[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

[Kyte_]

This is the third time in the game you've completely misunderstood something and used it to shape your narrative. You think I'm coming after you because you voted Ratchet? I mean, your EOD play was bad, but there's more to your game that's been bad than just that.

XTMF, Before this post, you said:

I think specific focus needs to be applied to Hou and Kyte, who were the vocal leaders on getting Ratchet lynched.

Not only is this what you said, but it is the only thing you had said about me in the context of me looking "bad". So no, i'm not misunderstanding you. You're planning to take Toujo's alignment for granted.

at the EOD, I was desperately pushing Ratchet indeed. Not much I could do after I typed walls of text on his case. Also, defending Poison was for the sore purpose. I've started pushing Touji far before Poison was even being interrogated. Ofc that's not to say, i didn't town-read Poison; I did town-read her, and I stand by what I said about her earlier anyways.

Is that all you could address in my post? Address my points about Touji, that you have been turning a blind eye on, for the past 72 hours.

We have twenty players in this game. I find it extremely hard to believe that D1 went so smoothly for town that we caught two scum at the same time and put them up against each other. I also refuse to believe that a four-man scum team (which feels likely to me) would allow that to happen without an attempt to steer it anywhere else. I mean for all the Al and Glover talk, I didn't once believe they'd be lynched over Poison or Ratchet. I'm not saying Ratchet couldn't be scum or is 100 cleared as town, but the fact that there are people, including yourself, that are trying to push the narrative that Poison and Ratchet just bussed from the get go is a tough pill to swallow and frankly should be considered scummy. The fact that Poison and Ratchet were basically the only two viable options for 80 hours as well makes it mind-boggling to me that we'd lynch a wolf and then instantly go after that other wagon when there was way more suspicious play from other players.

Seriously?! Your logic not that of an experienced player.

In parallel to the rise in suspicions on him on D1, it's only logical that he would buss his teammate. This is just fine play really.

 

[Kyte_]

So @Kyte before I get a crazy case going against you, you need to address these two posts. I called you out on your analysis of my read on Poison and you put words into my mouth. I never said she was carefree or avoidant and that wasn't even what I hung the majority of my case on. The fact that this is the narrative you took in order to dismiss my case against Poison really pinged me the wrong way.

Then there's this blatantly false comment on how Ansa's Ratchet vote and the Blast happened close together, which couldn't be further from the truth, and I honestly don't know how you get that confused. It looks like you were throwing it out there that Ratchet could have been the one saved from the Blast which just isn't true at all. Both of these posts by you look to discredit the Poison case while adding even more suspicion to the Ratchet case. These are not good posts at all.

So did you say it or not? You contradicted yourself in the same line, just to add more sauce to your post..?!

This was my take on your perception;
- Carefree - Due to the abundance of fluff in her opening posts, her easy-going behavior, and for promising to come back to address the game yet never doing so.
- Avoidant - She didn't even counter the arguments against her. She had either pushed them away, attributed it to her inactivity, or ignored them.

Poison was an easy lynch in my book, and I don't usually lynch someone when the whole accusations we suspect him for, could be justified if he has a valid reason for his inactivity IRL. I can relate.

Then there's this blatantly false comment on how Ansa's Ratchet vote and the Blast happened close together, which couldn't be further from the truth, and I honestly don't know how you get that confused.

Oh, really?

... Oh really?! I've lost count of how many times I've addressed this. If you would be too generous to tell how is it blatantly false I'll entertain you, otherwise, just go back and see where I've explained my thought there.

 

[Kyte_]

Alright I’m gonna start here.

Michelle’s last suspicions seemed to have been mostly at RGK, but while trying to get RGK lynch no one was going with it and they switched for a Toujo lynch. Toujo lynch ofc didn’t take off, and poison flipped scum. RGK however I am a little hesitant to say could be scum because of this, since he was one of the first voters on poison earlier.

Toujo seemed to have been pretty adamant on Poison lynch which I feel is a good sign he’s town.
Ansa made a good point that it feels odd that oreki and kyte would try so hard to save poison if they knew that failure would just lead to them being under major suspicion. At the same time, I’m still trying to figure out why Toujo was so under suspicion. I may have to go back and read some things.
I have some concerns with the non voters of last phase, and I mean before the event even went off that reset the votes. It feels like a reason a few people may have abstained from voting was to not take any responsibility.

Taijo was in a bad position, but so was Poison. What makes you think that either of them would not take the opportunity to take part in the lynch wagon, and gain town credit?

Do you remember in my last game where I went over and beyond to lead the lynch wagon on @-PK- after i had bussed him for several DPs, and how effective it was? (it was better executed than the Poison - Taujo case, but that's beside the point)

It's really not uncommon among players, if they can weigh the consequences vs. drawbacks right.

@TheLukundo

 

[Kyte_]

Kyte

I'm just tired of going up to everyone and ask them "why?"

 

[Kyte_]

If possible to follow the correct format "VoteLynch: (playername)"

Thanks.

Sorry, I'll keep that in mind.

VoyeLync: Toujo

 

[Premfection]

Taijo was in a bad position, but so was Poison. What makes you think that either of them would not take the opportunity to take part in the lynch wagon, and gain town credit?

Do you remember in my last game where I went over and beyond to lead the lynch wagon on @-PK- after i had bussed him for several DPs, and how effective it was? (it was better executed than the Poison - Taujo case, but that's beside the point)

It's really not uncommon among players, if they can weigh the consequences vs. drawbacks right.

@TheLukundo

I dont see Toujo lynching Poison for town credit entirely out of the realm of possibility but it feels far fetched to me.
Would Toujo trade up a scum teammate with the crazy abilities she had just for some town credit? I get what youre saying but it just doesn't feel like the wisest move to make. Especially because Toujo was pushing poison rather a lot, and early even before votes reset if i remember correctly.

 

[Premfection]

Do you remember in my last game where I went over and beyond to lead the lynch wagon on @-PK- after i had bussed him for several DPs, and how effective it was? (it was better executed than the Poison - Taujo case, but that's beside the point)

Also sorry i dont really, i was rather lost in that game lol

But ah okay, I see your point.

 

[Kyte_]

I dont see Toujo lynching Poison for town credit entirely out of the realm of possibility but it feels far fetched to me.
Would Toujo trade up a scum teammate with the crazy abilities she had just for some town credit? I get what youre saying but it just doesn't feel like the wisest move to make. Especially because Toujo was pushing poison rather a lot, and early even before votes reset if i remember correctly.

That's precisely what I'm saying. He would be pushing Poison in parallel to the raising suspicion on him as the day progressed, all so he'd jump on her at his convenient moment if the situation implied. Poison was already a major suspect to multiple players beside him, and so was Taujo.

Think about it, whoever had ended up dead for the last DP out of the two, it would serve to clear the air around the other.

 

[XTMF]

Yeah, not seeing a reason to move my vote from Kyte here.

 

[Premfection]

That's precisely what I'm saying. He would be pushing Poison in parallel to the raising suspicion on him as the day progressed, all so he'd jump on her at his convenient moment if the situation implied. Poison was already a major suspect to multiple players beside him, and so was Taujo.

Think about it, whoever had ended up dead for the last DP out of the two, it would serve to clear the air around the other.

I'm sorry but I'm not too convinced. I'm taking my time to digest this, though.

For DP1... especially, would it be best for mafia to push for a lynch on another mafia? Also do you think that poison and the rest of the mafia team would be perfectly okay with this plan? Poison did seem stressed out playing two games... what are your thoughts on that?

And what about poison's abilities? I feel theyre way powerful. Do you think that giving those up and gaining town credit for poison lynch is more helpful to scum than keeping her around?

 

[Kyte_]

Yeah, not seeing a reason to move my vote from Kyte here.

Usually, it's only when you have to reason to cast your vote on Kyte that you do not see a reason to move it from him.

 

[Houtarou]

I'm just tired of going up to everyone and ask them "why?"

PoE. I do indeed suspect Toujo but I don't think he should be main focus right now

 

[Ansatsuken]

I dont see Toujo lynching Poison for town credit entirely out of the realm of possibility but it feels far fetched to me.
Would Toujo trade up a scum teammate with the crazy abilities she had just for some town credit? I get what youre saying but it just doesn't feel like the wisest move to make. Especially because Toujo was pushing poison rather a lot, and early even before votes reset if i remember correctly.

He pushed Poison from TMI play.

And I believe that Poison has chose to withdraw and chose lynch over subbing out.

Yes, I guess it's a tough decision for Mafia team to take. But it happened

 

[Ansatsuken]

Just believe in us @Imperfection

 

[Kyte_]

PoE. I do indeed suspect Toujo but I don't think he should be main focus right now

there's a difference between being in your PoE and being your main suspect. I don't find PoE's to be too relevant this early on, as there should quite a few in there by default.

Anyways, it's quite the opposite for me, I have an eye out for multiple players and acts that I want to point out, but I'm mainly pursuing Touji until he's lynched, which I see as a perfect starting point.

 

[Houtarou]

there's a difference between being in your PoE and being your main suspect. I don't find PoE's to be too relevant this early on, as there should quite a few in there by default.

Anyways, it's quite the opposite for me, I have an eye out for multiple players and acts that I want to point out, but I'm mainly pursuing Touji until he's lynched, which I see as a perfect starting point.

I'm sure you are also aware of this, Kyte, but right now you've to alienate yourself from the dominating majority in the game thread that supports Toujo due to their vote on Poison. It probably is best if you simply give your focus to other players, since appearing to only concern about Toujo will get you nowhere my friend. Not this phase, he has force within him

 

[Kyte_]

I'm sorry but I'm not too convinced. I'm taking my time to digest this, though.

For DP1... especially, would it be best for mafia to push for a lynch on another mafia? Also do you think that poison and the rest of the mafia team would be perfectly okay with this plan? Poison did seem stressed out playing two games... what are your thoughts on that?

And what about poison's abilities? I feel theyre way powerful. Do you think that giving those up and gaining town credit for poison lynch is more helpful to scum than keeping her around?

No, it's not the best thing to do, and I don't think they had it schemed out to be that early. But the situation entails a change of plans.

I think Poison had never planned to counter

I've gone back and it actually seems to me that she probably has a lower-tier role compared to the rest, as I'd expect of the role-cop holder. Not to mention, that Toujo is a level higher than her as a player, I think

Now, these are mere speculations, maybe. But what I'm conveying here is that your logic that "since Toujo was on the Poison's wagon, he can't be scum" is flaud. The reason I suspect him is much broader than that.

Unlike Touji ofc, who's best feats were gaslighting, nitpicking, and even patronizing players by making statements like "is he a troll?" or "LOL this is funny" and then flooding them with a chunk of his fallacies or even grammar, and literature, to divert the spotlight and belittle their argument. That's him in a nutshell; a guy who projects his strengths on players to hide his short-comings. The same guy who makes a fuss out the very lone word in his objector's post, has not only failed to address his issues i've pointed to him, but also to make a case on me, and I'm forced to take that vote as a spiteful counter.

Speaking of which, have you read my analysis to Toujo's opening interaction with you?

 

[Ansatsuken]

ChangeVote: Toujo

 

[Houtarou]

Now I'm certain that Poison and Toujo interaction are already considered to be T vs. W by the surroundings and right now I kinda do agree with this.

 

[Premfection]

Speaking of which, have you read my analysis to Toujo's opening interaction with you?

Yea I was reading that a bit earlier actually. I'm still going through past posts trying to figure out Toujo suspicion. Dont have anything to give right now, but my intention is to continue going through those in order to understand better whats going on.