[Game] SK-Tower Of God! The Great War!!! #28

[Michelle]

and good night everyone, see you in the morning

 

[AL_sama]

That wasn't the first shade. I am too tired now to search your first bad post towards me.

how come you are feeling the same way after i posted more than 150 posts in this game? Are you reading the game?

Because ppl are talking and constructing a game of more than 1300 posts in day one, like a whole game for some of the previous games and you keep your reads set in stone? I don't get this confidence.

Your thoughts were not enough Al.. i am sure you can show us you are villager if you really are.
And i can't trust your AtE for much time, you have to play the game and explain your reads.

Mich I know what I m doing

my reads didn't change back then so what?? you wanna sue me??

go ahead

also if I m not playing than WHAT THE HECK M I DOING

 

[SoulKiller]

Also, I won't be available today folks, however on Sunday I will be here looking over my beautiful people.

 

[SoulKiller]

We are lacking one more member, SK.

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I am not only a write, but a producer, Designer, and a creator with a great sense of vision!!!

 

[Rej]

freaking 48 hours??

@Rej you mulling over me is clear sign that you're scum

no, maybe I have found some indicators that you are town, but I gonna observe first, also no panic you ain't the leading wagon anymore

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Hey everyone! Currently seeing a match, I'll catch up when I'm done.

Apologies in advance wolves, I won't go easy on you ^_^

 

[Aether9]

@Aether9 I appreciate you Isoing me but tbh you won't find anything cause I never started playing for real here. Everygame I fluff atleast 6-7 pages and start to get things rolling with a slower pace, then I would be serious and questioning stuff. With my inactivity and considerable low posts you won't find much substance there, I would be glad if you would care to ISO me again, when I actually make reads. ^^ I started catching up, although after catching upto everything I'll head to bed and make my readings in the morning, I know it's not something I should ask for, but I still did cause I think me playing the game is just starting. It might sound weirder than it's in my head but that's what I need to tell you and everyone else. I'll go back to p 42.

alright, I am taking you've already caught up, you said you are going to give reads but I dont remember you doing that.

 

[Ryu Kishi]

Hey everyone! Currently seeing a match, I'll catch up when I'm done.

Apologies in advance wolves, I won't go easy on you ^_^

Lol you got a lot of catching up to do my friend.

 

[XTMF]

To be clear, I don't really hunt for Town players. I'm too paranoid to ever clear someone, and there are very few occassions in a game where I get to a point where I'd go out of my way to defend them, such as if they had a cop check burned on them or their claim made sense/was proven.
This is quoted incorrectly again for some reason. Anyways, this isn't really my recollection of the game. My I remind you that in that game, we had a town that caught themselves in a lie (Raystlyn), we had town willfully act manipulatively by neglecting to factor in how their role interacted with late game (DoflaMihawk), Town that flipped identically to a scum fake claim (Aether), and even at the end of the game, we had Town that acted inconsistently to their claim (Nikamara, in having neglected to point out Umber botching their Tracker claim), and Town that had made an outrageous claim, and had played like scum for the majority of the game (Queen Emilia). To say nothing of, say, Usopp. Given the number of false positives there, it really isn't a surprise that you, by playing competently, had evaded suspicion for so long. I still recall actually having you as my preferred lynch for the final day phase, before Usopp decided to ruin the game.

Man, what a wild game that was.

 

[XTMF]

Also, might be a tinfoil thought, but the fact that I've had my vote on Poison the entire game combined with the fact that several people have claimed to find Poison scummy, there has been every opportunity to start a wagon, but there hasn't even been a hint of that happening. Good be nothing, but perhaps there is a reason that this wagon hasn't happened yet.

 

[XTMF]

I feel like I'm on a completely different timezone than the majority of the people in this game.

 

[Toujo]

Also, might be a tinfoil thought, but the fact that I've had my vote on Poison the entire game combined with the fact that several people have claimed to find Poison scummy, there has been every opportunity to start a wagon, but there hasn't even been a hint of that happening. Good be nothing, but perhaps there is a reason that this wagon hasn't happened yet.

I can only speak for myself, and say I haven't moved my vote because I'd like to go back through Poison's posts before committing to a lynch there. And er, I haven't really had the motivation to do so yet. I should get to it tomorrow.

 

[XTMF]

Why the **** it is already 3 pages!?!? How can you fluff without me!??

@SoulKiller your post says countdown to D1 I thought it's starting after 3 days.......... Misleading.. Also I forgot about forgetting the game started.

Lemme read the three pages. And imma fluff after reading it.

Scum buddy!???

He is not playing gg but

Vote lynch @Thestatusquo

XD

Also No Mich. I'm just fluffing. I wanted to fluff early but I'm late to join. I will still fluff for a few pages.

So, these are Poison's first few posts in the game, something I called a bit of a rough entrance into the game earlier in the thread. If it's true that whenever she's randed wolf she's subbed out, if she's scum, fooling around might be her idea of a softer landing into this game. I just don't really get why, if you're town, you just want to waste time and fool around doing nothing. But on the other hand, I like to play more seriously than not while still having fun, not the other way around. She also manages to call someone scum right off the bat and then also vote for someone who isn't playing. I also have to add a bit of bias into this next point when I say that if she is playing off-site in another game she's a) somewhat experienced and decent* b) should know how valuable her limited posts are in this game c) know better than to come in, fluff, and distract if she really is town.

I'm just amused. And excited with a change. Although I am actually wrong, I forgot Sk's vote on me, where he was a scum and I went after his ass, he voted me in return. But tbh I am pointing nothing this guy does not know my meta.

So here's a post that really irked me. This is Poison reacting to me voting her. First of all, I'd like to take credit that I can amuse and excite Poison; my top tier charm works even over the Internet, I see. The real first thing I noticed from this post is that she references back to a game (who knows when?) where Soul voted Poison as scum and then Poison went after him, which resulted in what I assume was Soul's lynch (who really cares though). The point is, it feels like she gently tried to push the idea that my vote against her is the result of scum placing a vote. Otherwise, why reference that the only other time you've received a D1 vote is when a scum voted for you? But the real problem in this post is that she tries to dismiss my vote against her by claiming that she isn't playing by her scum meta and that since I don't know her meta, how could my vote even be real? I don't understand why you would try to dismiss my vote as bogus simply off the fact that I don't known what you're meta is. The big reveal that your scum meta is actually just you subbing out is shocking as well because I'm supposed to believe that if you ever rand wolf you'll simply just sub out? That's crazy. Yeah, I don't like your reason of trying to shake my vote off.

I like this post, and kind of have a similar question.

This is Poison saying that she liked my post about something I said about Imp giving an early reads list. It felt weird that she completely dismissed my vote and then all of a sudden is agreeing with me next interaction that we have. I actually called her out on it and then she just said that she was the first one to point out Imp's reads list (not sure why that matters).

You know, I still think that was a general meaning and your post seems like a really forced getting info out of her post.

Of course not, conversation is the key to win the game. I didn't say it was a forced one when you pointed your doubts, which are pretty normal. But I think me, mich and luk, the three of them said the same thing that that post means a general meaning yet you went deducing again with religious something. Seemed forced to me.

Of course there's these two posts that set off the back and forth between us. I won't go into much more because I've posted my thoughts on this, but why call my posts forced in two of your posts? I've had this creeping feeling that Poison has been trying to find and build a case against me because there are all these little soft pushes that she does. Also, not to mention she seemed to be trying to use my mention of a religious analogy to discredit my thoughts. Why? To be honest, I just didn't love the way she handled that conversation.

Can't help man, if he is gonna act like Naomi, I will go hard. I have problem with people jumping to conclusions rather than taking a second and trying to understand others point of view.

Another insider reference (-_-). I don't get why she said instead of taking a 'second to try and understanding her POV'. That wasn't really what my issue was about and it feels off that she'd claim that this was what was at fault.

41 pages!

okay, I see A LOT of notifications, but I think I'll address to everything as I catch up.

I'm here. Don't throw eggs at me. I know I should read everything, and I will in the morning , but can you guys do a little help and maybe give a summary of what's happening?

Here's Poison's re-entry and subsequent exit post. By her entrance, it felt like she was ready to drop bombs. But those bombs were only posts 810 and 812, which I would hardly call 'addressing everything'.

Poison's play today has also felt optimal and a bit like she's cherry picking. Post 1233 is a fun one where she once again quietly accuses me of doing something scummy (soft-shading), while making one fluff post and asking one question. She also hovered around the Ratchet-Michelle back and forth, which I feel like is an easy-picking.

I'm curious about it.

I'm sorry I am yet to read that. But I don't think day 1 would have much to give, it's basically what Night Phase ending write ups have. Previously in one game iirc, me and Ansa were able to get a grasp of possible scum from NP write ups.

I think that would be open wolfing also I don't think wolf would actually do it that way? I think the names are something XTMF is familiar with?

Here Poison wants to talk about The Supreme Alliance (she seems to be hovering around me a lot). The second bit of her post is interesting, though, because she claims that D1 doesn't have much to give and that we should just wait until the NP write-up. Not only does she endorse this terrible idea, but she doubles down by giving an example of how it worked in a previous game. That to me seems like not only is she content not to participate that deeply at the moment because there's no information which is a complete 180 since she's been saying she's going to catch up the whole game. Finally, she ends with another just bizarre thing to put out into the open by saying that my move COULD by open wolfing, but it can't because because wolves wouldn't do that and I'm familiar with Aether and Ratchet, right?

I don't understand your mentioning two players who are not in the game at all or are known really well by most player here to get a better comparison?

Here's a bad point. Poison calls out Ansa about how he's been talking about players who are not in this game when she's already done that herself in this game as well as referenced previous games inside of this one. Hypocritical, no?

@Aether9 I appreciate you Isoing me but tbh you won't find anything cause I never started playing for real here. Everygame I fluff atleast 6-7 pages and start to get things rolling with a slower pace, then I would be serious and questioning stuff. With my inactivity and considerable low posts you won't find much substance there, I would be glad if you would care to ISO me again, when I actually make reads. ^^ I started catching up, although after catching upto everything I'll head to bed and make my readings in the morning, I know it's not something I should ask for, but I still did cause I think me playing the game is just starting. It might sound weirder than it's in my head but that's what I need to tell you and everyone else. I'll go back to p 42.

I mean, Poison completely dismisses Aether here by saying she's only fluffed and isn't playing serious. How is that an excuse for anything? It seems like she's willing to hide behind her past games or possibly even what her town meta is like in order to not respond to Aether.

And here's a fun finisher of all the times Poison said she was going to do later and then never did. I know she's in another game, but that doesn't excuse her for choosing then to use her limited time and posts in this game to fluff and not take things seriously. She also showed that she had time to (selectively) pick out things people said while 'catching up' yet she had no time to respond when people mentioned her? Come on, I can only give you so much leniency for being busy elsewhere.

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Six times she mentioned she'd get back to something and never did (there was another but I lost the quote so I won't count it). I mean, she's been vocal about how busy she's been, so most of us should know that, but why always feel the need that you're appearing as if you're actually going to go back and do these things when everyone, you included, knows you don't have the time right now to do so? It feels fake.

Anyway, I'm still onboard with this lynch.

 

[XTMF]

I can only speak for myself, and say I haven't moved my vote because I'd like to go back through Poison's posts before committing to a lynch there. And er, I haven't really had the motivation to do so yet. I should get to it tomorrow.

Well you're in luck since I just dropped one.

 

[Toujo]

Way to steal my thunder X, I'm supposed to be the one with the long posts ._.

 

[Rej]

I wanna settle down on this vote for now

votelynch @RedGloverKing @SoulKiller

something doesnt sit well with me when he threw shades on me earlier, he somehow acted like he would knew aspects of my town/scum game

Going to bed will go in detail tomorrow and check out wagonomics, given if SoulKiller gives a votecount and even more votecounts in the third 24 hrs

 

[XTMF]

Way to steal my thunder X, I'm supposed to be the one with the long posts ._.

There is no thunder stealing, all glory goes to The Supreme Alliance.

 

[Kyte_]

This is not an argument. Your conclusion is not supported by your premise.
Just because they are Town, does not mean they cannot be wrong. Just because they are Town, does not mean they are incapable of playing scummily (hence my false positive explanation).

Substantiate this claim, because I have not parroted anything. To be clear, parroting is the act of repeating something someone else has said, and repackaging it as your own point.
This is a No True Scotsman fallacy. It declares a member of the Town will onl react in a certain way, and then asserts that because I have not acted in that way, I must not be a member of the Town. However, it does not establish the premise as fact, so the conclusion drawn is errenous. While there is indeed value in addressing poorly-conceived arguments, it is unreasonable to expect me to address each and every single one. Even just mostly limiting it to people engaging directly with me, you can see the volume of my posts, and people complaining about the length of them.

I would say it's always the same scripts you pull to the arguments in relation to your AI attitude. Perhaps with occasionally different elements. But that's up for interpretations, we can move past that point.

Did you really not see it, yet?! I don't care if you put on a professional front, employ philosophies, exploit fallacies, or even "analyze" statements down to the tenses and grammar. Your post could still be a whole bunch of nothing.

The fallacy you had just googled does not apply here. Let me explain this; if there's a certain standard that a conventional town would be expected to act based on, contrary actions do not automatically exclude you from the town party, indeed, but it still makes you more likely than not that you're not town. Ultimately, there are rarely confirmed reads in the mafia, anyways.
Let me translate this to your case- The quantity of your posts is completely irrelevant when the arguments you choose to address do not align with the Town's best interest. Because you see, it's indeed of the town's best interest that everyone capable of clearing any misconceptions would do so, especially when related to one's own self.

But let me get this right, since you've refuted my statement with a fallacy, is it fair to say that you're against the ideology that "addressing ill-formed arguments about yourself is more important than interrogating other players" altogether? Interesting.

I did not make this claim. I said I didn't see fit to respond to it. In fact, I very clearly showed that I had paid attention to it, with my characterisation of your post. You can disagree with said characterisation, but you cannot claim that I paid no attention to it, and you certainly can't claim that I claimed to pay no attention to it.

Huh? I don't know what do you mean, you're literally said:

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You point to three things that I should have paid more attention to. I don't really understand what you're getting at with 2 and 3,

The three things I've pointed out are:

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1. Michelle’s vote on you, 2. Myself falsifying your logic on Imperfection’s “analysis” and 3. Shading your potential deep wolfing gameplay in another post.

... So are you pulling back your words, or will you somehow manage to find a way out of this, still?

The rest of your post is basically narrating your side of the story with Michelle, to which I've said my part, in your offense, in my previous post. I believe players can go back and judge the authenticity of your claims, but as for me, there's other things that i would like to do.

 

[Kyte_]

So, these are Poison's first few posts in the game, something I called a bit of a rough entrance into the game earlier in the thread. If it's true that whenever she's randed wolf she's subbed out, if she's scum, fooling around might be her idea of a softer landing into this game. I just don't really get why, if you're town, you just want to waste time and fool around doing nothing. But on the other hand, I like to play more seriously than not while still having fun, not the other way around. She also manages to call someone scum right off the bat and then also vote for someone who isn't playing. I also have to add a bit of bias into this next point when I say that if she is playing off-site in another game she's a) somewhat experienced and decent* b) should know how valuable her limited posts are in this game c) know better than to come in, fluff, and distract if she really is town.



So here's a post that really irked me. This is Poison reacting to me voting her. First of all, I'd like to take credit that I can amuse and excite Poison; my top tier charm works even over the Internet, I see. The real first thing I noticed from this post is that she references back to a game (who knows when?) where Soul voted Poison as scum and then Poison went after him, which resulted in what I assume was Soul's lynch (who really cares though). The point is, it feels like she gently tried to push the idea that my vote against her is the result of scum placing a vote. Otherwise, why reference that the only other time you've received a D1 vote is when a scum voted for you? But the real problem in this post is that she tries to dismiss my vote against her by claiming that she isn't playing by her scum meta and that since I don't know her meta, how could my vote even be real? I don't understand why you would try to dismiss my vote as bogus simply off the fact that I don't known what you're meta is. The big reveal that your scum meta is actually just you subbing out is shocking as well because I'm supposed to believe that if you ever rand wolf you'll simply just sub out? That's crazy. Yeah, I don't like your reason of trying to shake my vote off.



This is Poison saying that she liked my post about something I said about Imp giving an early reads list. It felt weird that she completely dismissed my vote and then all of a sudden is agreeing with me next interaction that we have. I actually called her out on it and then she just said that she was the first one to point out Imp's reads list (not sure why that matters).





Of course there's these two posts that set off the back and forth between us. I won't go into much more because I've posted my thoughts on this, but why call my posts forced in two of your posts? I've had this creeping feeling that Poison has been trying to find and build a case against me because there are all these little soft pushes that she does. Also, not to mention she seemed to be trying to use my mention of a religious analogy to discredit my thoughts. Why? To be honest, I just didn't love the way she handled that conversation.



Another insider reference (-_-). I don't get why she said instead of taking a 'second to try and understanding her POV'. That wasn't really what my issue was about and it feels off that she'd claim that this was what was at fault.





Here's Poison's re-entry and subsequent exit post. By her entrance, it felt like she was ready to drop bombs. But those bombs were only posts 810 and 812, which I would hardly call 'addressing everything'.

Poison's play today has also felt optimal and a bit like she's cherry picking. Post 1233 is a fun one where she once again quietly accuses me of doing something scummy (soft-shading), while making one fluff post and asking one question. She also hovered around the Ratchet-Michelle back and forth, which I feel like is an easy-picking.



Here Poison wants to talk about The Supreme Alliance (she seems to be hovering around me a lot). The second bit of her post is interesting, though, because she claims that D1 doesn't have much to give and that we should just wait until the NP write-up. Not only does she endorse this terrible idea, but she doubles down by giving an example of how it worked in a previous game. That to me seems like not only is she content not to participate that deeply at the moment because there's no information which is a complete 180 since she's been saying she's going to catch up the whole game. Finally, she ends with another just bizarre thing to put out into the open by saying that my move COULD by open wolfing, but it can't because because wolves wouldn't do that and I'm familiar with Aether and Ratchet, right?



Here's a bad point. Poison calls out Ansa about how he's been talking about players who are not in this game when she's already done that herself in this game as well as referenced previous games inside of this one. Hypocritical, no?



I mean, Poison completely dismisses Aether here by saying she's only fluffed and isn't playing serious. How is that an excuse for anything? It seems like she's willing to hide behind her past games or possibly even what her town meta is like in order to not respond to Aether.

And here's a fun finisher of all the times Poison said she was going to do later and then never did. I know she's in another game, but that doesn't excuse her for choosing then to use her limited time and posts in this game to fluff and not take things seriously. She also showed that she had time to (selectively) pick out things people said while 'catching up' yet she had no time to respond when people mentioned her? Come on, I can only give you so much leniency for being busy elsewhere.

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Six times she mentioned she'd get back to something and never did (there was another but I lost the quote so I won't count it). I mean, she's been vocal about how busy she's been, so most of us should know that, but why always feel the need that you're appearing as if you're actually going to go back and do these things when everyone, you included, knows you don't have the time right now to do so? It feels fake.

Anyway, I'm still onboard with this lynch.

Uh I did not wish for my post to be in Poison's defense, but I'm afraid I have to say that if I look past the prejudices and drama in your essay, Poison doesn't actually look that bad. But that's just my take, having known her for a while.

Needless to say, some points are valid.

 

[Aether9]

Ansatsuken:

Are you trying to form a 'relationship' here?

Of course you're not unless you're checking my previous game here to know where I'm coming from.

I dont know whats the point of bringing that up then?

Last time Michelle was scum(like eons ago) she never went very hard like that.

What are you trying to imply here?

Tbh I think Toujo's presentation here is unlike Nova in the previous game.

Toujo I think is full of words but he hold himself too much, in other words his opinion is less pronounced.

While Nova also was full of words but most of the times he's being direct. The only Problem I have with him that giving me hard time to town lean him is his direct buddying with Naomi.

tbh I understood everything in this post except the bolded part.

I think you're coming from English speaking country so if that's true how you read that post wrong?

It's very clear where I put Naomi with so from where you get that I have you and Naomi buddying? Is this really a comprehension level of top player?

Tbh this is personal opinion. My own opinion on players from an observation. Yes I typed it and shares it with others here. So In this respect, the player that being my talk subject isn't suppose to be the one who addressing/questioning my personal opinion. Its for the other players. They can question my idea behind that comparison, asking to know about the subject inside the opinion. They can agree or disagree with my personal opinion on the subjects.
What actually I would be getting if I responding to my subject? Just like what I'm going to get in return if I'm responding to scum that wants me to elaborate my scum read on them?

So it's non of your business to know with who I'm comparing you.

and tbh I was confused by the bolded part as well and its not surprising that Ratchet was also confused without any context.

Anyway the later part of the post seemed like you only wanted to discuss with the forum regular only which is kinda rude considering there are a lot of new players playing as well and the fact that this is a mafia game.

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I'm going to start;



Toujo looking cool here. He never shown any slight of concern over the vote.



Nothing to gather here. He just showing of being helpful here. NAI


Michelle only vote you. I don't know what to make about this. But I just assume Toujo didn't really pay a good attention to the game. Which for me its not really good self presentation for player like him.



For me the most important things to look at is hunting skill. I put more emphasis on it than player's meta. Player can change their META but if they're too passive or being one dimensional in performing scum hunting that could be they are hiding something bad.
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[IMPERFECTION SLOT]


But at this point I want to ask you "what is your first impression on Imp after you have read that post?"

Because you stop from telling us your opinion on Imp himself.


Ok, an advice post.



I'm very intrigued to hear your explanation on the bold part. Why are you suddenly having a bad read on that part? After two people(X and Poison) forced their opinion on imp at you. Why not before?

The flow of your thoughts not moving naturally but being forced is what I think here.

I mean the two earlier posts I guess here you have given Imp positive read but after Poison pushed her opinion on you about Imp you then pointed out some bad part inside Imp's post. Looked pretty convenience.



He said you're giving him extra paranoia because of your status and pedigree. The rest of players still giving him some sort of paranoia but not as high as what he felt on you.



This's good question. But this kind of question can be asked by either curious town or curious scum. That's that.


^^^^
Imperfection's response to that question



Further prodding by Toujo on imperfection. But what's the goal here? Ok if we look at this from Scum hunting POV what actually Toujo trying to gather here? How he sees Imperfection at this point? Does Imperfection produced scum tell from his replies? Can you give me an answer Toujo?






This post sounds so townie, I'm not gonna lie. It's actually slap Imperfection on his face. But I wonder what do you think of Imp from that post?

I'm not really have Imp in my scum radar but that post from him and your response to that post really leaving me with bad taste on Imp couple with his inactivity. But I still need to see more from him. I give him till near EoD before I decide his position.


How is your response be like if he read you as scum because he feels like it or because your meta cant be differentiates between scum you or town you?

Maybe you're going to pull all kind of philosophical talk on him.



To deal with someone like you that are good with words and made a little mistake possible where there's no line to tell your proper alingment one's going to use some other methods like intuition for example. That's after a player's complete reading you then the line is draw.


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[XTMF SLOT]



Interesting post. Full of information. Ok we go further...



Are you reading XTMF as scum here?




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[LUKUNDO SLOT]


You clearly standing out so far IMO. But what's not standing out is your scum hunting.


I've read the thread. Currently ISO you starting from your first post. You have a good point on how scum will play but I'm not so sure about your scum read. For me you seemed like doing the opposite to your read. You're not really following your read. It's like you're having a check point that you need to past and move forward. Jumping from player to player, from your scum read to your non scum read(Michelle). You're not even addressed Poison properly when she's one of you scum read. You're not even talked about Glover.

Ok what actually is your goal towards Michelle?



Ok I see


I can agree with this tough.



I think Lukundo meant this one;


You're not giving Poison direct statement/direct opinion/direct confirmation to Poison's question.

You're avoiding for an unknown reason.


I like this post honestly


Ok you are making sense with this post but not your actual action.


Ok understood. I hope you can nail an actual scum. Your time is numbered.

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[POISON CHAN SLOT]


This's a response to Poison's post.

From reading this post it tells me that Toujo was really prodding imp to search for scum tell.

But his opinion give a balance perspective.

So I'm at cross road now. I don't have a clue what actually his real read on Imp. Scum or town?

How strong he sees Imp as scum. Its like a bad doctor giving his opinion to their patient. They gave a balance answer(positive+negative) that kept people questioning more. When people actually looking for a definite answer.





I think so but why are you responding like that?

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[MICHELLE SLOT]

For Michelle slot I'm going to QUOTE both Michelle and Toujo's post.





Tbh I'm not really feeling town Luk that played in one of previous game in here. But to get much better picture I need to ISO him. He talked a lot inside this game. But more towards responding to people than prodding Players.



I never know that.



Or??????



What about your vote target Glover? You're confident enough to put a vote on him. An attempt of distancing because he's the safest place to land your vote because he's not gonna bite you back? You're more confident to vote Glover than Imperfection. Weird.



Wow Michelle just accused you of setting a mislynch bait. How? When you're not even push any target on people.

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I have posted many part of posts here and read the remaining posts from Toujo.

I have gathered many things, some of it made my brain working and thingking. Tbh I didn't see Toujo as trying to act like a leader here. He's just responding to someone and addressing something he really curious to know or something that he thought a contradiction. I also didn't feel any agenda coming from him. If he's scum he actually doesn't need to take any action like for example pushing a player. He just play along the line. Responding to people or addressing something. He just need to keep people away from him, that's all. And waiting for town to shoot each other inside this big game. The possibility it to happen is high.

So right now I give Toujo a slight town lean. He needs to complete the other part and be right with it, that's SCUM HUNTING.

Day 1 is his trial. I limit him at that.

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I need to look at Michelle, Lukundo and Imperfection again.

Oh Poison too


Many interesting points I gathered from this ISO.

At that point? I thought his reads list was pretty mailed in, but I didn't agree with the assertion that was made that the post contained little information. In other words, I felt like the vapidness of the post was in itself information.
I had intended to go back and quote through it, but the bad impression came from it being wishy washy. "He could be town but also maybe scum".
He's certainly produced a scum tell, but that's all it is. And, like I said to Michelle, False Positives are a thing.
It would be the same, except it would be a different fallacy. Instead of being wishy washy, it would be drawing a conclusion based on something that has been established to not indicate my alignment. Same thing what Ryu (?) did.
Intuition isn't really a valid argument. It has to be based on something, or otherwise you're just saying it's a guess. And by no means is my play infallible.
No. Other way around.
I'm trying to break down how Michelle plays, so I can filter out things that irk me due to playstyle rather than it actually being scummy.
I mean, I actually thought it was obvious. That is to say, no, that's not the impression I got. I guess I'm too used to phrasing things in certain ways, I'll try to be more explicit moving forward.
Or is there some other possibility that I have missed or neglected to mention that would fit there.
My vote for RGK is simply a prompt for him to engage. It came when he claimed he would simply observe the game, which I took issue with. He's kind of addressed it, but I still don't like how he's popping in and out of the thread without leaving much of an impression on anything.

and here you kinda went away from this, is there a specific reason why you didnt continue this?

For the people who voted AL can I see your reasoning.

can you tell me what you see to those reasoning?

No, I Sheep Red's ISO.

I could be drawing the same conclusion if ISO you too.

because this post seem like now you are starting to see Al as scum, whats the difference between then and now?

Don't worry. Post like that mostly about he defending himself or his ideology. So it's all depend on your ability to read or discern the motive or flavor of his posts.

Like Ryu Kishi for example, he really firmly believe that Toujo is trying to deceive town by posting like that.

what do you think, because you were going after him but stopped half way.

Toujo said he's going to vote Poison sometimes later. So who's with me here we perform reliability test on Toujo? Many here have a hard time with Toujo but I think we should test him. It's no use to go against him and fighting about logic, standard, the way mafia game should be playing, rule of mafia game etc etc..

how are we going to perform the test?

Fair enough. So what's your opinion about Poison?

idk why are you still going on about poison, i get it you think poison is town but people are allowed to think what they feel

Yeah I'm trying to lead Poison lynch here. But first I need more input.

wut? this doesnt make sense anymore. I need you to explain this, because you were reading poison town why would you want to lynch her?

Also can you give your town and scum reads atm?