[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

[osieorb18]

Also, you say I am throwing shades on XTMF is nothing more than my doubts on him which only fair for me state them... also creating solid case is no big deal. It's really easy to find a contradiction in other posts, if you guys want me to create fake case on someone with solid reasoning then I can do so since you can take more than one route to someone else gameplay and their posts

You're setting yourself up to be scumread with posts like this.

 

[Houtarou]

Dude, you've just been jumping from one disingenous argument including TMI to another disingenuous argument including TMI. And your reads have conflicted with your tone to match. If you're not scum, which I highly doubt, you need to turn this ship around and play the game in a more honest manner. I'm not expecting it, since I'm thoroughly convinced that you are scum. But I'm still reading your posts and looking to see if there's a spark of townieness.

You're saying trust me Ansa is town is no different than me saying Alice and Ansa is town. They're my reads if you want a reason for them I have already presented but who cares, right? Since you want to lynch me and following this I am sure you're scum and trying to find tawniness... don't expect me to play with your methods since I don't really find them all this ideal at all

 

[osieorb18]

Also Osie you have been pushing quite hard. I don't like this approach and you've been ignoring what I am saying while acting like I am the one that ignoring you

Nah. I've been paying close attention to your posts and responding to them while pointing out that there's contradictions and false premises. You've just stayed on the defensive.

I'm tunneled on you, sure. But I've also seen zero reason not to be tunneled on you.

 

[Houtarou]

You're setting yourself up to be scumread with posts like this.

No, I am just telling you that creating a case on someone is no big deal... I can even create a solid case on my top town reads so yeah just because you have created solid case doesn't mean that person is bad

 

[osieorb18]

You're saying trust me Ansa is town is no different than me saying Alice and Ansa is town. They're my reads if you want a reason for them I have already presented but who cares, right? Since you want to lynch me and following this I am sure you're scum and trying to find tawniness... don't expect me to play with your methods since I don't really find them all this ideal at all

Gun-to-head, town or scum on each individual player in the game with at least (read:roughly) 20 words of real reasons for each one in the next 15 minutes. I can do that and I've spent only a couple days trying to form reads on this game. I don't believe that you can do so without disingenuity rearing its ugly head.

 

[Houtarou]

Nah. I've been paying close attention to your posts and responding to them while pointing out that there's contradictions and false premises. You've just stayed on the defensive.

I'm tunneled on you, sure. But I've also seen zero reason not to be tunneled on you.

I'm between defensive and offensive and I see more than enough reasons I have to be defensive since I'm mislynch here and if I am not going to be defensive then how should I clear myself but here you're trying to deny everything by one word: defensive. Wow

Go ahead do you want.

 

[osieorb18]

No, I am just telling you that creating a case on someone is no big deal... I can even create a solid case on my top town reads so yeah just because you have created solid case doesn't mean that person is bad

Read this as: "You town players shouldn't try to form reads because they might be wrong."

Try better.

 

[Houtarou]

Gun-to-head, town or scum on each individual player in the game with at least (read:roughly) 20 words of real reasons for each one in the next 15 minutes. I can do that and I've spent only a couple days trying to form reads on this game. I don't believe that you can do so without disingenuity rearing its ugly head.

If you think I can do that then why you have this notion I am doing TMI, shouldn't I just give my proper reads and win their trust without showing so-called TMI? Actully nvm, you said you're sure I can give reasons like that is nothing more than denying the whole existence of what I am saying

 

[Ansatsuken]

He is always desperate, check him out in the last game, or ISO his posts in the last game, he was town there and he used to push other townies through the whole game due to paranoia



null, he has reasonable posts, I never really played with him and if I do I don't remember anything
I will do a short ISO on him for now, I would like to vote Beeboat, because a third wagon could lead to more interesting EoD interactions.

Vote: Beeboat

Do you think scum gonna listen to your opinion about me. Don't mistaken. You should know why I kept tunneling Nova in the last game and Toujo in this game. All came with good reasons. And tbh I believe the one I'm tunneling here is scum.

 

[Houtarou]

Read this as: "You town players shouldn't try to form reads because they might be wrong."

Try better.

You twisting my words or you got comprehend issues. "A solid case can be created but it doesn't mean that player is bad" while you're saying I am scum because X created solid case on me

Try better

 

[osieorb18]

I'm between defensive and offensive and I see more than enough reasons I have to be defensive since I'm mislynch here and if I am not going to be defensive then how should I clear myself but here you're trying to deny everything by one word: defensive. Wow

Go ahead do you want.

Defensiveness. Shady soft pushes. Fearmongering. Intentional Misrepresentation of other players. Macro-micro contradictions (TMI in tone, particularly that contradicts reads). False premise arguments. Handwaving of people and arguments. Self-admitted attempts at manipulation of players away from correct results.

 

[osieorb18]

If you think I can do that then why you have this notion I am doing TMI, shouldn't I just give my proper reads and win their trust without showing so-called TMI? Actully nvm, you said you're sure I can give reasons like that is nothing more than denying the whole existence of what I am saying

I'm sure that if you are town, you either have or can reasonably form gun-to-head reads on people with reasoning. This exercise is MUCH harder for scum, and I don't believe that you can do it, because you're scum. But you've wasted 5 minutes already.

 

[Houtarou]

Defensiveness. Shady soft pushes. Fearmongering. Intentional Misrepresentation of other players. Macro-micro contradictions (TMI in tone, particularly that contradicts reads). False premise arguments. Handwaving of people and arguments. Self-admitted attempts at manipulation of players away from correct results.

First, tell me how you saying "Ansa is a town" any different than me saying "Alice and Ansa is town" one is TMI but other is not? I need answers. You're suspecting me for something you've been doing.

And so mentioning some bad points about someone is soft push... well yeah if they have some bad points give me a reason I shouldn't point them out? Oh, because people like you will call them soft push?

 

[Houtarou]

I'm sure that if you are town, you either have or can reasonably form gun-to-head reads on people with reasoning. This exercise is MUCH harder for scum, and I don't believe that you can do it, because you're scum. But you've wasted 5 minutes already.

I don't where you going with this. Do you think as scum I can create reads or not?

 

[osieorb18]

Defensiveness. Shady soft pushes. Fearmongering. Intentional Misrepresentation of other players. Macro-micro contradictions (TMI in tone, particularly that contradicts reads). False premise arguments. Handwaving of people and arguments. Self-admitted attempts at manipulation of players away from correct results.

And this is my case, not XTMF's. A case that I've expressed. Unlike your lack of case on me. While clearly townreading me at times. While calling me scum.

 

[Houtarou]

And this is my case, not XTMF's. A case that I've expressed. Unlike your lack of case on me. While clearly townreading me at times. While calling me scum.

Well you're not in the place of saying this when I was your strongest town read starting of this phase but then Strongest scum read when you saw I am getting lynch. So yeah you're in no place of saying that my change of intention are scum inductive

 

[Houtarou]

VoteLynch: beeBoat

 

[osieorb18]

First, tell me how you saying "Ansa is a town" any different than me saying "Alice and Ansa is town" one is TMI but other is not? I need answers. You're suspecting me for something you've been doing.

And so mentioning some bad points about someone is soft push... well yeah if they have some bad points give me a reason I shouldn't point them out? Oh, because people like you will call them soft push?

I haven't commented at all about you saying Alice and Ansa is town. My noticing TMI is when it's subtler than your declared reads.

And again, another misrepresentation. You're not arguing against XTMF here. You've made post after post saying that anyone who thinks you're scum must be scum in turn while pleading to us one after another as if you believe that we're town. People aren't biting. People aren't convinced.

I'm going to bed.

 

[osieorb18]

Well you're not in the place of saying this when I was your strongest town read starting of this phase but then Strongest scum read when you saw I am getting lynch. So yeah you're in no place of saying that my change of intention are scum inductive

You've never been my strongest townread, as I already said. Clearly you aren't reading my posts, or you'd know that.

Toujo was my strongest townread on D2. Ansa is my strongest townread as of near the start of this day phase.

Good night.

 

[Houtarou]

I haven't commented at all about you saying Alice and Ansa is town. My noticing TMI is when it's subtler than your declared reads.

This is the only TMI we're talking about in my case but tries all you want it's no different than what you did lol

And again, another misrepresentation. You're not arguing against XTMF here. You've made post after post saying that anyone who thinks you're scum must be scum in turn while pleading to us one after another as if you believe that we're town. People aren't biting. People aren't convinced.

What do you mean? Can you point out where I said whoever scum reading me must be scum?