SM Hashirama vs Edo Madara.

[MasqueradeNX]

Hashirama wins this one

 

[Kagustuchi]

Considering Edo Hashirama (Who was revived short of his full power and didn't use Shinsuusenju) subdued Edo Madara in canon. Full Power Hashirama obliterates him with SS. Mid difficulty.

I still don't buy that they were reanimated weaker than when they were alive. Tobirama himself states otherwise.

 

[Transcendence]

I still don't buy that they were reanimated weaker than when they were alive. Tobirama himself states otherwise.

Tobirama said they were brought back near their full power. We already know from the manga that Edo's don't exhibit the full potential of a real body. So in reality, Hashirama was even more handicapped. Not at all at full power, whereas Madara still has PS, some Rin'negan techniques and Mokuton. Even then, in canon Hashirama still won so arguing this match-up and saying Madara was restricted at all is fruitless. Neither were full potential, yet one had upgrades and Hashirama still won.

 

[HWL]

Lord Hashirama ****in annihilates this is a complete curb stomp. Hashirama was basically in base every time they fought. He literally said "I don't want to kill you Madara." Madara "Senju Dog" Uchiha calls him out on it, and Hashi knows that he could literally kill Madara ta any moment he pleased but he's a nice guy and simply didn't want to hurt his feelings.What a beast.

We can back this up mathematically in a way Einstein would literally not be able to disprove this. When Shit Lover Zetsu used the Buddha the thing was 2 stories tall, but when SM Hashirama used it it wa sliterally dwarfing mountains AKA x1000 times bigger, we can conclude SM Hashirama is literally x1000 times stronger than Madara. Edo Madara was brought back at x2 stronger than prime meaning Hashi is at least x500 stronger and could annihilate. Literally can just pull off his pants and Madara would fall to the ground under the presence of his wood.

Hashirama4Lyfe

 

[KidGamer65]

I still don't buy that they were reanimated weaker than when they were alive. Tobirama himself states otherwise.

Yeah, doesn't make sense, but then we have a statement from Madara saying that the Senju Bros can't bring out their full power. Even then, Hashirama still didn't use SS, so it's irrelevant.

 

[Apêx1]

I still don't buy that they were reanimated weaker than when they were alive. Tobirama himself states otherwise.

It was still almost their full power, so Tobirama does not state otherwise because he does not claim it was their full power.

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EditL Transcendence already said this, my bad.

 

[TRE MERCER]

SM Hashirama wins high difficulty...

Meteors are grabbed by 17 out of thousands of SS hands which are Kurama sized once grabbed there crushed. Anything bar Ps or meteors have no meaning to Hashirama once SS comes out. Ps get's beat like it was in cannon with the help of Kurama. ​

Considering Edo Hashirama (Who was revived short of his full power and didn't use Shinsuusenju) subdued Edo Madara in canon. Full Power Hashirama obliterates him with SS. Mid difficulty.

Madara wasn't at full power either confirmed by Hashirama. Madara subdued him as well via rods. Hashirama isn't obliterating anything here. ​

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara wasn't at full power either confirmed by Hashirama. Madara subdued him as well via rods. Hashirama isn't obliterating anything here.

Irrelevant. Madara being at full power is irrelevant, because he's the same in this thread. Hashirama isn't. Gimped Hashirama beat Madara extremely high diff w/o SS. Full power Hashirama crushes him with SS.

Uh no. Madara stabbed a gimped Hashirama who didn't use his strongest jutsu with the black rods, and got subdued himself...only to subdue Hashirama when he was revived. Hashirama already matched Madara's full power with Mokujin. SS>>>Mokujin=PS. Madara gets obliterated.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Irrelevant. Madara being at full power is irrelevant, because he's the same in this thread. Hashirama isn't. Gimped Hashirama beat Madara extremely high diff w/o SS. Full power Hashirama crushes him with SS.

Uh no. Madara stabbed a gimped Hashirama who didn't use his strongest jutsu with the black rods, and got subdued himself...only to subdue Hashirama when he was revived. Hashirama already matched Madara's full power with Mokujin. SS>>>Mokujin=PS. Madara gets obliterated.

It was a draw clearly. Madara was held down via hoti gates Hashirama was held down via rods. Ps is much stronger than mokujin in terms of offence defense and destructive capabilities. Yes Madara loses but does he gets stomped not a chance in hell. ​

 

[KidGamer65]

It was a draw clearly. ​

Nope.

Madara was held down via hoti gates

Madara was held down via Mokuryu first.

Hashirama was held down via rods.

I suggest you re-read that part of the manga. Hashirama was only immobilized AFTER Madara was revived, not before.

Ps is much stronger than mokujin in terms of offence defense and destructive capabilities.

Manga showed that Mokujin can stalemate PS. If PS can't overwhelm Mokujin, then it doesn't stand a chance against Shinsuusenju, that simple.

Yes Madara loses but does he gets stomped not a chance in hell.

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It's a mid diff win, as I stated in my original post if you bothered to read it. Lol.

 

[TRE MERCER]

It's a mid diff win, as I stated in my original post if you bothered to read it. Lol.

My point... ​

 

[KidGamer65]

My point... ​

So basically....you wasted all this time replying to me, trying to debunk something I never said? Lol.

 

[TRE MERCER]

So basically....you wasted all this time replying to me, trying to debunk something I never said? Lol.

I was just making sure you knew this wasn't a stomp. The word obliterates doesn't suggest a med diff battle by the way. ​

 

[KidGamer65]

I was just making sure you knew this wasn't a stomp. The word obliterates doesn't suggest a med diff battle by the way. ​

It does actually. Does SS not obliterate Madara? Yes, it does, but it's mid diff when you consider everything before Hashirama brings out his strongest tech.

 

[TRE MERCER]

It does actually. Does SS not obliterate Madara? Yes, it does, but it's mid diff when you consider everything before Hashirama brings out his strongest tech.

Ps does loses to SS but not as easily as you think is does. Obliterate is Kurama against Kakashi little weak dog summonings. Also if Obliterate is used to discribe a med diff battle how would you describe a low diff battle? ​

 

[KidGamer65]

Ps does loses to SS but not as easily as you think is does. ​

Lol, it really is. The gap between Mokujin and Shinsuusenju is all you need to look at.

Obliterate is Kurama against Kakashi little weak dog summonings. Also if Obliterate is used to discribe a med diff battle how would you describe a low diff battle?

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No, that's an unholy god stomp. PS gets obliterated by SS. All obliterate means is to be destroyed in an exaggerated fashion, utterly wiped out.

"Obliterate" doesn't describe the whole battle, it only describes the end.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Lol, it really is. The gap between Mokujin and Shinsuusenju is all you need to look at.



No, that's an unholy god stomp. PS gets obliterated by SS. All obliterate means is to be destroyed in an exaggerated fashion, utterly wiped out.

"Obliterate" doesn't describe the whole battle, it only describes the end.

L0l ok i get your drift. ​

 

[Kagustuchi]

@Trans and Apex

The point of the statement was the difference between their full power and their Edo power was negligible. I was just trying to say that they weren't so handicapped that they would get much stronger if they were alive.

In either case, I wasn't trying to say that Madara wins this. His full power at VOTE wasn't enough to take on Alive Hashirama and it hadn't changed since then, he simply became more versatile.

Edo Madara tied Edo Hashirama as well, the later being immobilized by stakes. Without any other individuals present, they both would have sat there for eternity.

*Edit: I always forget Hashirama still used a Deity Gate afterwards. Meh.

Yeah, doesn't make sense, but then we have a statement from Madara saying that the Senju Bros can't bring out their full power. Even then, Hashirama still didn't use SS, so it's irrelevant.

He was probably referring to Hashi not using SS, but that's pure speculation on my part. While it seems like they contradict each other, Tobirama and Madara's statements can still be both true. Madara says they're not at full power (which they arnt) but the gap isn't so large that they would be considered weaker than their mortal forms

But the bottom line is, Mortal Hashirama's fight against Edo Madara would go the same way it did with Edo Hashirama. Except Shinsuusenju comes out this time and pastes Madara

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Lol, it really is. The gap between Mokujin and Shinsuusenju is all you need to look at.



No, that's an unholy god stomp. PS gets obliterated by SS. All obliterate means is to be destroyed in an exaggerated fashion, utterly wiped out.

"Obliterate" doesn't describe the whole battle, it only describes the end.

L0l ok i get your drift. ​

Lol, guys, I would honestly call this a low diff win for Hashi. Canonically Shinsusenju has yet to be beat. Madara couldn't even do the job with the Kyuubi at his side. Plus there's the gates that held down the juubi of all things.

I think the Edo fight shows Hashirama wasn't even at his peak at the VOTE. There's no proof he had his Gates at the time. Hashirama put madara down, even though he'd just spent a whole load of his senjutsu chakra on the purple barrier, and was basically fighting the Juubi through his moku bushin at the same time - which takes power from the original.

And plus it didn't take Hashirama nearly as long as it had in the past.

 

[KidGamer65]

He was probably referring to Hashi not using SS, but that's pure speculation on my part. While it seems like they contradict each other, Tobirama and Madara's statements can still be both true. Madara says they're not at full power (which they arnt) but the gap isn't so large that they would be considered weaker than their mortal forms

It's possible that they don't contradict each other, but Madara's statement seems to imply that there is a noticeable difference between them at full power and them as Edo Tensei....but meh.

But the bottom line is, Mortal Hashirama's fight against Edo Madara would go the same way it did with Edo Hashirama. Except Shinsuusenju comes out this time and pastes Madara

Yeah. Pretty much.

Lol, guys, I would honestly call this a low diff win for Hashi. Canonically Shinsusenju has yet to be beat. Madara couldn't even do the job with the Kyuubi at his side. Plus there's the gates that held down the juubi of all things.

I think the Edo fight shows Hashirama wasn't even at his peak at the VOTE. There's no proof he had his Gates at the time. Hashirama put madara down, even though he'd just spent a whole load of his senjutsu chakra on the purple barrier, and was basically fighting the Juubi through his moku bushin at the same time - which takes power from the original.

And plus it didn't take Hashirama nearly as long as it had in the past.

Even with the Gates, his strongest technique is Shinsuusenju. That was definitely peak Hashirama. Madara has the ability to stalemate Hashirama at the very least before Shinsuusenju comes out, Hashirama would be pushed to use it actually. Then there's the fact that they don't jump straight to their strongest techs, meaning there will be a scuffle beforehand. That's why it's mid diff.