the same. I don't understand how physical energy can be your life force, that makes no sense whatsoever. Does this actually make sense when you think about it in your head? Because it genuinely has little to no relationship at all definition wise.

@bold wot
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@red if you need life force to "build" the physical energy then they are obviously not the same. A car's tires cannot be the entirety of the car at the same time as they are being its constituents.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

So because nothing in the manga explicitly stated that Naruto has more hair on his ass than Sasuke, he indubitably doesn't? Not how debating works dude. And by definition they are still not the same. I don't understand how physical energy can be your life force, that makes no sense whatsoever. Does this actually make sense when you think about it in your head? Because it genuinely has little to no relationship at all definition wise.

@bold wot
@underlined wot
@red if you need life force to "build" the physical energy then they are obviously not the same. A car's tires cannot be the entirety of the car at the same time as they are being its constituents.

How is it not making sense in your own head? You laughing at me when your the one saying life force =/= cells when cells is part of an organism to be a living entity?

They are still the same as one needs the other to produce it. Once you use it all you can no longer produce the energy and you die.
Therefore you no longer have the life force, since your dead.

gtg

 

[Apêx1]

How is it not making sense in your own head? You laughing at me when your the one saying life force =/= cells when cells is part of an organism to be a living entity?

They are still the same as one needs the other to produce it. Once you use it all you can no longer produce the energy and you die.
Therefore you no longer have the life force, since your dead.

gtg

Your analogies are so damn flawed it's not even funny.. By that logic anything that's part of a species can be his life force, even his nuts. Because after all, your nuts are a part of you, and surely the life force would be off the charts for the likes of Ay since he's black (no racial discrimination intended, just a fact that black people have larger male parts noamsayian). Just showing you how retarded your logic is, because having cells does not equate to having life force. Cells being part of an organism to be a living entitiy is completely irrelevant, because for humans to be living entities they also need fat. Yet Kakuzu has no fat in his body since he's made of tendrils. Yet his life force is through the roof.

No, they are not interchangeable as is chakra to stamina. You have yet to prove that, you simply reiterating that point over and over again is just showing that you have no actual support to your reasoning. Say it a 100 times over and it still holds as much weight as it did on your first time; none.

 

[KidGamer65]

Again the the prove is: NO CONTEXT states the different between life force and physical energy.

Uh, that's clearly not how you debate. Absence of contradicting evidence isn't proof when there is nothing in the manga that would actually be used to support it as evidence.

 

[Variab0ssX]

Obito's chakra rods would end Minato regardless of any kind of duability. Only another Rinnegan user can cancel the effects of the rods so its gg.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Your analogies are so damn flawed it's not even funny.. By that logic anything that's part of a species can be his life force, even his nuts. Because after all, your nuts are a part of you, and surely the life force would be off the charts for the likes of Ay since he's black (no racial discrimination intended, just a fact that black people have larger male parts noamsayian). Just showing you how retarded your logic is, because having cells does not equate to having life force. Cells being part of an organism to be a living entitiy is completely irrelevant, because for humans to be living entities they also need fat. Yet Kakuzu has no fat in his body since he's made of tendrils. Yet his life force is through the roof.

No, they are not interchangeable as is chakra to stamina. You have yet to prove that, you simply reiterating that point over and over again is just showing that you have no actual support to your reasoning. Say it a 100 times over and it still holds as much weight as it did on your first time; none.

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Thats not even close to my analogy nor logic... I can't even..What???

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Uh, that's clearly not how you debate. Absence of contradicting evidence isn't proof when there is nothing in the manga that would actually be used to support it as evidence.

As my last reply in this discussion, elaborate.

What is contradicting evidence in my post?

 

[KidGamer65]

Never once said that you have contradicting evidence, I'm saying you have no evidence. You don't make a claim, and say that it's true when no evidence backs it up, especially when there is nothing that supports it to begin with.

 

[Taco King]

How can you take life force and chakra as they can't be in context together? When manga shows time and time again (Orochimaru, Hashirama, Kurama) that they make a difference? Natural energy is what is mix with Physical energy (life force) and your spiritual energy, ONLY to NATURALLY empower chakra, which you need physical and spiritual energy to tap into it.



In what feats is Doton superior to Muki Tensei?

Im trying to break this as simple as I can as there is no way you can attempt to say something you implying but Im somehow being stubborn about it.

How is it not making sense in your own head? You laughing at me when your the one saying life force =/= cells when cells is part of an organism to be a living entity?

They are still the same as one needs the other to produce it. Once you use it all you can no longer produce the energy and you die.
Therefore you no longer have the life force, since your dead.

gtg

This retard.

 

[Apêx1]

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Thats not even close to my analogy nor logic... I can't even..What???

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As my last reply in this discussion, elaborate.

What is contradicting evidence in my post?

Hahahah, I was showing you how retarded your logic is. It's funny because you genuinely think a species needing cells to survive means he species life force coming from its cells. Can you prove that? Nope, you made it up like the retard you are. I'm starting to think you are as subpar as Natanna. I know you are the type of debater to try and be innovative, but it seems that you are trying to be more and more retarded as this thread progresses.

 

[HWL]

Hey why isn't one of Hashirama's attack on this list as number 9? Are you ****ing underestimating Hashirama "Sexy Beast" Senju, well kid let me tell you. Minato gets absolutely wasted with Hashirama's wood, literally would just pierce his body and erase every cell he has from existence.

Hashirama4Lyfe

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Never once said that you have contradicting evidence, I'm saying you have no evidence. You don't make a claim, and say that it's true when no evidence backs it up, especially when there is nothing that supports it to begin with.

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You are refuting the evidence that is supporting my point/post. Thats not the same as actually not bringing anything at all to support myself.

Hahahah, I was showing you how retarded your logic is.

No thats just you adding your own interpretation to mislead/misrepresent my point, along with major, major, major reaching at its fullest. Not once did I ever thought about penises to get my point across. Nor is it a rational thought for you to think this concludes my point.

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Did she have to be specific to each and every cell located to get her point across? No, nor does it to my point either. The moment she stated: "the body energy(physical energy) that is in each of the billions of your cells" is the moment my point was made that AND proving it that this is a component that makes a person alive to use.

Then you attempt to reach again by pointing out Kakuzu (When Sasori would have been a better choice to reach), when his body violates the laws of nature. And yet was able to get his chakra network cut from FRS[

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It's funny because you genuinely think a species needing cells to survive means he species life force coming from its cells. Can you prove that?

Again reaching and not getting the point. If I were to lose my arm, since it has many cells as part of my body, does that mean I cant survive? No, you just lost something part of you as makes you considered a living person. You just have a problem not understanding what life force means.

So please tell me once again: What is life force? Because apparently we both have different definitions here.

And what is the difference between life force and body energy/physical?

Nope, you made it up like the retard you are. I'm starting to think you are as subpar as Natanna. I know you are the type of debater to try and be innovative, but it seems that you are trying to be more and more retarded as this thread progresses.

I was completely respectful to you even when I feel like lashing out. Imma let this insult slide, but can't say the same next time.

This retard.

This nobody.

 

[Djordje]

If we consider that JJ madara strenght is above Obito´s than Minato should tank all.

also I can see Minato in Sage mode tanking all of that