SM Hashirama VS KCM Naruto, EMS Sasuke, SM Minato , Tobirama, Kakashi and Karin

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No its a living creature. Only a fool thinks retarded things like this. Maybe you are one, I dunno. Hashirama isnt seen using hand seals when controlling Shinsu senju.
Nope it is not. And the bold isn't a proof that it is. That is like saying that Susanoo is also a living creature. But I bet you are retarded enough to also believe that.

Enton blasted the Jubi.
Nope. It didn't. All it did was set some flames on it which the juubi was able to get rid of it easily.
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Susanoo arrow was stated to be too strong even for kabuto who had the water body of suigetsu who tanked bijuudama face first and the natural energy stamina of jugo who barely tanked V1 A's punch right in the chest and lived. Combine this now. The Susanoo arrow is still an arrow and a Susanoo weapon so it is long range enough to hit hashi on top of the statue. If he alone cant tobirama teleports him along with dealing an FTG stab. The only nonsense is your post not mine.
First. Suigetsu didn't tank it you moron. He was left miserably in a jelly-like state; he barely survived. And that is not "tanking" but I doubt that your little mind can comprehend that. Second, it being threat to someone of Kabuto's caliber doesn't imply that it would be for Hashirama. Not even close. Mokuton easily tank it with no effort. Third, you still need to show me how can any of them reach Hashirama while he is on the top of the head of the statue.

Youre nothing more than an ill informed person if you think hashi is standing on top of the 1000 arms behind the small statue. Hashi is standing on top of the statue, which is far below the high arms above him. The amount of stupidity one can spew should be numbered by the base admins. Susanoo arrow range is more than enough to slice Rama on top of shinsus head. Speed increases, force increases, if thays the case, it could kill kabuto if he got caught so it indeed can travel enough distances a bijuubomb travels or even more.
Show me where I said or even implied the bold. Not sure why idiots like you love to put their bullshit into the other people's mouth. Yes, no shit sherlock, I know that he is on the top of the statue but the point that your little brain didn't get is that that statue still dwarfs a ****ing Bijuu in size. So how the **** would Minato's or Tobirama's kunais reach him before getting destroyed by Chojo kebutsu? And No! Susanoo arrow would not be enough to kill Hashirama since it can be simply blocked by one of the Buddha's hand.
 
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Team wins low difficulty. War arc kakashi? He could warp a bijuu on his own and was fully prepared to kamui the Juubi. SS is nothing. Hashi's other wood constructs are also nothing. Only thing here is kakashi could get tired. So kakashi reserves large scale kamui for SS and Minato can send hashi's other constructs away.

With Minato and tobirama there, I don't see hashirama landing any attacks. Hashirama has no constructs. EMS sasuke comes with PS. PS combo attacks with tobirama and Minato and hashirama is slaughtered.
Is there a feat that suggests that Kakashi can warp fast enough before getting slaughtered by it?
 

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Is there a feat that suggests that Kakashi can warp fast enough before getting slaughtered by it?
1. Is SS bigger than the Juubi? No. So yes the whole thing.

2. Is SS fast? I don't think so. From displayed feats, kakashi can warp a bijuu in no time. Even if SS took some multiple longer its still faster than SS. Plus hashirama has no Intel. And if it's really bothering you. Minato could just teleport kakashi out of SS range and have him snipe SS. Easy.
 

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Nope it is not. And the bold isn't a proof that it is. That is like saying that Susanoo is also a living creature. But I bet you are retarded enough to also believe that.
Anyone who has watched this series would know that to control something, the user does the hand seal to connect.
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like this guy does. Hashirama's wood golem is named wood spirit. Which means its a wood construct given a spirit by hashirama. The DB also says its a descending God. So why should something greater in power than wood golem not be a living spirit? If it was not a spirit or living being, it would be guided and controlled by hand seals like Deidara does to his C2 Dragon. Or maybe some moron believes its simply a wood construct lol. Hashiramas main hype was converting chakra into a life source as stated in part 1 by an ANBU. Normal wood itself has life, go read the databook, otherwise danzo wouldnt have been consumed by the cells of hashirama after his suppressing chakra was finished.



Nope. It didn't. All it did was set some flames on it which the juubi was able to get rid of it easily.
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Jubi was screaming with pain so shut up. That irrelevant mouth.



First. Suigetsu didn't tank it you moron. He was left miserably in a jelly-like state; he barely survived. And that is not "tanking" but I doubt that your little mind can comprehend that. Second, it being threat to someone of Kabuto's caliber doesn't imply that it would be for Hashirama. Not even close. Mokuton easily tank it with no effort. Third, you still need to show me how can any of them reach Hashirama while he is on the top of the head of the statue.
"Someone with the capability of hashirama" lmfao, is somebody seriously retarded here?
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Kabuto easy above hashirama tactics of durability with this statement alone. And yes, fool, that is tanking in the worst possible way. Did he die? Was his vital organs injured? Did he even suffer injury? No. He tanked it face first, kabuto has not only his durability but also the jugo's durability which could survive full on punch of V1 A who was the fastest guy at that time, force increases with speed, so raikage's full speed force punch was tanked with minimal damage enough to get up and walk. Kabuto has the combination of both and not just that, he has the snake sage mode gives him extra natural energy body empowerment, something which give people the strength to do this in its initial stage
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That rock is two times his size and is made of solid stone, he did that in its initial stages. Kabuto has this amplified with jugo's durability and suigetsus water durability. And karin's durability which could tank a kick from Danzo who had enough force to send her flying away some distance and shattered a pillar yet she got up like nothing. More stamina = more durability in NV, which is why tobi could tank kubikiribocho with his hashirama hand. Uzumaki lineage gives powerful lifeforce which extreme durability as seen when nagato tanked bee's bijuu lariat with no shatter at all and proceeded to absorb hus cloak casually. And never did those hands repel bijuudama infused projectiles, just the lasers which are much weaker than bijuudama. So kabuto far more durable than Shinsu Senju, in which hashirama is nowhere near SO6P level. Susanoo Arrow could destro someone like him, combine it with enton and the attack would purely burn and cut through the hands, even if it doesnt, it can can bypass the punches which wouldnt keep up with something Sasuke thought was faster than V2 A hence why he was surprised how kabuto evaded, you could see the look on his face, since he already fought A and isnt the one to get surprised by that speed again. Even if that isnt the case tobirama could simply teleport him there and pierce him with the arrow point blank anf burn hashirama with the enton flames like it did to jubi or scorch him by staring with amaterasu.





Show me where I said or even implied the bold. Not sure why idiots like you love to put their bullshit into the other people's mouth. Yes, no shit sherlock, I know that he is on the top of the statue but the point that your little brain didn't get is that that statue still dwarfs a ****ing Bijuu in size. So how the **** would Minato's or Tobirama's kunais reach him before getting destroyed by Chojo kebutsu? And No! Susanoo arrow would not be enough to kill Hashirama since it can be simply blocked by one of the Buddha's hand.
No. Moron and foolish people dont know why. Its higher than the kyuubi, but does it matter? Kakashi kamui's its head by gaining kyuubi chakra from naruto. Minato can create a space time barrier to teleport the nine tails, naruto could give him kyuubi chakra and that would lead to SS being teleported to a hell of debris. And that is the moment, hashi falls down and gets speedblitzed by naruto, shunshim minato, kyuubi chakra possessing karin, kakashi Raikiri, Sasuke, Tobirama Ftg slash while the other guys hold him in position etc. Anyone seriously think hashi stands a chance is an utter fool with no hope. It seriously seems you indeed do not have a life since you claimed you do not entertain trolls, and go back on your worthless word. Trash logic and mindset at its finest. How will hashi dodge Raikiri with ftg piercing right through his chest from his back? Minato would get some time and will mark his body allowing multiple teleportation executing 99% successful attacks considering hashirama is a construct fighter and doesnt have much speed hype or feats.

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Forgot this? Flying Raijin version 2. In sage mode, he could accurately pinpoint his attacks like naruto did to 3rd raikage. And throw his kunai with his reaction speed of light; which results in his nerve transmission fastening and increasing the speed of the kunai thrown, resulting in SS being incapable of hitting or blocking such a small kunai, because it has only blocked broad attacks, small things easily bypass its hands especially through sage mode accuracy and when the kunai reaches hashirama, minato appears and strikes him with Natural energy rasengan which has enough force to carve a mountain into hashi's head. EMS Sasuke uses MS genjutsu capable of trapping danzo with ten sharingan and hashirama cells in a genjutsu. Hashirama cannot afford the luxury of closing his eyes or looking up since he would be dead with a kamui or KCM naruto tobirama teleported punch or kick or Ftg sword slash. Genjutsu solos him and ninjutsu trashes, resulting in his inevitable defeat.

And you know one more thing? Karin can do this :-
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So much for you hyping hashirama all for pointless moronic activity. You forgot to put the above in the equation huh? Karin would solo him alone, let alone the other teamwork combos. She just needs some support, which she has plenty of. Foolishness.

I destroyed one mindless idiot in this debate
 
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.I destroyed one mindless idiot in this debate
Lmfao. Do you have any idea just how ridiculous you sound spouting nonsense like this?

You're not the judge of whether you "beat" someone in a debate. That's up to other people checking and interpreting the facts in the manga to see who's correct. This is how it's done in the real world as well.

Lawyers arguing back and forth a case in the name of Justice still need the Judges interpretation of the law and their argument (along with the jury) to decide cases.

Scientists writing reports need their findings fact checked by a number of scientists they have no relationship with at all for the scientific legitimacy of their work.

You could say to your buddy. Oh yeah bro I totally destroyed that Exam and got an A *_*. And once it's judged by computer or professor. Turns out it was you who got destroyed.

Point of the story is. Your "wins" are not legitimate "wins" no matter how much you think it is. You need the consesus of the majority which I believe you don't have in a lot of cases here on NB.
 
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1. Is SS bigger than the Juubi? No. So yes the whole thing.

2. Is SS fast? I don't think so. From displayed feats, kakashi can warp a bijuu in no time. Even if SS took some multiple longer its still faster than SS. Plus hashirama has no Intel. And if it's really bothering you. Minato could just teleport kakashi out of SS range and have him snipe SS. Easy.
1. Irrelevant. He can warp it, no disagreement. But the problem is that, can he warp it fast enough before getting stomped? As you know, it dwarfs a Bijuu in size so it is going to take a shit load of time to warp it.

2.Chojo Kebutsu was able to overpower a lot of BD with PS blades and reach Kurama from a good distance. So Chojo Kebutsu is definitely fast. And the bold isn't going to work since Hashirama can sense him with SM and can attack him with any Mokuten tech if he can't reach him with Shinuusenju.

Also, Kakashi need a good amount of time Chakra build up before wraping anything big and Hashi isn't going to offer him all that.
 

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Lmfao. Do you have any idea just how ridiculous you sound spouting nonsense like this?

You're not the judge of whether you "beat" someone in a debate. That's up to other people checking and interpreting the facts in the manga to see who's correct. This is how it's done in the real world as well.

Lawyers arguing back and forth a case in the name of Justice still need the Judges interpretation of the law and their argument (along with the jury) to decide cases.

Scientists writing reports need their findings fact checked by a number of scientists they have no relationship with at all for the scientific legitimacy of their work.

You could say to your buddy. Oh yeah bro I totally destroyed that Exam and got an A *_*. And once it's judged by computer or professor. Turns out it was you who got destroyed.

Point of the story is. Your "wins" are not legitimate "wins" no matter how much you think it is. You need the consesus of the majority which I believe you don't have in a lot of cases here on NB.
Why need the consent of majority when you have facts? Majority automatically becomes trash. This Hakke guy as you can see ran away from facts so i dont need his pathetic ill informed consent over my analysis pretty much entirely backed by fact. The guy proved he's a coward not worth much attention or time. Or he wouldve faced facts. He said shinsu is non living , i gave him proof its living. He said kabuto is less durable than SS even though its a fact that kabuto was an 80% of SO6P who outclasses hashirama in every way. Kabuto's body combined with powerful uzumaki lifeforce is obviously more durable than some wood technique. Gave him proof, he tucked tails and pretty fashionably hid under me as you can see. He was destroyed literally. Im the winner here. Im the only winner. I declare my victories with pride and poise. Im a king of debates and those who dont agree dont know factual analytical precise intellect intellectual oriented imaginative information. Thats as simple as the loser poster's mind whose name starts with H.
 

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Why need the consent of majority when you have facts? Majority automatically becomes trash. This Hakke guy as you can see ran away from facts so i dont need his pathetic ill informed consent over my analysis pretty much entirely backed by fact. The guy proved he's a coward not worth much attention or time. Or he wouldve faced facts. He said shinsu is non living , i gave him proof its living. He said kabuto is less durable than SS even though its a fact that kabuto was an 80% of SO6P who outclasses hashirama in every way. Kabuto's body combined with powerful uzumaki lifeforce is obviously more durable than some wood technique. Gave him proof, he tucked tails and pretty fashionably hid under me as you can see. He was destroyed literally. Im the winner here. Im the only winner. I declare my victories with pride and poise. Im a king of debates and those who dont agree dont know factual analytical precise intellect intellectual oriented imaginative information. Thats as simple as the loser poster's mind whose name starts with H.
Just imagine being this delusional.
 

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1. Irrelevant. He can warp it, no disagreement. But the problem is that, can he warp it fast enough before getting stomped? As you know, it dwarfs a Bijuu in size so it is going to take a shit load of time to warp it.

2.Chojo Kebutsu was able to overpower a lot of BD with PS blades and reach Kurama from a good distance. So Chojo Kebutsu is definitely fast. And the bold isn't going to work since Hashirama can sense him with SM and can attack him with any Mokuten tech if he can't reach him with Shinuusenju.

Also, Kakashi need a good amount of time Chakra build up before wraping anything big and Hashi isn't going to offer him all that.
1. He can warp a bijuu in an instant. So if time is an issue, kakashi is a strategist he can just take bijuu size chunks out of SS. Both feet gone in an instant, immobilised. Repeat.

2. The hands are fast when within range yes. But i mean how fast is the entire construct moving? Its slow. Like I said. Kakashi can preserve his chakra for the moment SS shows up on the battlefield. As long as he has the chakra, no build up necessary. This is war arc kakashi not start of part 2 kakashi. Any mokuton tech hashirama uses to try and attack kakashi while out of range of SS can be sent away by Minato(by canon he can send away anything kyuubi size). Tobirama could help too. There are three S/T users here. It's too much for hashirama. And Kamui is too haxx.
 

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1. He can warp a bijuu in an instant. So if time is an issue, kakashi is a strategist he can just take bijuu size chunks out of SS. Both feet gone in an instant, immobilised. Repeat.

2. The hands are fast when within range yes. But i mean how fast is the entire construct moving? Its slow. Like I said. Kakashi can preserve his chakra for the moment SS shows up on the battlefield. As long as he has the chakra, no build up necessary. This is war arc kakashi not start of part 2 kakashi. Any mokuton tech hashirama uses to try and attack kakashi while out of range of SS can be sent away by Minato(by canon he can send away anything kyuubi size). Tobirama could help too. There are three S/T users here. It's too much for hashirama. And Kamui is too haxx.
Huh? :lol Kakashi almost wiped himself out warping B even after getting Naruto's chakra so idk why you are attempting to argue that Kakashi warps away SS's legs, which are larger than it's hands which are as large as Full Kurama.
 
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Huh? :lol Kakashi almost wiped himself out warping B even after getting Naruto's chakra so idk why you are attempting to argue that Kakashi warps away SS's legs, which are larger than it's hands which are as large as Full Kurama.
Kakashi warped Gedo Mazou which is bigger than bijuu. Kakashi just has to warp the shinsu senju's head. Or hashirama the great standing on top of his head. Unless you are trying to say kakashi cant see hashirama on top of that. Minato can throw his kunai at a speed faster than SS can keep up and teleport where that kunai lands. He can teleport kakashi with him, which means point blank kamui with all of kcm naruto's chakra which means more than enough to teleport both SS and Rama. You are acting like all the others would be stationary without lending support. Karin's chains smash through SS while kakashi reaches there since she has been seen doing it instantly smashing SS left and right. Ofcourse you will ignore this, because cowards cannot stand to admit the fact SS gets broken by mere chains of karin and that will put a trash name on hashirama as a "weak" ninja , if that scenario takes place indeed.
 

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Shinsuusenju is a living being you retards, it has feelings like everybody else and doesn't deserve to be insulted so much.


Wood lives matter, all lives matter
Are you mocking me? The great debater of all time? Im the king of debates as you know. SS is a living being without feelings, refer to my 2nd post to that Hakke Bakke Kakke. Karin destroys SS with kyuubi chakra and kakashi teleports hashirama hair of his head, when he is in that pain, minato and tobirama can simply throw kunai and appear behind him and kill him with FTG slash and Natural Light Rasengan. Natural energy converts rasengan into a ball of light. Destroying SS also isn't that necessary, when it can die from the super fast Susanoo arrow. Buddha hand isn't fast enough to block it, its faster than V2 A according to Sasuke's face reaction.
 

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Shinsuusenju is a living being you retards, it has feelings like everybody else and doesn't deserve to be insulted so much.


Wood lives matter, all lives matter
Yeah, your friend KidGamer shares those thoughts deeply.

Wood Lives Matter...Librarian Lives Matter
 

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FRS is well tailored to taking down a regenerator because it severs the energy network. That plus Naruto scaling to V2 Raikage while Hashirama scales to Base Raikage at best allows Naruto to handily win. Even if Hashirama had the time to get his techniques out, the blades would just tear through the wood.

The Black Flames would keep burning. Sasuke being able to shape them and give them solid properties hard counters the wood. His scaling also beats Hashirama. Both him and Naruto have an easy time here.

Minato already scales above Hashirama in standard form, so SM takes him even higher. While he lacks the power output of Hashirama, his teleportation was tailor made to avoid something like the SS. He would combine it with his toads to spam attacks from all directions while avoiding getting hit himself. He can very quickly warp Hashirama out of bounds, or apply a sealing technique for his energy usage or downright exhaust his regeneration with crushing attacks from the toads. It will be tough because of the SM time limit, but practically guaranteed.

Even with superior speed, Tobirama lacks the output to properly hurt Hashirama. His explosions can be easily punted away by any wood hand. With superior FTG usage, like Minato, he could possibly stalemate. Although the implied energy cost of FTG has me unsure of how long it would be useful. Perhaps Tobirama can tag and warp away Hashirama for a technical win. It could go either way, but with conventional strategies Hashirama wins.

I don't think Kakashi can get past the superior life force of Hashirama to warp him off, unless he creates a warp hole so big it covers all of Hashirama. He could also warp himself away and then appear behind Hashirama (no presence ability) to stream lightning into his entire body and kill all his cells at once, but only maybe. Hashirama should out last tho. If Kakashi doesn't think these strategies would work, then he can at least escape easily.

If Karin has enough dexterity with her chains, then she can quickly tear Hashirama to shreds. I don't think she does. She may be able to get a single attack, but Hashirama will quickly regenerate and overwhelm her.
 
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