[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

SoulKiller

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Vote Tally:

Ansatsuken:
Toujo > Aether9 > Toujo
X: Kyte
Elmage G Ace: Al_sama > no one
Alice in Noodleland: Al_sama
The Lukundo: Houtarou
Toujo: Kyte
Ryu Kishi : Aether9
Kyte : Toujo
Aether 9 : Kyte
AL : Rej

Vote Count:

Kyte x3
Toujo x2
Aether9 x1
Al_sama x1
Houtarou x1
Rej x1

~Players~ :

1- @Toujo
2- @Imperfection
3- @Just_Red
5- @Alice in Noodleland
6- @Tigerrr in the woods
7- @Rej
8- @Ryu Kishi
9- @Ansatsuken
10- @Houtarou
11- @TheLukundo
12 - @beeboat
13- @Aether9
14 - @AL_sama
15 @RedGloverKing
16 - @-PK-
18- @Kyte_
19- @Elmage G Ace
20- @XTMF

Countdown to DP2 LESS THAN 24 HOURS LEFT!

 

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I'm sure you are also aware of this, Kyte, but right now you've to alienate yourself from the dominating majority in the game thread that supports Toujo due to their vote on Poison. It probably is best if you simply give your focus to other players, since appearing to only concern about Toujo will get you nowhere my friend. Not this phase, he has force within him
If that was an alternative, I'd have chosen it. But unfortunately, unlike Poison's lynch, this one is the real leading starting-point. I'm a little disappointed, but it's fine if my words don't hold much value now. Just engraving it serves the purpose.

That is not to say that I will let myself go down easily, ofc.
 

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Now I'm certain that Poison and Toujo interaction are already considered to be T vs. W by the surroundings and right now I kinda do agree with this.
If that was the case someone like Toujo logically should easily can spotted the flaw and the scumminest in Poison's play much early and not in 6 hours before EoD(Yes I know this. Because before I went to sleep I've checked the countdown time).

He doesn't need to look too much into fallacy but Poison's play style/how her approach this game.

Like how XTMF read Poison.

I didn't see any ISO on Poison from Toujo.
 

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Btw @-PK- requires to be more active

and @TheLukundo, you can't stay deprived of any solid stances and effectual posts for long. Jump between votes without a reasonable justification like you did last DP won't make the cut either.
 

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If that was the case someone like Toujo logically should easily can spotted the flaw and the scumminest in Poison's play much early and not in 6 hours before EoD(Yes I know this. Because before I went to sleep I've checked the countdown time).
As for whether Toujo is scum or town is an entirely different matter, years of experience won't make you read someone flawlessly it will just help you to be more logical and arguments being more fleshed out
 

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As for whether Toujo is scum or town is an entirely different matter, years of experience won't make you read someone flawlessly it will just help you to be more logical and arguments being more fleshed out
I mean, i did spot that Poison was scummy. She was on my scumlist for most of the Day anyway. Like I said, i just didn't have the time to go through the whole thread and quote wall Poison, and when X did so, I had little reason to go and do it as I agreed with most of his interpretations and conclusions. I did bring some new scummy behaviour she had shown to the table that X didn't point out, and used that as my rationale when people asked. To say I only just started suspecting her 6 hours before EoD is ludicrous.
 

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Also, given your current deflected stance on the matter, @Houtarou Let me ask what made you have a sudden burst in intention to lynch Toujo at the EOD?

What factors have changed that you now support him, exactly? Rather why have you persistently vouched for his lynch then?
 

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and that why we're potentially scum-mates, you say?
lack of interaction while he doesn't have interaction with anyone in the thread he doesn't also have with you or neither with poison. I'm just kind of eliminating all possible town reads and people I think can't be a teammate with Poison hence this
 

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Also, given your current deflected stance on the matter, @Houtarou Let me ask what made you have a sudden burst in intention to lynch Toujo at the EOD?

What factors have changed that you now support him, exactly? Rather why have you persistently vouched for his lynch then?
Well, what can I say I'm such a crazy fan of such Drama EoD. In any case, yes, there, too, was a time where I had strongly scum read Toujo. However, after poison lynch I can't do anything but give them a benefit of doubt, I don't certainly clear them entirely but I don't see much point hanging to their lynch either. Currently, Toujo being town would be tangible, then him being scum.

At some point of the last phase I did suspect Toujo but I decide to delay that because I did not want to engage in an argument with him for one simple reason it would have gotten me nowhere but an insensible endless argument but I did fleshed out my points here and there
 
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You - null (I think my scumradar was picking playstyle clashes, though you seem to have faded back considerably since them...)
X - town slight town but he's playing pretty well here. I liked his poison case
Ryu - either scum or just atrocious, good lynch imo
Poison - heavily stalled, promised certain things and never came back to them, seems pretty frozen to me. Deflected when I asked why she couldnt have done something with her posts to "I was inactive", never came back to address it. If I'm being objective, she should be the lynch today.

That's the core I'm at right now. Couple more players but it's been a while since I really talked to them so they've slipped to null?
What kind of read is this?

-Looks like an amateur level read
-He kept majority of players in Null area. He avoided to provide read on many players for what reason? I think I know the reason.
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OK HERE,

Also, might be a tinfoil thought, but the fact that I've had my vote on Poison the entire game combined with the fact that several people have claimed to find Poison scummy, there has been every opportunity to start a wagon, but there hasn't even been a hint of that happening. Good be nothing, but perhaps there is a reason that this wagon hasn't happened yet.
I can only speak for myself, and say I haven't moved my vote because I'd like to go back through Poison's posts before committing to a lynch there. And er, I haven't really had the motivation to do so yet. I should get to it tomorrow.

Look at his reply here. Why he acting like that?

"And er, I haven't really had the motivation to do so yet."

^^^^

look at this statement, tell me what you all think about it? Toujo displaying the resistance/hesitation to read Poison.


"I should get to it tomorrow"

And than this statement,


As you all can see here, Toujo has said that but after doing an inspection I found nothing. There was no any read on Poison I can found from Toujo. Toujo has lied to XTMG, Toujo lied to us. He was avoiding to give us his read on Poison


AND BELOW IS THE PROVE,

Poison, but I haven't explicitly gone into that. Michelle, but I pointed them out and haven't seen much repetition of them since. Glover was a pressure vote, it's still there because er, his performance so far has left a lot to be desired. Imperfection made some poor arguments, but I wouldn't say they had to be fallacious. Luk hasn't really made any as far as I can tell, but he doesn't seem the kind to engage in much logical debate anyway so I'm going to have a tricky time reading him.

You'll also note that I made sizable posts pointing out where Ryu and Kyte made them.
Please focus at the bold part. The part that he talked about Poison. Look what he said there,

"Poison, but I haven't explicitly gone into that."

It tells that Toujo never really took Poison seriously. He never seriously reading Poison.
There was a huge time frame until that post that provides Toujo with lots of room and opportunity to read, sort, prod, and make a case against Poison. But I get this instead,

"Poison, but I haven't explicitly gone into that."

What?????

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So look, how unnatural was Toujo's DP1 progression towards his Poison vote.



@XTMG

Toujo has lied to you, Toujo gave your read on Poison a credit and he used your read for his vote on Poison, Toujo never had serious read on Poison, Toujo is pocketing you XTMG.
 
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Taijo was in a bad position, but so was Poison. What makes you think that either of them would not take the opportunity to take part in the lynch wagon, and gain town credit?

Do you remember in my last game where I went over and beyond to lead the lynch wagon on @-PK- after i had bussed him for several DPs, and how effective it was? (it was better executed than the Poison - Taujo case, but that's beside the point)

It's really not uncommon among players, if they can weigh the consequences vs. drawbacks right.

@TheLukundo
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I expected Toujo to be another scum beside Poison so of course, my initial lynch focus lies on more experienced player than someone I can lynch any time of the day. I myself am not really a person that'd go out of his way and start a case on a player 40+ hours early before the phase ends, I was waiting for the opportunity and good time to start my lynch on Toujo well I wouldn't know how that come across to others, but it was well executed from my side.

Like I'm type sort that would finish things off neatly without making any unnecessary movements until necessary. That's what exactly I did when I decide not to bother arguing with Toujo knowing it won't get me anywhere but in oblivious and lowkey just mentioned my doubts on him here and there. It was this post where I decide to go for Toujo but still not trying to appear apparent;

On the stage, it may come across scummy to you but that'd be expected when you're trying to make crazy gameplay but ask yourself would I try to defend Poison when her lynch most likely is absolute and would try to lynch another player who may not even get lynched? if I just wanted to save poison I would have gone for Glover who was the most ideal option at that point to save poison.
It might have looked well executed to you but I think it came off as messy to me.
I went through that post of yours and I am not gonna lie, while catching up a lot of what you said is what I was thinking of Toujo. So yea I'll give you this.
Tell me this tho. Poison was scum. There are definitely 3 more alive.

Connecting Toujo and Poison tho. Hm What makes you think Toujo went for Poison instead of Glover or even Ryu Kishi.
There was plenty of time in the phase at that moment to switch votes to another person and they didn't need to have to sacrifice a scum mate this quick.
 
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