SM Jiraiya vs Edo Nagato

[Beans2]

Restriction: Deva Path and Edo Regen

 

[KidGamer65]

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Nagato still rapes.

 

[Beans2]

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Nagato still rapes.

How so

-Animal summons are fodder
-Human path is fodder
-Preta path is a betch but Jiraiya can overwhelm him with senjutsu like Naruto did or take him out with taijutsu
-Naraka path is fodder
-Asura path won't cause any problems that I can think of

 

[DrProof]

How so

-Animal summons are fodder
-Human path is fodder
-Preta path is a betch but Jiraiya can overwhelm him with senjutsu like Naruto did or take him out with taijutsu
-Naraka path is fodder
-Asura path won't cause any problems that I can think of

If you honestly believe ANY of the paths are fodder you're misinformed. Especially Animal Path.

 

[Xlad]

Nagato gives a harder stomp.

 

[AlphaMaleLion]

Pain already defeated SM Jiraiya without Deva path, Nagato would win a lot easier, and it was already easy enough with just 3 Paths of Pain

 

[Passerby]

Add Tsunade and Orochimaru, Restrict Deva Path and The Rinnegan user still neg stomps

 

[KidGamer65]

How so

-Animal summons are fodder
-Human path is fodder
-Preta path is a betch but Jiraiya can overwhelm him with senjutsu like Naruto did or take him out with taijutsu
-Naraka path is fodder
-Asura path won't cause any problems that I can think of

:lol Not sure if serious. First of all, this is Nagato. Not the individual paths. Second of all, Nagato easily counters anything in his arsenal.

-All his Ninjutsu are absorbed. The only way he's going to turn Nagato to stone is if he gets him to absorb chakra straight from him, which will never happen. Taijutsu against Nagato is a terrible idea since Asura Path canonically overpowered Jiraiya in the physical department. Nagato would rape him in CQC.

-Naraka Path lets Nagato recover if Jiraiya lands any blows, but he won't.

-Animal summons used in bulk are not fodder when Jiraiya would be hard pressed to take them all out when Nagato himself and the Cerberus are fighting.

-Yes. The path that lets Nagato use an explosive laser and a bunch of missiles won't cause any problems for the guy who doesn't even have the moveset to block or properly evade them....:lol.

Nagato rapes. Not sure if you tried to make this pain, but even if you did Jiraiya would still get eaten.

 

[Apêx1]

Nagato obviously demolishes him.

@KG, when did Asura overpower Jiraiya in genuine CQC? He slashed Jiraiya when he wasn't looking.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nagato obviously demolishes him.

@KG, when did Asura overpower Jiraiya in genuine CQC? He slashed Jiraiya when he wasn't looking.

He blindsided him, grabbed him and then ripped off his arm. Not genuine CQC, though it being a blindside attack pretty much negates the point anyway.

 

[Apêx1]

He blindsided him, grabbed him and then ripped off his arm. Not genuine CQC, though it being a blindside attack pretty much negates the point anyway.

Fair enough. Still, Nagato effortlessly overpowered Bee who overpowered v2 Ay who cracked Ribcage with pure strength. I think it's safe to say Asura is beyond Jiraiya's levels of strength as you were previously suggesting.

 

[KidGamer65]

Fair enough. Still, Nagato effortlessly overpowered Bee who overpowered v2 Ay who cracked Ribcage with pure strength. I think it's safe to say Asura is beyond Jiraiya's levels of strength as you were previously suggesting.

Oh yeah, Asura Path is definitely far stronger than Jiraiya physically. Then there's the fact that he can throw Animal Path from the outskirts of the village all the way to the center, or near it.

 

[Red Slayer]

Jiraiya lost against pain and nagato didnt really use deva path to take him down....

I thonk Nagato wins, but knowledge is big factor too, if Jiraiya has full knowledge and nagato none j man wins imo...

 

[Beans2]

:lol Not sure if serious. First of all, this is Nagato. Not the individual paths. Second of all, Nagato easily counters anything in his arsenal.

-All his Ninjutsu are absorbed. The only way he's going to turn Nagato to stone is if he gets him to absorb chakra straight from him, which will never happen. Taijutsu against Nagato is a terrible idea since Asura Path canonically overpowered Jiraiya in the physical department. Nagato would rape him in CQC.

-Naraka Path lets Nagato recover if Jiraiya lands any blows, but he won't.

-Animal summons used in bulk are not fodder when Jiraiya would be hard pressed to take them all out when Nagato himself and the Cerberus are fighting.

-Yes. The path that lets Nagato use an explosive laser and a bunch of missiles won't cause any problems for the guy who doesn't even have the moveset to block or properly evade them....:lol.

Nagato rapes. Not sure if you tried to make this pain, but even if you did Jiraiya would still get eaten.

No. My intention was never to make this pain. Pain is in fact more difficult to beat due to the paths being able to cover each other's backs and shared vision, and Naraka path can revive the other pains. Dealing with one opponent is easier than dealing with five.

Jiraiya doesn't have to get Nagato to absorb chakra directly from his body to turn him to stone. All his justu contains senjutsu chakra, and senjutsu chakra is what Preta absorbed from Naruto. The only difference is Nagato would turn to stone much faster if absorbed directly from his body since he's absorbing pure senjutsu instead of senjutsu mixed with regular chakra. Though this is besides the point, since Nagato has massive chakra reserves that can balance out the senjutsu chakra he absorbs. Not all of his attacks can be absorbed:

-Frog Call.
-Frog Song.
-Ma and Pa's tongues.
-Toad techniques (FCD, Toad Mouth Bind)
-Hair techniques.

Then there's the fact that Nagato has to deal with a toad army attacking him at the same time as Jiraiya. Without mobility, he can't evade their attacks so easily like Deva did. This is not a stomp at all.

Asura never overpowered Jiraiya, unless you are talking about the multiple blindsides. One against weakened one-armed base Jiraiya, and the other against Jiraiya who let his guard down thinking the battle was over.

Naraka path? So Jiraiya is going to sit there while Nagato summons the King of Hell and steps inside and gets repaired. Let's get real :lol. Chou Oodama Rasengan obliterates Jigokudo.

Animal summons are rather useless. Yomi Numa can be used to insta-sink any ground based summon like Cerberus. Sensory barrier detects chamaleon, so invisibility is useless. Three giant toads are more than enough to deal with the far weaker summons, so they don't provide any distractions to Jiraiya when his own summons can take them out. Shared vision has been

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in canon.

Asura missiles can be blocked by COR or dodged with shunshin.

Strategies Jiraiya can use to win:

-Frog Call paralyzes Nagato, then Gamabunta slices him in half with his sword or squashes him.
-Jiraiya stalls for time until Frog Song is completed.
-Toad Army overwhelms them. Legit don't see how Nagato deals with them, since he can't evade their attacks, the toads would shrug off Asura missiles, and he can't absorb them.

 

[BLAZE]

Nagato shits on him

 

[jdasprawler]

in a random encounter, nagato wins

 

[KidGamer65]

Jiraiya doesn't have to get Nagato to absorb chakra directly from his body to turn him to stone. All his justu contains senjutsu chakra, and senjutsu chakra is what Preta absorbed from Naruto. The only difference is Nagato would turn to stone much faster if absorbed directly from his body since he's absorbing pure senjutsu instead of senjutsu mixed with regular chakra. Though this is besides the point, since Nagato has massive chakra reserves that can balance out the senjutsu chakra he absorbs. Not all of his attacks can be absorbed:

-Frog Call.
-Frog Song.
-Ma and Pa's tongues.
-Toad techniques (FCD, Toad Mouth Bind)
-Hair techniques.

Well yeah, obviously I know that, but the only difference is because there is more chakra in Jiraiya's body than there is in his techniques. Has nothing to do with "pure Senjutsu" has there is no such thing. Senjutsu is Nature Energy and Chakra. That's what lies in the body and the techs of SM users.

Then there's the fact that Nagato has to deal with a toad army attacking him at the same time as Jiraiya. Without mobility, he can't evade their attacks so easily like Deva did. This is not a stomp at all.

Are you really using the Toad Army as a driving force in this argument? :lol

Asura never overpowered Jiraiya, unless you are talking about the multiple blindsides. One against weakened one-armed base Jiraiya, and the other against Jiraiya who let his guard down thinking the battle was over.

Yeah, he never did. But he can.

Naraka path? So Jiraiya is going to sit there while Nagato summons the King of Hell and steps inside and gets repaired. Let's get real :lol. Chou Oodama Rasengan obliterates Jigokudo.

What? First of all the King of Hell is summoned an inch away from the user. Jiraiya won't be able to do anything before Nagato steps inside, and once he steps inside he's spit back out and repaired. Jiraiya can foolishly rush at it with a Rasengan if he wants, but then Nagato just steps out, absorbs it and then kills him with Asura Path.

Animal summons are rather useless. Yomi Numa can be used to insta-sink any ground based summon like Cerberus. Sensory barrier detects chamaleon, so invisibility is useless. Three giant toads are more than enough to deal with the far weaker summons, so they don't provide any distractions to Jiraiya when his own summons can take them out. Shared vision has been

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in canon.

Not sure if I should take the last sentence seriously considering they needed to blind the other paths and then isolate one of them inside a Toads mouth for that to work. Unless Nagato gets trapped in a Toads mouth, this strategy isn't worth mentioning.

Asura missiles can be blocked by COR or dodged with shunshin.

Blocked by COR? No. The AoE of the missile and lasers far exceeds COR. If he holds it in front of him, he'd pretty much be asking to die a terrible death. Dodged by Shunshin? Sure, unless Nagato uses it from mid to close range. The Speed and the AoE spell Jiraiya's death. [

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Strategies Jiraiya can use to win:

-Frog Call paralyzes Nagato, then Gamabunta slices him in half with his sword or squashes him.

Or an Asura Limb forms and blows Gamabunta to smithereens. Or an animal summon (Bird) blocks for him.

-Jiraiya stalls for time until Frog Song is completed.

If only Nagato didn't obliterate him in less than 5 minutes.

-Toad Army overwhelms them. Legit don't see how Nagato deals with them, since he can't evade their attacks, the toads would shrug off Asura missiles, and he can't absorb them.

What in the actual......? Shrug off Asura Paths attacks?

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. Asura Path having the power to tear off a

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(his attacks themselves are far superior) is enough reason for me not to believe that the toads with zero durability feats "shrug" off these missiles. It's painfully obvious that you are downplaying Nagato's abilities here. Not to mention being unable to move himself around is irrelevant when:

-He can move around like he did in canon, with his chameleon. If Jiraiya tries to destroy it then Nagato can protect it.
-He has Asura Paths jet boosters.

Nagato rapes the whole toad army with a single missile barrage, and then he rapes Jiraiya.

 

[Silent Hero]

Does anyone know exactly how long frog song takes to execute? Is it really five minutes?

 

[Apêx1]

There's also this

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[TRE MERCER]

Counter for Sound genjutsu? Didn't think so.​