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Uh, no. Flower Tree World doesn't do a thing to Itachi because of his Susanoo. The rest doesn't even address what I said because I literally just stated that their Susanoo would be destroyed by Chojo Kebutsu.
SM Hashirama vs Madara,Itachi and Sasuke
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Doesn't the pollen get through anything less than PS? Maybe that's just anime only so I might be wrong.
If their susanoo's are destroyed by chojo how do they put up a fight?
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I don't recall anything like that ever happening in the anime or the Manga, but Susanoo blocked out Mei's Acid Mist so idk if pollen will get through. If it can then FTW does one shot him.
I never said they put up a fight. I said that it'll take effort to get through, and it will. I also stated that he'll be forced to use SS so there's no way anyone can call it a stomp.
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Episode 368 around the thirteen minute mark the pollen was getting through Madara's legged susanoo. It only happened in the anime so maybe I shouldn't use it as an argument
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If you say mid and possibly high diff you're pretty much saying they'll put up a fight and him using ss still wouldn't mean it took much effort if he can casually stomp them when it comes out and not use up much chakra.
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Yeah, cause mist was already blocked out in the Manga.
No, I said mid-high diff at worst, meaning the difficulty is between mid difficulty and high difficulty and that's the highest it can possibly go. Not that it'll be mid-high diff most definitely. If the battle goes how any normal battle will go they will fight until one side brings PS, then Hashirama brings SS. The events leading up to that mean that this fight can't be a stomp.
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Maybe the way I judge the difficulty of battles could be the reason why I disagree with you. I usually go by how much stamina and chakra the fight would take out of them and Hashirama wouldn't have to use much energy for this fight. Hashirama still stomps though since it's full intel so he would just make quick work of them with ss.
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Lmao using SS is him using a lot of chakra so clearly he's using a lot of stamina and chakra for the fight. Brief use of SS is what drained a lot of his chakra before they switched over to CQC. Full intel doesn't even matter. All of his battles against Madara were practically full intel yet you never once saw any of them go full power from the start for no reason. Hashirama has no reason to make quick work of them either, especially since he's the strongest one here by far.
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He still had enough energy to fight Madara for a very long period of time after ss came down so it doesn't take too much out of him and if he knows that Sasuke is capable of using PS just like Madara he's not gonna start off the battle like a regular one on one with Madara since that would be risky.
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He was panting. Whether or not he could fight later doesn't matter because it took a lot of energy out of him and that alone means it can't be a stomp. How can you "stomp" someone in a battle but end up panting after using your strongest tech, which you need to a win? :lol Doesn't make any type of sense. Naruto and Sasuke fought for hours after PS and Kurama were destroyed, does that mean that PS and Kurama didn't take a lot out of them?
Sasuke follows the same logic that every single fighter in this series follows. No one here has any reason to use their biggest tech from the start. Lmao sounds like you are just making up excuses now. Whether or not he starts the battle just like he always does with Madara has nothing to do with him not calling SS from the start.
Sasuke being able to use PS too isn't going to scare Hashirama into using SS first. That also doesn't make sense.
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Is Sasuke and Itachi's Amaterasu not capable of causing extreme harm to Hashi's SS?
Even with SM sensing they are capable of spamming the crap out of it.
Katons counters FTW
2 PS and Yata/Totsuka Susanoo counters Mokuton Avatars(Golem,Dragon)
The only way I see Hashi winning is by using SS which will easily overpower any Form of Susanoo.
Question I have though is since Sasuke's Susanoo can fly could him and Itachi both go aerial spamming Amaterasu?
Will Amaterasu burn Mokuton?
To me this will definitely be a HIGH diff fight for both sides and IF they do beat Hashirama someone is going to die in the process.
What if they all combined their susanoo together?
EDIT: This is based on Yata not being the ultimate invincible item XD
Even with SM sensing they are capable of spamming the crap out of it.
Katons counters FTW
2 PS and Yata/Totsuka Susanoo counters Mokuton Avatars(Golem,Dragon)
The only way I see Hashi winning is by using SS which will easily overpower any Form of Susanoo.
Question I have though is since Sasuke's Susanoo can fly could him and Itachi both go aerial spamming Amaterasu?
Will Amaterasu burn Mokuton?
To me this will definitely be a HIGH diff fight for both sides and IF they do beat Hashirama someone is going to die in the process.
What if they all combined their susanoo together?
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EDIT: This is based on Yata not being the ultimate invincible item XD
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He was fighting Madara and kyuubi before that with mokujin which had to take some chakra from him.
Why wouldn't they start off the battle going for the kill if they know what they're all capable of? If Hashirama already knows that mokujin and Madara's ps are about equal why would he start off with just mokujin if there's another ps user. That would be risky since mokujin alone isn't dealing with two PS users.
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So? Does SS not take a lot of chakra to use? Yes it does and there is no denying it. Then we have the fact that entering Sage Mode increases your chakra reserves since it adds NE to Spirit and Physical Energies, thus Hashirama replenished his reserves somewhat and still used up a lot of chakra on SS.
What are you talking about? Who said anything about not going for the kill? Going for the kill has nothing to do with using your best technique off the bat. Why are you still arguing intel when intel didn't change how Hashirama and Madara fought each other? Why are you still arguing about Sasuke's PS? Who said anything about Mokujin fighting 2 PS users or Hashirama starting off with Mokujin? That has nothing to do with anything I said. Not even sure why you are reaching this hard just to prove that Hashirama stomps but you should stop because you aren't making sense here. This battle is not a stomp even when going by the criteria you just said you follow so how are you even still arguing that this is a stomp?
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He still wasted chakra early on though. Had he just started the battle early on with ss while he was fresh he wouldn't have been as tired as he was.
Hashirama was holding back at first against Madara, so unless this battle had Hashirama in character he's not gonna hold back against his friend this time.
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But what he used early on is nothing compared to what he used for SS. What he used early on is made up for by Sage Mode's immense boost anyway. Yet he was still feeling some sort of fatigue.
Irrelevant and false. Hashirama said that he didn't wan't to kill Madara. Not that he was holding power back the entire time. :lol You don't need to be holding back to not have the intent to kill. That's terrible logic. So whether or not he holds back also has nothing to do with anything I'm saying here. Lmao just stop.
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Ok Hashi wins mid diff.
Hashi not starting the battle with ss right away is holding back since that's his full power. He didn't use ss until he absolutely had to against iso susanoo.
