[Discussion] Skill to belittle:

[UchihaBrat]

Why is it that it has become so seemingly fanatically extolled, the skill to belittle and make fun of others??

To clarify what I'm talking about: 'trolls' as many call them, flammers, normal mean people or whatnot, use various methods in order to provoke rage from within others; they can make remarks upon others' grammar or whichever peculiarities makes these victims what they are. Peculiarities often perceived as, not only by the assailants, to be qualities we use to decide the 'worth' of someone or the like.
Some do take offence at what methods and remarks are being used, that would be because these are connected, no?

Either way, these methods and whatever is being used, seem to be rather appreciated by many, not by all, definitely not. So why?

I think it's rather easy to discern this cheering on by others, the most plain example being simple agreement, without really any good motivation at all, not that I believe there is any, or so I would like to find out. Another would be that people think it funny, showing it through a "lol," posting a picture expressing sympathy and so on.

What do you all think?

 

[YowYan]

oh man, you're copying RPGdude with these kind of threads ;p

 

[UchihaBrat]

oh man, you're copying RPGdude with these kind of threads ;p

Heh~ do you jest with me? Please stay on topic though. I'm being serious and would rather get a serious reply. The thread is in this section after all.

 

[Frankenstein]

Come on man, don't be such a nancy pansy, let us be

 

[UchihaBrat]

Come on man, don't be such a nancy pansy, let us be

Ok, last warning, be serious about it, please. Keep on topic, is it too much to ask?
(Off topic) and whether I take issue with this or not, would it stop you or them?

 

[YowYan]

OT: I don't belittle others other than pointing out their ignorance. I do leave out the cussing. That's just pathetic.

 

[UchihaBrat]

OT: I don't belittle others other than pointing out their ignorance. I do leave out the cussing. That's just pathetic.

Ok, but why do you think they do it? That's what I want discussion about.
Off topic: And I would say that, depending on how this 'pointing out' looks like, it might as well be what they do, so please be careful with that. I don't know how you do it, so I'll trust what you say

 

[YowYan]

Ok, but why do you think they do it? That's what I want discussion about.
Off topic: And I would say that, depending on how this 'pointing out' looks like, it might as well be what they do, so please be careful with that. I don't know how you do it, so I'll trust what you say

In real life, when correcting someone or pointing out their mistake, I'm kind of neutral. I thaught myself not pull an arrogant smirk when correcting someone in the name of 'no ego'.

 

[UchihaBrat]

In real life, when correcting someone or pointing out their mistake, I'm kind of neutral. I thaught myself not pull an arrogant smirk when correcting someone in the name of 'no ego'.

Well then it sounds as if you've found a way of doing it, hope that goes well!

 

[uchihadesendent]

They do it in order to make themslves feel better because something has happened in their lifetime that made them feel awful and now they feel they must do that to anyone that they deem a easy victim I hope I answered your question!

 

[The Western Wheel]

I think a kind of reflection is adequate. An intellectual thread with a solid base for conversation deserves to be respected IMO. A troll tread is on a different level, and can be treated as such. Flame wars can be fun(popcorn) and delivering a little fuel for it can be provided as well.

If you belittle people for the sake of it, it shows you have a small mind(even though you might think otherwise), however, if someone is a major fanboy, a question to stop riding that fictional character's **** is not that bad.

All in all: respect each other. Even if some go online with a tendency to insult. And if you really want only intelligent comments on your thread... make it a lot longer.

One last thing: people who belittle others will not stop because of this. That's why you got mods when it goes out of hand.

My two cents.

And WHY? Nothing better to do; obvious. Makes them feel not as empty...

 

[Frankenstein]

Ok, last warning, be serious about it, please. Keep on topic, is it too much to ask?
(Off topic) and whether I take issue with this or not, would it stop you or them?

Okay you want a serious reply? There you have it :

I do mock people all the time. But. That doesn't mean I belittle them or their achievements. That would be immature and quite the loser attitude.
Instead, according to my judgement they are either morons or their achievements are nothing to brag about, so I take the pleasure of mocking them so as to annoy them and put them to their place.
On the other hand, I do praise others whenever I see that someone deserves my respect for something.

That's what I do. However, most of the annoying people you are referring to are just people with inferiority/superiority complexes.

 

[Cloudbuster]

They are trying to copy the guy in Kyo4's signature

 

[ShishaMastah420]

It's not a skill it's a way of life.

 

[UchihaBrat]

They do it in order to make themslves feel better because something has happened in their lifetime that made them feel awful and now they feel they must do that to anyone that they deem a easy victim I hope I answered your question!

You did! But I'd say it stands to be verified, as I wonder what validity the connection you make between the two has.
You can say something in their early life affects them, but what would that be, for example? And how would it all make them feel better?

I think a kind of reflection is adequate. An intellectual thread with a solid base for conversation deserves to be respected IMO. A troll tread is on a different level, and can be treated as such. Flame wars can be fun(popcorn) and delivering a little fuel for it can be provided as well.

If you belittle people for the sake of it, it shows you have a small mind(even though you might think otherwise), however, if someone is a major fanboy, a question to stop riding that fictional character's **** is not that bad.

All in all: respect each other. Even if some go online with a tendency to insult. And if you really want only intelligent comments on your thread... make it a lot longer.

One last thing: people who belittle others will not stop because of this. That's why you got mods when it goes out of hand.

My two cents.

And WHY? Nothing better to do; obvious. Makes them feel not as empty...

Hmm.. You remind me of someone in whom's thread I made a post in earlier today:

Treat a thread as according to what they are, you say. I'm sure there are certain traits that decides what is what regarding thread types when you mention these different types, and you're saying treating them as such, is ok?
Excuse me for asking, but, by 'treating the threads as such', do you refer to taking part in the flaming, trolling, a discussion(if it's a serious thread) etc. and that this is ok?
For the discussion about serious topics I can understand if you want to be serious as well when taking part of it, but about whether it deserves it or not, is a assessment each and every individual makes, isn't it? How do you even make that judgment??
Besides I'd like to argue that you needn't tons of text to make something serious, it's proven rather discouraging I would say. Just look at some of my 'serious' threads; none, if not only a few responses and that's all there is to it!
This thread however; short opening post and at least more than one reply! I wonder why~

Back to the topic; ridiculing a fanboy, no matter what the implications, seems puny to me and contradicts what you say about others as if it doesn't apply to you as well.

Yeah, my guesses are they won't stop, but hopes that they would reflect at least a little. I would not judge it useless unless I at least gave it a try to see for myself and gave them, a chance.

Answering the topic question in the end, how sneaky!
How do you mean 'empty'?

Okay you want a serious reply? There you have it :

I do mock people all the time. But. That doesn't mean I belittle them or their achievements. That would be immature and quite the loser attitude.
Instead, according to my judgement they are either morons or their achievements are nothing to brag about, so I take the pleasure of mocking them so as to annoy them and put them to their place.
On the other hand, I do praise others whenever I see that someone deserves my respect for something.

That's what I do. However, most of the annoying people you are referring to are just people with inferiority/superiority complexes.

Thank you for your serious reply, here's mine:

I feel you contradict yourself with what you say, because belittling someone for their achievements or for whom they are, is kind of putting them in their supposed 'place', as is mocking them for it. Rather, you put them in their place in your mind already by considering them morons or their achievements nothing out of the ordinary, expressing it through mockery, wouldn't you say?
Why annoy them?

They are trying to copy the guy in Kyo4's signature

You're getting close to my own suspicions here, though only slightly

@shisha: how?

 

[Frankenstein]

Thank you for your serious reply, here's mine:

I feel you contradict yourself with what you say, because belittling someone for their achievements or for whom they are, is kind of putting them in their supposed 'place', as is mocking them for it. Rather, you put them in their place in your mind already by considering them morons or their achievements nothing out of the ordinary, expressing it through mockery, wouldn't you say?
Why annoy them?

!? How does that show that I contradict myself? My judgement is objective when I judge others, same as when I judge myself. So what I am telling them is just my honest opinion of them, which is also the truth about themselves.

Oh they are always annoyed trust me. People don't like to be called on their bullshit, or exposed if you like. They like to hide behind their mask and want the others to respect them and be kind to them. So when a guy like me exposes their bullshit or their idocy by mocking them, they rage.

But all in all, it's not something like a skill or anything. I don't even care about others that much. I just speak my mind in a quite tactless way if you prefer


As for dr. House, yeah, everybody and his mother-in-law thinks that it's cool to be a smartass. But for that, you first need to be smart. Otherwise you are just an ass

 

[UchihaBrat]

!? How does that show that I contradict myself? My judgement is objective when I judge others, same as when I judge myself. So what I am telling them is just my honest opinion of them, which is also the truth about themselves.

Oh they are always annoyed trust me. People don't like to be called on their bullshit, or exposed if you like. They like to hide behind their mask and want the others to respect them and be kind to them. So when a guy like me exposes their bullshit or their idocy by mocking them, they rage.

But all in all, it's not something like a skill or anything. I don't even care about others that much. I just speak my mind in a quite tactless way if you prefer


As for dr. House, yeah, everybody and his mother-in-law thinks that it's cool to be a smartass. But for that, you first need to be smart. Otherwise you are just an ass

Ok, then to make certain; how would a judgment of yours be made and what is it that makes it what it is, be it an objective one?
I'm asking because I'm not entirely convinced us humans can be objective when it comes to matters regarding how someone is as a person or about what their achievements mean.

Indeed I've noticed how it is a sensitive thing to question matters that touch people personally, but whether it's BS or even results in some kind of exposing them, remains to be found out I'm afraid, as this is generally speaking.
Moreover, you know it could possibly result in them getting angry, and still continue doing this? How does that help anyone? Or am I mistaken in thinking you want to help others?

It's not a skill? How so?
You do as you wish, I just hope to shed some light on it all as it pains me to see how inconsiderate others can be to each other, rather, how some come to cheer these people on!

Hmm... House is a different topic, I'll leave it at that

 

[Frankenstein]

Ok, then to make certain; how would a judgment of yours be made and what is it that makes it what it is, be it an objective one?
I'm asking because I'm not entirely convinced us humans can be objective when it comes to matters regarding how someone is as a person or about what their achievements mean.

Indeed I've noticed how it is a sensitive thing to question matters that touch people personally, but whether it's BS or even results in some kind of exposing them, remains to be found out I'm afraid, as this is generally speaking.
Moreover, you know it could possibly result in them getting angry, and still continue doing this? How does that help anyone? Or am I mistaken in thinking you want to help others?

It's not a skill? How so?
You do as you wish, I just hope to she'd some light on it all as it pains me to see how inconsiderate others can be to each other, rather, how some come to cheer these people on!

Hmm... House is a different topic, I'll leave it at that

Well it's very very simple. Deep down, they are all objective. They just fool themselves 24/7.
So how is my judgement correct you ask? Simple. I am just never preoccupied and judge only through logic.

Oh no I am not that altruistic. That's what manipulators say : "I am not mean I want to help you". That's bullshit. If they get angry or anything that's their problem. I only say my honest opinion to their face. I am just straight-forward, I don't pretend to have some ulterior motive behind my sarcasm.
If you want to help someone, that's not the correct approach. When you go to a psychoanalyst he won't mock you. He will make you see your bullshit and help you confront them, but definitely not through sarcasm.

It's not a skill at all. It's just a matter of character. Some people don't care about not being honest because they will hurt the other and some do.

Yet again I think you are misunderstanding. Morons are very easy to spot. No big deal. These ones I mock. They rage , but they don't correct their mistakes or anything because of that. I just dislike idiotic comments/answers/statements and that's the reason I respond with sarcastic comments towards them.
People who pretend to be something they are not are not so easy to spot, but if you know a thing or two about psychology then you can do that too. Exposing their bullshit to them won't be helpful for them at all but it will help them know who they are dealing with and thus, serve as a way of not having to deal with their bullshit all the time.

 

[UchihaBrat]

Well it's very very simple. Deep down, they are all objective. They just fool themselves 24/7.
So how is my judgement correct you ask? Simple. I am just never preoccupied and judge only through logic.

Oh no I am not that altruistic. That's what manipulators say : "I am not mean I want to help you". That's bullshit. If they get angry or anything that's their problem. I only say my honest opinion to their face. I am just straight-forward, I don't pretend to have some ulterior motive behind my sarcasm.
If you want to help someone, that's not the correct approach. When you go to a psychoanalyst he won't mock you. He will make you see your bullshit and help you confront them, but definitely not through sarcasm.

It's not a skill at all. It's just a matter of character. Some people don't care about not being honest because they will hurt the other and some do.

Yet again I think you are misunderstanding. Morons are very easy to spot. No big deal. These ones I mock. They rage , but they don't correct their mistakes or anything because of that. I just dislike idiotic comments/answers/statements and that's the reason I respond with sarcastic comments towards them.
People who pretend to be something they are not are not so easy to spot, but if you know a thing or two about psychology then you can do that too. Exposing their bullshit to them won't be helpful for them at all but it will help them know who they are dealing with and thus, serve as a way of not having to deal with their bullshit all the time.

Hmm... You're playing a difficult to verify game here and I don't feel as if what I bring can convince you, so I'll let you have the last word here. Thank you for your time though!

However I will address the issue of it being skill or not:
I say it's both, both a trait making up the character of someone, but also skill as it is so similar in the way it is done; making remarks upon grammar, personality traits and so on. These aren't exactly things peculiar to just one single person, is it? It's rather something you can pick up from others, practice yourself and like a skill it is refined as things float along; you learn new words or rules to correct others with. Would you say I'm mistaken?

 

[Frankenstein]

Hmm... You're playing a difficult to verify game here and I don't feel as if what I bring can convince you, so I'll let you have the last word here. Thank you for your time though!

However I will address the issue of it being skill or not:
I say it's both, both a trait making up the character of someone, but also skill as it is so similar in the way it is done; making remarks upon grammar, personality traits and so on. These aren't exactly things peculiar to just one single person, is it? It's rather something you can pick up from others, practice yourself and like a skill it is refined as things float along; you learn new words or rules to correct others with. Would you say I'm mistaken?

Partly yes you are mistaken. And I will use dr. House to show my point.
The naturally sarcastic people, are just sarcastic. No skill , no imitating no nothing. I remember being like that since I was 10 or something. That's my character.
On the other hand, it has become quite a trend to be sassy and rude towards others. Some think they look like "badasses" or whatever when they mock somebody. Those watch House (or other characters like him) and masturbate to his lines, copy them and use them to show off. That's what you are saying and that's why you are partly correct. (instead of House one might imitate a real person but nowadays they tend to imitate what they see on TV/internet).

The copycats are usually pathetic asses with inferiority/superiority complexes who like to mock others in order to cover their own stupidity or the fact that they are themselves way weaker inside than they pretend to be.


(also, don't thank me for my time or anything, this is a forum and that's what we are supposed to do in it, discuss )