Ghost in the Shell
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Um. How does Jiraiya lose against Tsunade and Sakura? Not that I think the latter two are bad... just that their fighting styles are too straight forward... Tbh I think Jiraiya wins in base...
SM Jiraiya gauntlet
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Tsunade alone destroys Jiraiya in base. Jiraiya desperately needs SM in order to have even chances against her.
Tsunade can push SM Jiraiya pretty far, and might even beat him by herself, as her fighting style is pretty straight forward. Jiraiya would never have the time to use frog song against her, nor activate SM if it weren't already activated at the beginning of the fight.
Summons mean absolutely nothing against someone with insane strength.
Adding Sakura to the fight just ensures Tsunade's win.
EliteKakashi
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They'd just claim that Tsunade would be strong enough to break out of it, regardless of how ridiculous that is/sounds.
It's dumbfounding how few people realize how powerful Jiraiya, especially in SM, really is.
Tsunade was only the second-best option for Hokage, she got the job because Jiraiya turned it down.
Raging Lion's Mane tears Tsunade apart, Chou Oodama Rasengan obliterates her, Food Cart Destroyer Crushes her, Goemon melts her, Toad Mouth Bind digests her, Fukusaku's tongue cuts her in half, Shima poisons her, Frog Call paralyzes her, Yomi Numa drowns her, and Frog Song puts her to sleep.
This is literally a low diff win in Jiraiya's favor.
Ghost in the Shell
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Ghost in the Shell
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- It should be possible to keep the battle at mid range. Summoning Bunta already gives Jiraiya the advantage as he could hop back to keep distance manageable for the latter. A blitz isn't happening due to the risk of getting caught in Yomi Numa or one of Jiraiya's attacks.
- If Wild Lion's Mane managed to crush Pain's chameleon summon, it'll easily crush Hidan. He's immortal, sure, but useless without his body intact.
- I said in a previous post that I'm not serious about debating and, therefore, won't be going through the trouble of linking manga scans. However, most people should know how ridiculously large Toad Oil Flame Bullet is. Atsugai by itself isn't doing shit, and the fuuton/katon at worst will get stalemated.
- Oil plus other attacks could be used to distract Kakuzu in order to trap him in Yomi Numa. The swamp could be countered by raiton, but it'd just give Jiraiya time to prep a potentially devastating blow.
- Doubt Domu would leave Kakuzu completely unscathed.
- Impressive feat, sure, but Kakashi thought that Kakuzu was already dead. Hence, he was completely focused on Hidan and not Kakuzu. I think Kakashi would have reacted (due to the sharingan, ofc) had he known that before the fact. It's also worth mentioning that Kakashi was keeping up with Guy in the 6th Gate, who is clearly superior to Kakuzu in speed.
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-You can argue that, ok. Doesn't matter though because Hidan is capable of keeping up with 3T Kakashi. Obviously he'll dodge Wild Lion's Mane since it lacks any speed feats to put it above Hidan speed.
-I know how big it is. However, It will take a lot more chakra to utilise than a simple Futon+Katon combo like this one.
-Yomi Numa is countered by his Raiton, so Yomi Numa is useless. No devastating blow since either Domu tanks it or Katon+FUton counter it.
-It would, definitely.
-How is that relevant? If he's running full speed then he's running full speed. Whether he knew Kakuzu was alive or not isn't any argument, because he couldn't run any faster than that. Yet Kakuzu still caught up after he was on the ground, stopped before him and landed a kick. Kakashi keeping up with 6th Gate Gai is not true, Lol. 6th Gate Gai and Kakashi were fighting alongside eath other, but Gai never actually used full speed next to Kakashi to compare.
Forbidden Technique
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If Samehada absorbs enough Senjutsu that it outweights it's own chakra, it's going to turn into stone. So that's why I'm saying it could be dangerous if Kisame isn't careful. Kisame can go take refuge underground, but he has to reserfice eventually in order to attack Jiraiya. Also, the longer he stays underground, the more of a chance he gives Ma and Pa to prep Toad Chant. Really don't see how any of Kisames suitons are going to crush Jiraiyas boss summons when they can leap and avoid nearly anything Kisame throws at them...
...Uh, nah lol. Two complete different things, and I don't even see the 3rd Raikage exerting shockwaves either. The Raikage still has human flesh... It's just harder then most. Acid will ignore his skins hardness, and erode it like it would to anyone else.
Ghost in the Shell
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- Yeah, an exhausted and injured Kakashi... Tbh any of Jiraiya's attacks take Hidan out of this battle as he is a non factor. Especially at mid/long range.
- Jiraiya's chakra levels are among the highest in the series excluding god level shinobi, so I fail to see how that would be a problem.
- We disagree, then. I don't think Domu tanks the giant katon either. In fact, while Kakuzu is stuck in Yomi Numa, Jiraiya could have Bunta overflow the swamp with oil, and a simple Katon: Endan sends him to a burning inferno. If you don't like that, then Jiraiya could also use shadow clones to blitz Kakuzu while he's breaking out of the swamp and destroy him with Twin Rasengan.
- What? I'm not arguing wether or not Kakuzu was running at full speed, I'm arguing that Kakashi could have reacted to his full speed if he knew that Kakuzu hadn't died yet, and kept his attention on him. I don't think that feat puts Kakuzu above Kakashi in speed, really. A better speed feat during that match would be Kakashi (while injured and tired) dodging a close range Fuuton: Atsugai while holding off Hidan, escaping with relatively minimal damage, and coming back to save Shikamaru and Chōji's asses from getting killed by Gian at the nick of time.
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