[VS] SM Hashirama vs Kages

[V h o]

Common sense isn't common. Im not the only one that brought him up:


Its easier to make the quick edit barring him aswell than it is to go off assumptions.

Assumption? He said all kages barring Hashirama, Naruto is a kage. He can clarify himself but according to what he said I'm making no assumption.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Oh wow, I thought that guy was just trolling like the people who say Sasuke solo's in threads which don't include Sasuke lmao.

That to me is just irritating. Whereas here naruto soloing is a possibility since naruto is a kage.

Assumption? He said all kages barring Hashirama, Naruto is a kage. He can clarify himself but according to what he said I'm making no assumption.

Did you read the entire post?

i don't think you did....

 

[KidGamer65]

How would the remaining Kage give them the win? Now that I read what you said about how he can put them down in S1 I can't see the remaining Kage doing anything to win either tbh.

Hmmm...The other Kage would be:

-Gengetsu
-Rasa
-Ay
-Third Ay
-Gaara
-Third Kazekage
-Mei


Well, no blitzing will occur since he can react to Hiraishin w/ SM. So we can scratch that. Raw power isn't going to help since Hashirama trumps them in that category by far. Mei is useless. So is Gaara. So is Rasa. So is the Third Kazekage. Ay is useless since lightened Ay won't even be able to blitz Hashirama (and even if he did healing would let him recover. Inb4 someone says "it broke Susanoo", two different types of targets. Ay's punch would rupture every organ in Hashriama's body most likely, but his healing can recover that) so he's useless here. His father is a threat due to Nukite, but he's far slower. So he definitely never blitzes.......so in reality he isn't even a bigger threat than Ay.

-Already listed how Jinton is countered.
-Already listed how Hiraishin is countered.

Gengetsu's clam could be a major issue, but considering Hashirama's basic forest would cover that entire area in seconds, it won't be up for long. And wouldn't it even affect his teammates?

Their only chance would be to come up with some combos that revolve around Jinton, but what can they possibly do that doesn't get countered? Then there's Shinsuusenju. :lol

Yeah. Hashirama can win, probably. Depends on whether or not I'm missing something.

 

[KingHashirama]

By all the Kages we are talking about the monsters of the first and second generation Kages as well (who are all probably Tobirama tier)?

If so then he loses clearly in the second scenario.


As the first and the second generation of Kages probably know his fighting styles and so on.

 

[V h o]

That to me is just irritating. Whereas here naruto soloing is a possibility since naruto is a kage.



Did you read the entire post?

i don't think you did....

I did, he corrects himself later in the thread/another post, which I didn't read (never read below initial post anyway).

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I did, he corrects himself later in the thread/another post, which I didn't read (never read below initial post anyway).

so you understood what i said? or do u need me to explain

 

[V h o]

so you understood what i said? or do u need me to explain

You're good....forcing me to read other posts isn't right >.>

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You're good....forcing me to read other posts isn't right >.>

well ok.

 

[Apêx1]

Hmmm...The other Kage would be:

-Gengetsu
-Rasa
-Ay
-Third Ay
-Gaara
-Third Kazekage
-Mei


Well, no blitzing will occur since he can react to Hiraishin w/ SM. So we can scratch that. Raw power isn't going to help since Hashirama trumps them in that category by far. Mei is useless. So is Gaara. So is Rasa. So is the Third Kazekage. Ay is useless since lightened Ay won't even be able to blitz Hashirama (and even if he did healing would let him recover. Inb4 someone says "it broke Susanoo", two different types of targets. Ay's punch would rupture every organ in Hashriama's body most likely, but his healing can recover that) so he's useless here. His father is a threat due to Nukite, but he's far slower. So he definitely never blitzes.......so in reality he isn't even a bigger threat than Ay.

-Already listed how Jinton is countered.
-Already listed how Hiraishin is countered.

Gengetsu's clam could be a major issue, but considering Hashirama's basic forest would cover that entire area in seconds, it won't be up for long. And wouldn't it even affect his teammates?

Their only chance would be to come up with some combos that revolve around Jinton, but what can they possibly do that doesn't get countered? Then there's Shinsuusenju. :lol

Yeah. Hashirama can win, probably. Depends on whether or not I'm missing something.

I can't see anything wrong, but then again I'm not the biggest Kage supporter so I could be missing something too.

 

[ARGUS]

hashirama comfortably wins both scenarios.

honestly once SS comes out. all kages turn to paste.
hashirama clowns the kgaes in the first scenario without even using SS

 

[TheSages456]

It was healing to wake them up and since when was healing able to replenish chakra if it does i have a new found respect for tsunade lol
But I know it doesn't or else she would never run out of chakra while healing someone (exp Chiyo with gaara ) and her biyoko mode would never run out

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"It means that we can continue fighting even when our chakra gets siphoned!"

i dont really think that the manga could make this more obvious.

 

[Unorthodox]

Hashirama wins S1 Neg low diff. (He does not even need his Big guns)

He wins S2 as well not sure about the difficulty though.

 

[Touken]

(Inb4 someone brings the Rikudo argument I was using, I've been proven wrong by Apex, so no I'm not contradicting my argument for the fun of it)

What Rikudo argument? I'm pretty sure it's implied that Madara used Limbo to get a hold of Tobirama while in mid-air.

 

[KidGamer65]

What Rikudo argument? I'm pretty sure it's implied that Madara used Limbo to get a hold of Tobirama while in mid-air.

Wasn't talking about that. I was talking about the idea that Rikudo chakra would make Madara a good deal stronger than he would be due to having one eye.

But no, it's not implied that Limbo was used at all. We have no idea what happened in that scenario.

 

[Touken]

But no, it's not implied that Limbo was used at all. We have no idea what happened in that scenario.

Then how is it possible to assume that Hashirama could best both Minato & Tobirama in a Hiraishin blitz if you're comparing SM Hashirama to SM Madara w/ 1 Rinnegan eye? The latter has a certain skillset that SM Hashirama doesn't have.

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Tobirama's in the exact same stance as

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Then you have Madara monologuing about how there's a gulf between their skills now.

The thought of Hashirama besting 1 Hiraishin user in CQC is pretty out there, I don't see him beating 2.

 

[KidGamer65]

Then how is it possible to assume that Hashirama could best both Minato & Tobirama in a Hiraishin blitz if you're comparing SM Hashirama to SM Madara w/ 1 Rinnegan eye? The latter has a certain skillset that SM Hashirama doesn't have.

In

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Tobirama's in the exact same stance as

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Then you have Madara monologuing about how there's a gulf between their skills now.

The thought of Hashirama besting 1 Hiraishin user in CQC is pretty out there, I don't see him beating 2.

Because Limbo wasn't used. And I never said he'd take them both at the same time with CQC alone. I simply said he'd react and counter.

And no, he's not in the same exact stance. Not even possible since he's in mid air before, and then sprawled out on the ground afterwards. Madara talking about his speed and his skills implies that Madara shat on him with pure physical ability. Not to mention his arm is missing. If Limbo had just caught him, all Madara would have to do is immobilize him with the rods. His arm being missing implies that Madara reacted to his counter attack and cut Tobirama's arm off before the Kunai could pierce him.

 

[Touken]

Because Limbo wasn't used. And I never said he'd take them both at the same time with CQC alone. I simply said he'd react and counter.

And no, he's not in the same exact stance. Not even possible since he's in mid air before, and then sprawled out on the ground afterwards. Madara talking about his speed and his skills implies that Madara shat on him with pure physical ability. Not to mention his arm is missing. If Limbo had just caught him, all Madara would have to do is immobilize him with the rods. His arm being missing implies that Madara reacted to his counter attack and cut Tobirama's arm off before the Kunai could pierce him.

Huh, I always took the scan as his arm being pulled in towards his body rather than it being cut off. Nvm.

 

[MickNerks]

Hashirama beats them High Diff in Scenario 1

Hashirama gets destroyed badly in Scenario 2

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no way hashirama can beat all these people at once (plus naruto, kakashi, and alive kage)

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