#SixPathSageMode

[Holy God]

A lot of people are misunderstanding the terms in this story. Jutsu (Techniques) is not chakra, in a direct sense. The same exact logic applies to Senjutsu (Sage Techniques) and Sage chakra. Jutsu describes the techniques made available by using chakra, whereas Senjutsu describes the techniques made available by using Sage chakra. This same exactly logic still applies when we talk about Rikudou Senjutsu (Six Paths Sage Techniques), which is just a name for all of the techniques made available by using Six Paths Sage chakra.

If you can understand this, then it becomes obvious that Sasuke's Black Chidori, which in the past was Senjutsu fueled by Orochimaru's Sage chakra, was more recently Six Paths Senjutsu fueled by Hagoromo's Six Paths Sage chakra. The same goes for Kakashi, whose Chidori turned black after using Obito's Six Paths Sage chakra stolen from Madara.

Orochimaru makes it perfectly clear here:

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[Peculiar Chester]

A lot of people are misunderstanding the terms in this story. Jutsu (Techniques) is not chakra, in a direct sense.

I don't think anyone is saying that it is. What you call "sage chakra" is 仙術チャクラ in Japanese, romanized as "senjutsu chakra." Using that term isn't equivocating jutsu with chakra, it's just a more direct translation. ("sage chakra" translated literally would be 仙人チャクラ)

This same exactly logic still applies when we talk about Rikudou Senjutsu (Six Paths Sage Techniques), which is just a name for all of the techniques made available by using Six Paths Sage Chakra.

Once again, not disputed.

The same goes for Kakashi, whose Chidori turned black after using Obito's Six Paths Sage chakra stolen from Madara.

You're really going to chalk Kamui Raikiri's color to it being a sage jutsu? Not that it's basis is, y'know, a time-space rending dojutsu and not lightning? Do you think Darui's Black Panther is also senjutsu?

 

[Holy God]

I don't think anyone is saying that it is. What you call "sage chakra" is 仙術チャクラ in Japanese, romanized as "senjutsu chakra." Using that term isn't equivocating jutsu with chakra, it's just a more direct translation. ("sage chakra" translated literally would be 仙人チャクラ)

Well I have read this thread and have seen multiple people using "Senjutsu" as some sort of equivalence to chakra, which is why I stated that. When I see "Rikudou senjutsu is just chakra" (direct quote) in a post, I will assume they are saying what I was talking about.

You're really going to chalk Kamui Raikiri's color to it being a sage jutsu? Not that it's basis is, y'know, a time-space rending dojutsu and not lightning? Do you think Darui's Black Panther is also senjutsu?

Of course. Kakashi's Raikiri has two new attributes to it that could contribute to it being black. One is his chakra, and one is Kamui. Now we could go with the one that has proven to change one's Chidori (or Raikiri in this case) to black, or we could speculate it is Kamui, but as I just said, that'd be speculation since, as far as I'm concerned, we've never seen Kamui change the color of any technique and there's no reason to believe it would. Obviously Darui's lightning techniques are not the result of Six Paths Sage chakra, but I find that irrelevant.

 

[schicic]

Didn't Rikudo Senin give Naruto his chakra and then gave Sauske the Rennegan to balance it out? Wouldn't that mean they are basicly both capable of using sagejutsu? I am tired so I am probably not reading something right.

 

[Hag0r0m0 0tsutsuki]

Senjutsu isn’t Sage Mode. Orochimaru is a senjutsu user but not a sage. Madara and obito are rikudo senjutsu users but neither are rikudo sages.

 

[schicic]

Senjutsu isn’t Sage Mode. Orochimaru is a senjutsu user but not a sage. Madara and obito are rikudo senjutsu users but neither are rikudo sages.

Isn't Madar and obit only able to do that because they had the rennegan?

 

[Hag0r0m0 0tsutsuki]

Isn't Madar and obit only able to do that because they had the rennegan?

Sealing the juubi inside them required the rinnegan. If that’s what you meant then yes. If you mean using the juubi’ power, no it doesn’t require rinnegan. Naruto used the juubi’ power during the war without the rinnegan.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Every thing was correct until you stated the part about Hagoromo saying Naruto can contact the other bijuu for more chakra. That was never stated. Hagoromo stated Naruto still had some of the bijuu chakra and he was there meeting place.. but during the battle with Sasuke, he was told by Sasuke that he had very little bijuu chakra left. Naruto eventually ran out of bijuu chakra and haven’t used form since..

The latest episode prove this.. Naruto had no idea bee was alive because he has NO CHAKRA of the bijuu left to communicate and check for himself.. That’s the only possible explanation.

At the very least Naruto would have to meet all the bijuu in person AGAIN to receive chakra. Then he can use that mode again.

that's all 110.0% wrong

 

[Peculiar Chester]

Naruto not sensing Gyuki's disappearance when Shukaku did was something I also found odd. However, in the same episode Shukaku says he's still connected to Naruto, so I don't really think it's reasonably arguable that he doesn't have the link.

 

[Animegoin]

Naruto not sensing Gyuki's disappearance when Shukaku did was something I also found odd. However, in the same episode Shukaku says he's still connected to Naruto, so I don't really think it's reasonably arguable that he doesn't have the link.

Not to mention that after the Momoshiki battle episode, Shikamaru had to inform Naruto that Bee was alright.

 

[Chikombo]

Kinda sounds like the same word. But different translations.

 

[00Rinne]

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Juubi jins have access to the same powers as a RSM user barr the Rinne in Naruto's case..
Obito is not sages but a Juubi jin with the same outcome as a RSM user.. Meaning he can use senjutsu/NE through the means of the bijuu being a JJ.. This mode give COAT but we don't see him or Madara use bijuu power in Juubi jin state, only the rinne tech's..

Madara maybe abit different because he became a sage before becoming a JJ from Hashirama.. He didn't go through what Obito did because his body was strong enough to handle the chakra.. The same outcome for Mads in this aspect but he never used the bijuu power just the Rinne..

I think because they forced the bijuu into submission they were cut off of their power but had the power of the Juubi (NE/Senjutsu) for regen along with the power of the Rinne without drawbacks..

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Rikudou Naruto has NE/Senjutsu just as a JJ but lacks the Rinne.. COAT comes with this mode but Naruto who synced with all bijuu an called their names has the ability to use the bijuu's power unlike the JJ's Obito/Madara..

These modes give them NE or senjutsu & COAT for use but there are different ways to obtain them..

All in all!.
Obito is or was JJ who could use NE/Senjutsu & Rinnegan techs.. COAT through being a JJ not a sage.

Madara is abit complicated but he was a sage from Hashi before becoming a JJ.. COAT NE/Senjutsu & Rinnegan techs but if we go by his process as describe above then he is just a JJ without being able to use the bijuu techs..

Naruto has RSM NE/Senjutsu & is a sage who can use the bijuu power. COAT comes in this mode but Naruto lacks the Rinnegan.

Different means for JJ RSM but the outcome is the same.. Controling NE or Senjutsu & having COAT..

The problem is the mode is called 6psm so folks will naturally assume that JJ Obito is a sage but it's not really the case an neither should it be for Madz because we never see them do what we know to be a sage is which is gather NE for a SM..

Naruto is the only sage in these regards an Obito & Madara are just considered JJ's..
It's all 6psm/so6p, NE/senjutsu/COAT blah blah