[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

[TheLukundo]

what do you think of ansa?

Guess

 

[Aether9]

tbh ryu is scummy but to me his conversation with poison seemed legit to me

 

[Aether9]

Guess

no I mean you played with him before right? so what does this behavior looks like to you if you judge him by meta?

 

[Ryu Kishi]

Then why are you voting Kyte, for pushing someone who's scum from your PoV, Toujo seem to be happy to Lynch Kyte, doesn't that seem odd to you? I'm not saying it's one or the other, but in your case, I'm not sure why you're voting Kyte if you still think Toujo is scum, his argument was better crafted than yours. What am I missing here?

There is something of about Kyte, I'm not sure if he is Mafia or third.

Like, this. Why is he going along with Kyte's lynch when he thinks I'm scum? How does that make any sense? Does he think Kyte and I are distancing?

I don't think you and Kyte are on same team.

 

[Toujo]

There is something of about Kyte, I'm not sure if he is Mafia or third.

I don't think you and Kyte are on same team.

This just sounds like you're indie hunting tbh.

 

[XTMF]

Well, what can I say I'm such a crazy fan of such Drama EoD. In any case, yes, there, too, was a time where I had strongly scum read Toujo. However, after poison lynch I can't do anything but give them a benefit of doubt, I don't certainly clear them entirely but I don't see much point hanging to their lynch either. Currently, Toujo being town would be tangible, then him being scum.

At some point of the last phase I did suspect Toujo but I decide to delay that because I did not want to engage in an argument with him for one simple reason it would have gotten me nowhere but an insensible endless argument but I did fleshed out my points here and there

I agree with this. I don't think anyone is saying that Ratchet is confirmed town, but him being the counter wagon to scum should buy him at LEAST an extra day phase. The fact that people aren't going harder against the people that protected Poison is pretty crazy to me. I mean, Ratchet shouldn't even be considered a vote this phase.

 

[XTMF]

What kind of read is this?

-Looks like an amateur level read
-He kept majority of players in Null area. He avoided to provide read on many players for what reason? I think I know the reason.
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OK HERE,






Look at his reply here. Why he acting like that?

"And er, I haven't really had the motivation to do so yet."

^^^^
look at this statement, tell me what you all think about it? Toujo displaying the resistance/hesitation to read Poison.


"I should get to it tomorrow"

And than this statement,

As you all can see here, Toujo has said that but after doing an inspection I found nothing. There was no any read on Poison I can found from Toujo. Toujo has lied to XTMG, Toujo lied to us. He was avoiding to give us his read on Poison


AND BELOW IS THE PROVE,



Please focus at the bold part. The part that he talked about Poison. Look what he said there,

"Poison, but I haven't explicitly gone into that."

It tells that Toujo never really took Poison seriously. He never seriously reading Poison.
There was a huge time frame until that post that provides Toujo with lots of room and opportunity to read, sort, prod, and make a case against Poison. But I get this instead,

"Poison, but I haven't explicitly gone into that."

What?????

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So look, how unnatural was Toujo's DP1 progression towards his Poison vote.


@XTMG

Toujo has lied to you, Toujo gave your read on Poison a credit and he used your read for his vote on Poison, Toujo never had serious read on Poison, Toujo is pocketing you XTMG.

If you don't start calling me X, I'm going to slap the shit out of you.

Tell me, why did Ratchet think it was smart to potentially bus his teammate in D1?

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Let me try to add some context here,

Soulkiller, the host has in a number of games played in a way similar to Toujo, he'd post a lot of content, but the information to post length is usually quite small, also because it's long and complex, some players would just skim through it and and assume, he's game solving. He has gotten away it more than a few times, so I believe that's why a few people on this site are wary of Toujo, infact, my paranoid theory is that his character is the princess lol! I'm not at the paranoid level yet so I'm not pursuing that ( although I'm tempted) so you may not agree with Kyte, but he has a point, and sacrificing a mafia player to gain town cred is not farfetched, although in this case, I see no reason why though.

I guess what I'm trying to say is Kyte EOD actions by itself is not enough to conclude he's scum. I'll ISO him again if time permits

 

[TheLukundo]

no I mean you played with him before right? so what does this behavior looks like to you if you judge him by meta?

I’m actually a decent reader of Ansa and have fucked him in all his scum games when I play (I at least pushed him, resulting in 1 of us dying) and he looks like scum.

 

[Kyte_]

@Kyte_ what do you think about the current situation?

The current situation is basically a reflection of some people's misjudgment and lack of insight.

I had noticed Toujo's play early on in D1 and decided to push him into a lynch before moving further into the game. On the other hand, he goes on and picks a "scum read" on his fellow team member early on, so that if either wind up revealed, the other may gain some advantage in having seemed against them. At the time, Poison was kinda inactive, multiple people had suspected her, and Touji had also picked up his "fight" with Poison in coordination to my increasing pressure. Poison ended up dead wit barely any resistance from her.

I thought Poison was a relatively easy-lynch that is less significant and can be looked into further into the game, so I denied it in favor of Taujo- who survives. Now i'm being viewed as the someone who countered the lynch of my scum mate. Some want to lynch me for information. Heck, lynch him for information; I've proposed he's scum, and I've only used reason to talk about it since then, while he has near to nothing to say about me besides: D-d-don't act like you don't know me, you're using my playstyle against me.

Why is it that difficult to understand that bussing is valid. And is more valid here than ever. Heck, I've personally seen players wipe out their entire team trying to ride that wave to final victory.
Why the hell would I take this route of if I were scum?! Am I that eager to defend my scum mate that early into the game?! When -PK- was getting wind of suspicion in my last game, I went ham on him next day phase and drifted him into the lynch stage myself, at a time I wasn't lacking any trust from town.

My case on him is crystal clear, i've said it over and over, until the point he and everyone ignored it. Just ISO my post.
My last try:

Unlike Touji ofc, who's best feats were gaslighting, nitpicking, and even patronizing players by making statements like "is he a troll?" or "LOL this is funny" and then flooding them with a chunk of his fallacies or even grammar, and literature, to divert the spotlight and belittle their argument. That's him in a nutshell; a guy who projects his strengths on players to hide his short-comings. The same guy who makes a fuss out the very lone word in his objector's post, has not only failed to address his issues i've pointed to him, but also to make a case on me, and I'm forced to take that vote as a spiteful counter.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

There is something of about Kyte, I'm not sure if he is Mafia or third.

I don't think you and Kyte are on same team.

Can you please tell us what that something is/means? Say it as it is in your mind. I don't like vagueness please

 

[XTMF]

Yea I agree. Getting rid of Poison for some extra town cred specially when you keep in mind the abilities that Poison had is a silly move in the first phase itself. Toujo had options of RGK and Ryu who he had already mentioned as one of his scum reads so why kill you own overpowered teammate for town cred when there was a better alternative available.

Adding to this. Toujo has so far come off as a very cocky player. Now this is just me reaching here but a player with his experience and attitude I can imagine wanting to demolish the town team without even losing a single scum mate.
Its been the mentality of every good Scum player I have played with. They only wanted to lose a scum mate when the situation was becoming a bit messy for them to handle.

Not to mention, again, that based on the write-up and flavor in this game, I think that Princess Maschenny was invincible and untouchable until one of her teammates died. If that's the case, why would you openly bus a teammate in D1 and then expose the scum leader like that?

 

[Ansatsuken]

Those of you voting Kyte, if it's based on that fact that he was pushing for Toujo last EOD then you should really rethink. There's basis for him wanting to push for that, read his interaction with Toujo, and Ryu Kishi also shared some of the points, but what's interesting is at some point he let it go.

Am I saying he couldn't be scum? No, but if you can't see from his perspective then I don't know what to say

Also I just want to point out that Toujo took a different approach to DP1, is it because of Kyte, Houtarou, and Ryu's concerns? Only he can answer that, it's NAI by itself though

@Ryu Kishi @Houtarou you both have voted Kyte, but you both also shared similar concerns towards Toujo, what's your stance on him now? How does he compare to DP1?

@Ansatsuken what are your thoughts currently?

@Alice in Noodleland you seem quiet today, I expect more observation from you

@beeboat reads please

I don't know what to say. My mind, body and soul really believe that Kyte is Town and Toujo is scum. But no one want to believe it. Ok, I know. I can't control people's thinking. People have freedom to make their own decision. That's not for me dictate. I understand that. I'm not going to force anyone here. I have done my part to help town like looking back at Poison's posts to look for Scum and Town. My scum read are Toujo, Aether9 and Beebot if not Rej. From my ISO on Poison I found and believe that AL, Ryu and Lukundo are townie. I think Alice is Town(Reason: Lynched Poison and I didn't see that as an attempt of bussing). I'm not really sure about PK, Null. I also think Poison's lynch solidifies Imperfection's position as not a mafia. Poison's reaction/response towards Imperfection's beginner analysis looks like she was trying to throw a bad light on Imperfection. I also think RGK is Town.

 

[Ansatsuken]

This is horrible.

Like I care.

 

[XTMF]

Why I feel some conversations seemed like I'm talking with a kids

I've been having that same feeling discussing things with you. It's like I never left the classroom.

 

[TheLukundo]

Like I care.

You will.

 

[Kyte_]

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Well I never saw what they were getting at Day 1. Tbh if Town I think they've played extremely sub optimally and mostly based on paranoia. I've tried to see the town cases for all 3, but here's what I have:

Kyte has pretended to not be familiar with me. He has then used that pretense to push a lynch. However you look at it, he has no reason to do that as town.

Hou I kinda want to be town. But I dislike his insistence that one of myself or Kyte must be scum, he pushed it day 1 too. His push last phase felt opportunistic too. Between him and Kyte, I think he's less suspicious, but only because of Kyte knowing me from elsewhere.

Ryu is probably just scum. He's yet to explain why he went from voting me, to voting Poison, to having the votes reset to voting me again. Makes me think he never really intended to vote Poison. I'm a little hesitant because it all feels a bit too easy but I'm struggling to see his town motivation here. Like the guy said he played one game with me and thinks he can judge meta from that. He's been very quiet today too. If Kyte as scum, I'll probably be voting Ryu next.

Are you for real? Could you not draw another straw?!

I fuckin* told you that it's precisely because I know you that Im even more confident reading your scum play

 

[XTMF]

VoteLynch : JUST_RED

My reasons for voting: I think she might be stalling since she just provided one read Al_sama who was null. [unless I missed smth]
Also it looked to me she was scumreading Rej just after one sentence despite her long iso on Al_sama.

I will be back before EoD and I am willing to hear Just Red out.

Could you take a look at the conversation between me and Just Red? It's at the beginning of this phase.

Or, you know, could anyone?

 

[XTMF]

It's almost like you've got no intention to actually get a read on me, and will almost certainly use this to deflect when my lynch reflects poorly on you. Christ, if you're somehow fucking Town I'm going to scream.

How the hell do you get to swear but it's bleeped out for me? ****.

 

[Aether9]

@beeboat @Tigerrr in the woods

hope the mention worked this time, whats your thoughts on this lynch?