[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

[AL_sama]

Before the vote nullification thingy, how big of a counter was AL?

counter as in??

 

[TheLukundo]

counter as in??

Counterwagon. Vote wise.

 

[AL_sama]

I checked and although AL was the CW, he wasn’t by a few votes.

oh i had 0 votes

 

[TheLukundo]

oh i had 0 votes

You had 1 at the time of the null.

 

[AL_sama]

You had 1 at the time of the null.

that was after reset if I m not wrong

 

[TheLukundo]

Oi @Toujo what do you think of me after yesterday?

 

[TheLukundo]

that was after reset if I m not wrong

No. Just before. You had 1 vote from...

 

[TheLukundo]

...from beeboat

 

[TheLukundo]

Vote Tally :

Thelukundo : Michelle > unvote > poison chan > imperfection > no one > Houtarou > Imperfection > Al_Sama > Just_Red > Al_Sama > Just_Red > null
AL : Ryu Kishi > Rej > null
Michelle : Toujo > Al_Sama > no one > RedGloverKing > null
X : Poison Chan > null
Toujo : RedGloverKing > Ryu Kishi > Poison chan > null > Poison Chan
Beeboat : Aether9 > Al_Sama > null
Ryu Kishi : Aether9 > Toujo > Poison chan > null
Aether9 : Ryu Kishi > Beeboat >Ryu Kishi > null
RedGloverKing : Poison chan > no one > imperfection > no one > null
Ansatsuken : Thelukundo > no one > Al_Sama > no one > Toujo > null
Alice in Noodleland : TheLukundo > null
Tigerrr in the woods : Poison chan > no one > null
Kyte_ : Toujo > null
Rej : RedGloverKing > null
Imperfection : TheLukundo > null

Vote Count

Poison Chan x1



~Players~ :

1- @Toujo
2- @Imperfection
3- @Just_Red
4- @Michelle
5- @Alice in Noodleland
6- @Tigerrr in the woods
7- @Rej
8- @Ryu Kishi
9- @Ansatsuken
10- @Houtarou
11- @TheLukundo
12 - @beeboat
13- @Aether9
14 - @AL_sama
15 @RedGloverKing
16 - @-PK-
17- @Poison chan
18- @Kyte_
19- @Elmage G Ace
20- @XTMF


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[Ansatsuken]

This

This doesn’t explain why you’d lead a lynch on them tho. Especially as they’re a townlean, no matter how thin. Also your explanation sounds really bad like it was so you can change and buss. It feels horrible.

And that's why I'm asking people opinion and input first about Poison before I can lead the lynch.

Yeah I'm trying to lead Poison lynch here. But first I need more input.

He also missed that/never really cared about that.

When I'm town I'm very reasonable.

 

[Toujo]

Oi @Toujo what do you think of me after yesterday?

I felt like you dropped off quite a bit as the day went by, but with everything else going on you dropped off my radar. You were thrown up as a counter wagon too, so I don't think you're a priority today

 

[Toujo]

I felt like you dropped off quite a bit as the day went by, but with everything else going on you dropped off my radar. You were thrown up as a counter wagon too, so I don't think you're a priority today

Which is to say, I guess I'm leaning town at least until we resolve a few more people who tried to save Poison.

 

[Toujo]

When I'm town I'm very

Well, this game I find you rather unreasonable, so...

 

[Ansatsuken]

Well, this game I find you rather unreasonable, so...

I only being unreasonable to my strong scum read. There's nothing yet for me to be reasonable to you. Why not making any move yet? Looking for opening to shade or preparing for another Buss?

 

[Ansatsuken]

You can't be possible waiting to be followed when you didn't risk a real read until now.
Also i said i am not scum reading her, gave you a reason why.

I agree with this.

 

[Kyte_]

XT, please. You're better than this with your 8 years of experience. Well, it's not like I didn't anticipate that some players would hold me accountable for countering Poison's lynch after she flipped scum, so let me make something clear - for the vote count analysis to be manipulated, intentionally or non-intentionally, to highlight a specific angle you want to accentuate just because it aligns with your reads, it won't happen under my watch.

Here is the factual presentation about the VCA regarding me: I've been a persistent and consistent advocate for lynching Touji, who's lynch was more reasonable in my eyes than Poison, by far. And my hands have almost gone sore from typing the arguments against him. I've also specified my clear reasons, that I still stand by, for not approving Poison's lynch thats best justification was her inactivity, and the fact that I was wrong about her is not alignment indicative, neither is the fact that Touji has backed it up. Well, let me elaborate:

We're talking about a situation where the scum party is caught between two undesirable alternatives where Poison and Touji were the main and lynching Touji. In a setting like this, what stops either of them to endorse the lynch of the other, and use him as a scapegoat to gain a righteous foothold and reach further into the game. I'm not speaking of simple Sure, he's been on Poison done it since the start of the game so it would be feasible for him to jump on your potential lynch wagon at his convenient time. In fact, either lynch would have benefited the survivor. Juan would have the upper hand because he's the main scum though.



Something like vote count analysis (VCA), for example, can be variously manipulated to highlight whatever a player may want to accentuate to their own ends, but with an air of purely factual presentation.

Well, it doesn't make sense for town to do it unless they were 100 about Poison (how could they be). If Indie exists in this game I think you just let that lynch play out and not waste an ability there.

Alight, I'm glad we're still friends.

I don't intend to vote you because I think EOD was way too chaotic for their not to be scum activity and the focus needs to be there. I think specific focus needs to be applied to Hou and Kyte, who were the vocal leaders on getting Ratchet lynched. Kyte especially had some EEK moments and also some questionable interactions with/about Poison. I'm playing to be vocal this phase because I've reread D1 as well as compiled a reads list and interaction list w/ Poison. I think I'm just going to call out things that I think are wrong this phase and we'll go from there.

Let me make something very clear to X, for the vote count analysis to be manipulated so you'd highlight whatever might align with your whims and

Kyte
I can see he focused a lot on Toujo the whole DP1 but mentioned a few other players in suss list yet but I didn't notice some town reads in his posts.[sorry if I missed smth]

Can you share some town reads when you have time @Kyte_ ?


I don't really see the connection here. But let's say it's a personal theory
I went and checked in the vote tally before the event post1580 Toujo had a comfortable position. He got more votes after the event!

I have some town leans, yes. I don't usually mention them until they become relevant in the lynch track. Ryu, for instance, and to a lesser extent, Ansa.

The connection I had made myself in the nick of time was a fairly simple one. But yes, I do see why that argument would be refuted. If your other contrary perceptions in my posts, don't hesitate to address them to me.

 

[Houtarou]

PoE:
AL, Ryu, RGK, Luku, Imp

I would actually exclude RGK and Imp for now... I am kind of positive about Imp definitely being town.. you can pretty much see doubts and get good reading by last day phase voting pattern

 

[Houtarou]

It's quite Odd... Kyte is one of the few players that has been not mentioned by Poison in any way... it's like she was avoid making contact with him while with Ansa I saw little attempt of shade thrown to him by her

 

[TheLukundo]

Which is to say, I guess I'm leaning town at least until we resolve a few more people who tried to save Poison.

Also, what are your thoughts on scum’s choice of NK?

 

[Houtarou]

Toujo might really be town in this game lol