SM Jiraiya gauntlet

[EliteKakashi]

Well, I was thinking that the technique could work similar to how Jiraiya used it against Pain. He used one of his shadow clones reverse summon the cerebrus into the eso****us of a toad.

I don't ever recall that happening. You have a chapter/page as a source?

 

[Zexion~]

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Explosion.

Lol.......so Kakuzu is going to tank a Chou Oodama Rasengan with what? His body? He needs Domu. Yura was killed in one shot of an Oodama Rasengan, and that's from KN0 Naruto. SM Jiraiya's Chou Oodama Rasengan>>>that. Senjutsu and the fact it's much larger. If Preta Path had taken that directly, what do you think would have happened? He would have been obliterated. A Small Senpo Rasengan carved a hole in Juubito's back.

That explosion isn't an exploson? The rasengan is still in-tact so its the force behind the attack that sort of tailwinds causing cracks in the earth

Yes and notice how yura's body was perfectly in tact? it caused major internal damage bro

Obviously the Choud Odama Rasengan would physically F him up a bit but it won't be fatal and nothing Kakuzu cant recover with his threads my man

Can't show you for obvious reasons, as it hasn't happened yet. It's just common sense. If a Rasengan 3x the size of your body hits you, you are obviously going to have a damaged body...unless you think it's all internal...which it isn't. Mangled probably isn't the right word though.

Any other damage is from being slammed with such a force and the whip lash etc. Also what you scanned me was a normal rasengan, which people have been hit by wasn't Obito hit in that scan? All that happened was his zetsu arm was mush lml

For a second. Lol.

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Bruh first off why do you think Chouji was yelling, and long enough for Chouji to exclaim for Kakashi and its still going in this scan

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Not to mention it was long enough for the wind heart to return back to Kakuzu, unless your giving the hearts incredible speed in which he can traverse that in one second

Except it's not going to do anything, because the pressure of the air doesn't go up when Atsugai is used. The jutsu is made of p



1. Didn't happen in the manga, to ninja, when they fought Kakuzu. Why would the same happen here? Pretty sure I already told you this.

2. That's if the air pressure increases, Atsugai doesn't raise air pressure, the wind of the jutsu is at an extremely high pressure. Big difference.

There's a reason chouji was screaming for Kakashi no one communicated during the jutsu so you can't say it didn't happen and its common logic so unless something disproves it from the manga it should hold up as well

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"Air pressure Raised to the extreme"

 

[KidGamer65]

That explosion isn't an exploson? The rasengan is still in-tact so its the force behind the attack that sort of tailwinds causing cracks in the earth

There's clearly no Rasengan in Minato's hand after he hits Obito, nor is there a Rasengan at the moment where BM Naruto and Minato go flying back from the explosion.

Yes and notice how yura's body was perfectly in tact? it caused major internal damage bro

No reason for his body to be messed up, he was hit by a ball sized Rasengan. Smaller and weaker. Kakuzu is getting hit by a Rasengan 3x his size. Bigger and stronger, by far.

Unless you think what Juubito took was internal damage (which it wasn't) then no, he's going to take external and internal damage.

Obviously the Choud Odama Rasengan would physically F him up a bit but it won't be fatal and nothing Kakuzu cant recover with his threads my man

Nah, all of his good durability feats come from Domu. 99% sure he isn't taking this without protecting himself and living. Whatever heart that's in his body is definitely getting killed.

Any other damage is from being slammed with such a force and the whip lash etc. Also what you scanned me was a normal rasengan, which people have been hit by wasn't Obito hit in that scan? All that happened was his zetsu arm was mush lml

If it were blunt force...but it isn't. It explodes.

That's to show the explosion, not to mention I posted a giant Rasengan. The power is irrelevant.

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Bruh first off why do you think Chouji was yelling, and long enough for Chouji to exclaim for Kakashi and its still going in this scan

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Not to mention it was long enough for the wind heart to return back to Kakuzu, unless your giving the hearts incredible speed in which he can traverse that in one second

Choji screaming for Kakashi was because he thought Kakashi got caught in the jutsu, not because of the air pressure's adverse effects...also, screaming a name only takes a second. Nor is it going on in that scan. That is the dust cloud after the attack. Atsugai's Wiind=/=Dust.

Also, what even shows that the distance was massive to begin with?

There's a reason chouji was screaming for Kakashi no one communicated during the jutsu so you can't say it didn't happen and its common logic so unless something disproves it from the manga it should hold up as well

Considering it doesn't increase the air pressure, I can say for sure that it didn't happen.

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"Air pressure Raised to the extreme"

Of the attack. Not the air. "When it impacts, the air pressure, raised to the extreme, knocks everything down in it's path" Unless the air is knocking someone down, they are obviously talking about Kakuzu's Jutsu.

 

[Apêx1]

He is, but all of Kisames advantages are neutralized in front of SM Jiraiya and his toad summons. Plus, Kisame would need to be extremely cautious with how much Senjutsu he allows Samehada to absorb. I just don't see it playing well at the end for Kisame. High-diff win though.

How does 3rd Raikage counter Frog Song once he gets within medium range of SM Jiraiya though? That should be enough to paralyze him. The paralysis should force the Raikage to drop his raiton shroud, lowering his defenses, in a similar fashion as Kabutos White Rage did to Itachi and Sasuke. From there,

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will wrap around the Raikage and begin to dissolve him with acidic slime that ignores durability. If this doesn't kill the 3rd, it should hinder him significantly. Still don't see how he wins against someone with the versatility and firepower that SM Jiraiya possesses.

Goemon and Chou Odama Rasengan were absorbed consecutively. I doubt oil will be comparing in quantity of chakra, but that's just me. Half the jutsu are countered with Kisame going underground as well. Can't see how significant toads will be, they get get crushed by Suiton's, I'd say, especially if Kisame's clones are sending sharks into those Suiton's without the toad's knowledge.

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to push away the Sound Genjutsu. Temari did so with Futon, don't see why shockwaves wouldn't. Don't see Shima's acid melting through Raikage's body either, it's rather featless on someone durable.

 

[Selan]

This gauntlet is isn't necessarily round by round, just post who you think SM Jiraiya wins against and/or loses to.

Location: Grassy field
Starting distance: 50 meters
Intel: Manga

- SM Jiraiya vs. Tsunade and Sakura (can't use more than 10% of Katsuyu) = Jiraiya wins
- SM Jiraiya vs. Kakuzu and Hidan = Jiraiya wins
- SM Jiraiya vs. Hebi = Jiraiya wins
- SM Jiraiya vs. 6th Gate Guy and Lee (Lee has Asakujaku) = Gai stomps Jiraiya
- SM Jiraiya vs. Orochimaru w/ 2 mid level Edos = Jiraiya wins more times than not
- SM Jiraiya vs. MS Kakashi = Kakashi definitely outperforms Jiraiya
- SM Jiraiya vs. Tobirama Senju w/ 2 fodder Edo = Tobirama definitely outperforms Jiraiya
- SM Jiraiya vs. Gengetsu Hōzuki = It can go either way
- SM Jiraiya vs. Third Raikage = Raikage probably wins
- SM Jiraiya vs. Kisame = It can go either way
- SM Jiraiya vs. MS Tobi w/ Izanagi = Tobi definitely wins

 

[Apêx1]

Is that so? What's your idea of how a fight plays out, then?

Edit: I meant Toad Mouth Bind, not Gourd Prison.

Toad Mouth Bind still requires the masks to be next to the caster (Jiraiya) who can't fly. So I disagree, again.

Kakuzu is faster and outplays Jiraiya in CQC terribly with Domu. CQC is obviously a terrible idea for Jiraiya since Kakuzu can fire off attacks with his masks. I'd also say it's ideal for Kakuzu to keep his masks in his body rather than releasing them, which would almost guarantee victory if he's fighting alongside Hidan who will serve as a distraction.

-Hidan fights Jiraiya (who can't kill him) while Gian is fires at 4 locations, Bunta, Jiraiya, the opposite side of where Hidan is fighting Jiraiya, and above Bunta. This would serve as an inescapable field of Gian, which would definitely end up lethally damaging Bunta, since Gian=Raikiri.

-Futon+Katon is not being countered by anything imo. Atsugai also remains uncountered, Jiraiya can only amplify its power.

-Genjutsu is countered with Futon [

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] as Temari countered Genjutsu in the past with Futon.

-Domu tanks any jutsu Jiraiya attempts, assuming it will hit given the fact that Kakuzu's speed is vastly superior to Kakashi's.

 

[Beans2]

- SM Jiraiya vs. Tsunade and Sakura (can't use more than 10% of Katsuyu)

Jiraiya wins low-mid difficulty.

- SM Jiraiya vs. Kakuzu and Hidan

Jiraiya solos in Base.

- SM Jiraiya vs. Hebi

Jiraiya low diff.

- SM Jiraiya vs. 6th Gate Guy and Lee (Lee has Asakujaku)

Jiraiya loses. Against Gai alone he could win, but he can't deal with two speedsters and consistently avoid their attacks, and if he switches to the offensive against one the other lands a hit on him.

- SM Jiraiya vs. Orochimaru w/ 2 mid level Edos

Jiraiya low-mid difficulty. Edos are non factor.

- SM Jiraiya vs. MS Kakashi

Kamui GG.

- SM Jiraiya vs. Tobirama Senju w/ 2 fodder Edo

Tobirama low difficulty.

- SM Jiraiya vs. Gengetsu Hōzuki

Jiraiya mid difficulty.

- SM Jiraiya vs. Third Raikage

Jiraiya wins high difficulty. Shima's dust cloud puts up a smokescreen, then he summons Gamabunta who hops away from the Raikage until Ma and Pa are done prepping Frog Song.

- SM Jiraiya vs. Kisame

I'm inclined to say Kisame would win, high difficulty.

- SM Jiraiya vs. MS Tobi w/ Izanagi

Jiraiya loses low difficulty.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Toad Mouth Bind still requires the masks to be next to the caster (Jiraiya) who can't fly. So I disagree, again.

Kakuzu is faster and outplays Jiraiya in CQC terribly with Domu. CQC is obviously a terrible idea for Jiraiya since Kakuzu can fire off attacks with his masks. I'd also say it's ideal for Kakuzu to keep his masks in his body rather than releasing them, which would almost guarantee victory if he's fighting alongside Hidan who will serve as a distraction.

-Hidan fights Jiraiya (who can't kill him) while Gian is fires at 4 locations, Bunta, Jiraiya, the opposite side of where Hidan is fighting Jiraiya, and above Bunta. This would serve as an inescapable field of Gian, which would definitely end up lethally damaging Bunta, since Gian=Raikiri.

-Futon+Katon is not being countered by anything imo. Atsugai also remains uncountered, Jiraiya can only amplify its power.

-Genjutsu is countered with Futon [

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] as Temari countered Genjutsu in the past with Futon.

-Domu tanks any jutsu Jiraiya attempts, assuming it will hit given the fact that Kakuzu's speed is vastly superior to Kakashi's.

This battle wouldn't be close quarters since the starting distance is 50 meters. Jiraiya excels at mid range battles, so he'd obviously make sure to keep space between them. More than one boss summon can be used to pressure the zombie duo.

- I'll cede on my point about Toad Mouth Bind. Jiraiya would have to lure the masks somehow, which I doubt would happen
- Hidan isn't even good enough as a distraction against someone of Jiraiya's tier. Wild Lion's Mane crushes him.
- Actually, fuuton serves amplify Jiraiya's katon as well. Katon/Fuuton combo is counteracted by Katon: Gamayu Endan.
- Shadow clones can be made to combat the masks if Kakuzu releases them. Gamayudan coats any mask from his body in oil, followed up by Katon: Endan, which incinerates them. Food Cart Destoyer can also be used here.

Edit: How is Kakuzu faster than Kakashi? Also, keeping the masks hidden in his body would save Jiraiya the trouble of having to destroy them individually. I don't think Domu would tank being hit by oil enhanced katons, especially if Kakuzu's body gets coated

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

I don't ever recall that happening. You have a chapter/page as a source?

Errr, I think you could just watch Jiraiya vs. Pain or read the chapters that Pain fights Jiraiya in. I post on this site on my phone, and I'm not overly serious about debating so linking manga scans would be a drag for me. I'm pretty sure he did so, though.

 

[ARGUS]

- SM Jiraiya vs. Tsunade and Sakura (can't use more than 10% of Katsuyu)

Jiraiya wins this high diff

- SM Jiraiya vs. Kakuzu and Hidan

Jiraiya wins this mid/high diff

- SM Jiraiya vs. Hebi

Jiraiya wins this

- SM Jiraiya vs. 6th Gate Guy and Lee (Lee has Asakujaku)

Guy and Lee win this mid diff

- SM Jiraiya vs. Orochimaru w/ 2 mid level Edos

Jiraiya wins high diff

- SM Jiraiya vs. MS Kakashi

Kakashi wins this mid difff

- SM Jiraiya vs. Tobirama Senju w/ 2 fodder Edo

Tobirama wins mid diff

- SM Jiraiya vs. Gengetsu Hōzuki

Could go either way, with jiraiya winning more times than not

- SM Jiraiya vs. Third Raikage

Third Raikage wins mid diff

- SM Jiraiya vs. Kisame

Jiraiya wins high diff

- SM Jiraiya vs. MS Tobi w/ Izanagi

Tobi wins low diff

Edit: Orochimaru has Sakon/Ukon and Kidomaru as edos. Not necessesarily fodder, but not really high level either.[/QUOTE]

 

[ARGUS]

Jiraiya wins high difficulty. Shima's dust cloud puts up a smokescreen, then he summons Gamabunta who hops away from the Raikage until Ma and Pa are done prepping Frog Song.

Gamabunta is not doing shit to the raikage, let alone stall him long enough to prep frog song, he gets raped by any hell stab above 3
so Third Raikage mid diffs him

 

[Beans2]

Gamabunta is not doing shit to the raikage, let alone stall him long enough to prep frog song, he gets raped by any hell stab above 3
so Third Raikage mid diffs him

Then you didn't read my post because the only thing Gamabunta is going to be doing is running away from the raikage.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Errr, I think you could just watch Jiraiya vs. Pain or read the chapters that Pain fights Jiraiya in. I post on this site on my phone, and I'm not overly serious about debating so linking manga scans would be a drag for me. I'm pretty sure he did so, though.

Checked narutowiki, it appears the technique you're talking about is anime-only/non-canon.

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[Apêx1]

This battle wouldn't be close quarters since the starting distance is 50 meters. Jiraiya excels at mid range battles, so he'd obviously make sure to keep space between them. More than one boss summon can be used to pressure the zombie duo.

- I'll cede on my point about Toad Mouth Bind. Jiraiya would have to lure the masks somehow, which I doubt would happen
- Hidan isn't even good enough as a distraction against someone of Jiraiya's tier. Wild Lion's Mane crushes him.
- Actually, fuuton serves amplify Jiraiya's katon as well. Katon/Fuuton combo is counteracted by Katon: Gamayu Endan.
- Shadow clones can be made to combat the masks if Kakuzu releases them. Gamayudan coats any mask from his body in oil, followed up by Katon: Endan, which incinerates them. Food Cart Destoyer can also be used here.

Edit: How is Kakuzu faster than Kakashi? Also, keeping the masks hidden in his body would save Jiraiya the trouble of having to destroy them individually. I don't think Domu would tank being hit by oil enhanced katons, especially if Kakuzu's body gets coated

-Won't be possible against 2 people

-Agree
-Hidan is indeed a good distraction, because he's immortal. Wild Lion's Mane is not doing shit, let alone catching someone of his speed.
-It will be infused into Kakuzu's Katon, so by then it's not amplifying Jiraiya's Katon as well since it's already been exchanged for heat. Will be far hotter and more powerful than Jiraiya's.
-No need to release them though. Kakuzu easily dodges oil.
-Food cart destroyer is useless, Domu easily tanks.

He's far faster.

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. In case you didn't know, with Raikiri Kakashi's speed is at its maximum, hence sharingan is a necessity for its usage. Kakuzu then goes in front of Kakashi while running with Raikiri, stops in front of him, and kicks Kakashi [

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]. Clear speed difference.

 

[KingHashirama]

He ain't even getting past number 1.. Gets destroyed Low-diff in scenario 1.

EDIT: Oh never mind, x-x didn't notice it being not round by round.

He can beat the bolded

SM Jiraiya vs. Tsunade and Sakura (can't use more than 10% of Katsuyu)
- SM Jiraiya vs. Kakuzu and Hidan
- SM Jiraiya vs. Hebi
- SM Jiraiya vs. 6th Gate Guy and Lee (Lee has Asakujaku)
- SM Jiraiya vs. Orochimaru w/ 2 mid level Edos
- SM Jiraiya vs. MS Kakashi
- SM Jiraiya vs. Tobirama Senju w/ 2 fodder Edo
- SM Jiraiya vs. Gengetsu Hōzuki
- SM Jiraiya vs. Third Raikage (Only maybe, not 100% win here)
- SM Jiraiya vs. Kisame
- SM Jiraiya vs. MS Tobi w/ Izanagi (only with intel)

 

[EliteKakashi]

He ain't even getting past number 1.. Gets destroyed Low-diff in scenario 1.

EDIT: Oh never mind, x-x didn't notice it being not round by round.

He can beat the bolded

SM Jiraiya vs. Tsunade and Sakura (can't use more than 10% of Katsuyu)
- SM Jiraiya vs. Kakuzu and Hidan
- SM Jiraiya vs. Hebi
- SM Jiraiya vs. 6th Gate Guy and Lee (Lee has Asakujaku)
- SM Jiraiya vs. Orochimaru w/ 2 mid level Edos
- SM Jiraiya vs. MS Kakashi
- SM Jiraiya vs. Tobirama Senju w/ 2 fodder Edo
- SM Jiraiya vs. Gengetsu Hōzuki
- SM Jiraiya vs. Third Raikage (Only maybe, not 100% win here)
- SM Jiraiya vs. Kisame
- SM Jiraiya vs. MS Tobi w/ Izanagi (only with intel)

You think he loses to Tsunade and Sakura but have him beating Guy and Lee(both in 6th gate to start), the third Raikage and Tobi?

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[KingHashirama]

You think he loses to Tsunade and Sakura but have him beating Guy and Lee(both in 6th gate to start), the third Raikage and Tobi?

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And you think hes gonna beat, someone who admit inferiority to in combat, + someone who is stronger than that person......

Stop joking yourself..

And Tsunade and Sakura destroy 6th gate lee and 6th gate gai.. rofl, they ain't even on Sanin level boy.

 

[EliteKakashi]

And you think hes gonna beat, someone who admit inferiority to in combat, + someone who is stronger than that person......

Stop joking yourself..

And Tsunade and Sakura destroy 6th gate lee and 6th gate gai.. rofl, they ain't even on Sanin level boy.

So am I supposed to just assume that when a character says they're weaker or stronger than someone, they're 100% correct? Hiruzen said he was going to defeat Orochimaru, Hashirama and Tobirama, but I don't think anyone on here is going to argue that being the case.

Jiraiya has full intel on Tsunade's(and in turn, Sakura's) abilities. Let's assume for a second that he IS worried that he's not able to compete with them in hand to hand(although SM users, including Jiraiya, have similar super strength(as well as enhanced speed)), what's stopping him from summoning Bunta and Ken to buy time and just go ahead and end it with Gama Rinsho, who neither Tsunade or Sakura have any kind of answer for?

 

[KingHashirama]

So am I supposed to just assume that when a character says they're weaker or stronger than someone, they're 100% correct? Hiruzen said he was going to defeat Orochimaru, Hashirama and Tobirama, but I don't think anyone on here is going to argue that being the case.

Jiraiya has full intel on Tsunade's(and in turn, Sakura's) abilities. Let's assume for a second that he IS worried that he's not able to compete with them in hand to hand(although SM users, including Jiraiya, have similar super strength(as well as enhanced speed)), what's stopping him from summoning Bunta and Ken to buy time and just go ahead and end it with Gama Rinsho, who neither Tsunade or Sakura have any kind of answer for?

@Bold, I could careless if you want to assume that or not.

But just don't be the idiot who thinks the only abilities the characters have are the ones that are sh won on screen. Furthermore, Jiraiya knows about Tsunade more than you and me.. So yea, his word is bigger than yours.

Hiruzen actually was going to defeat all 3 of them, until Orochimaru's sword came out, and he realized he couldn't hold the RDS anymore. So yea, Hiruzen > Orochimaru. The same SM user Jiraiya admit hes inferior to Tsunade when it comes to Combat... you think you know more about Jiraiya's abilities than Jiraiya knows about his own? rofl what?

Because Sakura and Tsunade would neg-diff any frog he will summon..... Him summoning frogs is pointless.. utterly worthless, when the opponent can easily dodge them and neg-diff them.

Katsuyu destroys Gamabunta and any other frog they have (and i'm not even talking about the 10% katsuyu).


And on top of that both of the females are more intelligent than Jiraiya, Sakura is even a good tactician.. And Tsunade was the bloody Hokage.. rofl. So its not even gonna take them that difficulty to get Jiraiya trapped.

Think logically, instead of wanking on what is shown. Literature isn't simply about what is on screen, the words matter just as much.

 

[Bantos]

This gauntlet is isn't necessarily round by round, just post who you think SM Jiraiya wins against and/or loses to.
Location: Grassy field
Starting distance: 50 meters
Intel: Manga

- SM Jiraiya vs. Tsunade and Sakura (can't use more than 10% of Katsuyu) Loses
- SM Jiraiya vs. Kakuzu and Hidan Wins
- SM Jiraiya vs. Hebi Wins
- SM Jiraiya vs. 6th Gate Guy and Lee (Lee has Asakujaku) Loses
- SM Jiraiya vs. Orochimaru w/ 2 mid level Edos Wins
- SM Jiraiya vs. MS Kakashi Maybe a win?
- SM Jiraiya vs. Tobirama Senju w/ 2 fodder Edo Loses
- SM Jiraiya vs. Gengetsu Hōzuki Wins
- SM Jiraiya vs. Third Raikage Loses
- SM Jiraiya vs. Kisame Wins
- SM Jiraiya vs. MS Tobi w/ Izanagi Loses

Edit: Orochimaru has Sakon/Ukon and Kidomaru as edos. Not necessesarily fodder, but not really high level either.

Check the bolded ones in the quote.