Six Paths Sage Mode Debate!

[TheSages456]

Do I actually need evidence that Yin Kurama and Naruto just started to work with each other? I don't think I need that.

Nope, but that isn't relevant. If what you're saying is true, then he would have just taken the chakra. Despite the fact that Kurama's influence is already apparent, he still needs Kurama to hand off chakra to him.

You're wrong again. [

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] Sasuke says he and Naruto were given the Rikudou's Chakra; Sasuke got the Yin and Naruto got the Yang. The only official evidence that Biju can grant Hagoromo's power is when they are combined into the Jubi. This wasn't the case with Naruto, since he uses their Chakra separately. [

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The only times the term "Six Paths power" is ever brought up for those 2 is in reference to the seals that Hagoromo gave them. Otherwise, they do not naturally possess the Six Paths chakra in their natural reserves.

Them being stated to possess Hagoromo's power does not mean that they specifically possess his chakra, because such phrasing was used for every Ten Tails' jinchuriki.
Sasuke specifically possesses Hagoromo's actual chakra since he awakened the Rinnegan, but that only applies to the chakra produced by the eye itself. He doesn't possess half of Hagoromo's chakra.

Answer my question: Why does Naruto ask for Biju's Chakra separately if his Rikudou is directly from theirs?

Because they are still separate entities that are working together. Naruto's form coming from their power already is inconsequential.

That will then mean inconsistency in the manga. Not to mention this example has no relations to this argument.

It has everything to do with what you said.
Obito's Bijudama possessed no senjutsu, so according to your logic that would mean that his Biju power and Six Paths senjutsu would come from different sources, which is obviously nonsense.

 

[Edogawa]

Nope, but that isn't relevant. If what you're saying is true, then he would have just taken the chakra. Despite the fact that Kurama's influence is already apparent, he still needs Kurama to hand off chakra to him.

Yes, because Naruto didn't open the seal holding Yin Kurama, which is why he asked for Chakra. It wasn't the same for Yang Kurama, why is that?

The only times the term "Six Paths power" is ever brought up for those 2 is in reference to the seals that Hagoromo gave them. Otherwise, they do not naturally possess the Six Paths chakra in their natural reserves.

You can stop twisting the context of the manga, you illiterate goon. The term was referenced for Naruto possessing the Truth Seeker Ball and Sasuke's Amenotejikara, which only came to happen after Hagoromo passed his Chakra to both of them. Also, the actual term was ''Six Paths Chakra'' in the Viz translation.

Them being stated to possess Hagoromo's power does not mean that they specifically possess his chakra, because such phrasing was used for every Ten Tails' jinchuriki.
Sasuke specifically possesses Hagoromo's actual chakra since he awakened the Rinnegan, but that only applies to the chakra produced by the eye itself. He doesn't possess half of Hagoromo's chakra.

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Who did Hagoromo give his Chakra to, Sages456?

Because they are still separate entities that are working together. Naruto's form coming from their power already is inconsequential.

The manga has shown Biju's Chakra are separate from each other and can't mix up. I have given you scans. Anything after this is grasping straws.

It has everything to do with what you said.
Obito's Bijudama possessed no senjutsu, so according to your logic that would mean that his Biju power and Six Paths senjutsu would come from different sources, which is obviously nonsense.

Or it would mean the Chakra materials for Biju and Six Paths Senjutsu are different, which is what the manga shown.

 

[TheSages456]

Yes, because Naruto didn't open the seal holding Yin Kurama, which is why he asked for Chakra. It wasn't the same for Yang Kurama, why is that?

There was no seal restraining Yin Kurama. Yin Kurama was never shown to be restrained by a seal like Yang Kurama. The exact opposite is shown when he is freely roaming around in Naruto's mind along with the other Biju.

You can stop twisting the context of the manga, you illiterate goon. The term was referenced for Naruto possessing the Truth Seeker Ball and Sasuke's Amenotejikara, which only came to happen after Hagoromo passed his Chakra to both of them. Also, the actual term was ''Six Paths Chakra'' in the Viz translation.

The term used was "Six Paths Power" in the Viz translation. They both benefited from Six Paths power which would be the Rinnegan & Six Paths Sage mode.
Nothing about Naruto or Sasuke internally possessing half of Hagoromo's chakra.

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Who did Hagoromo give his Chakra to, Sages456?

To Naruto & Sasuke via the seals, which were shown performing Six Paths CT, a jutsu that combines the chakra from both seals.
Sasuke was shown using Six Paths chakra enhanced Chidori once and when he did use it is was using the power of the seal.
Not sure how anyone would think that they internally possess half of Hagoromo's chakra, much less think that the finite amount of chakra that Hagoromo supposedly gave them is somehow unlimited. The idea itself is ridiculous.

The manga has shown Biju's Chakra are separate from each other and can't mix up. I have given you scans. Anything after this is grasping straws.



Or it would mean the Chakra materials for Biju and Six Paths Senjutsu are different, which is what the manga shown.

How is the Biju power and Six Paths Senjutsu for a Ten Tails' jinchuriki different when both powers come from the same source? You're grasping at straws.

Obito's Bijudama lacked senjutsu, yet the Ten Tails is the same entity that granted him Six Paths senjutsu. By your logic, though, both powers would come from separate sources.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

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There was no seal restraining Yin Kurama. Yin Kurama was never shown to be restrained by a seal like Yang Kurama. The exact opposite is shown when he is freely roaming around in Naruto's mind along with the other Biju.



The term used was "Six Paths Power" in the Viz translation. They both benefited from Six Paths power which would be the Rinnegan & Six Paths Sage mode.
Nothing about Naruto or Sasuke internally possessing half of Hagoromo's chakra.



To Naruto & Sasuke via the seals, which were shown performing Six Paths CT, a jutsu that combines the chakra from both seals.
Sasuke was shown using Six Paths chakra enhanced Chidori once and when he did use it is was using the power of the seal.
Not sure how anyone would think that they internally possess half of Hagoromo's chakra, much less think that the finite amount of chakra that Hagoromo supposedly gave them is somehow unlimited. The idea itself is ridiculous.



How is the Biju power and Six Paths Senjutsu for a Ten Tails' jinchuriki different when both powers come from the same source? You're grasping at straws.

Obito's Bijudama lacked senjutsu, yet the Ten Tails is the same entity that granted him Six Paths senjutsu. By your logic, though, both powers would come from separate sources.

you lost all credibility when you claim hagoromo did not give naruto his chakra.

- sasuke admits that madara was damaged by the six paths chakra from NARUTO'S ATTACK:

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- sasuke tells naruto to use HAGOROMO'S CHAKRA to damage marada:

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[TheSages456]

you lost all credibility when you claim hagoromo did not give naruto his chakra.

He gave Naruto the Yang Seal which contains his own Six Paths Yang chakra.

- sasuke admits that madara was damaged by the six paths chakra from NARUTO'S ATTACK:

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- sasuke tells naruto to use HAGOROMO'S CHAKRA to damage marada:

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Your scans aren't even coherent with what you're saying and the first scan is a mistranslation.

Sasuke: (The Six paths Sage chakra...
...Can affect the shadow Madara too, huh.)

All Sasuke says is that the Six Paths Sage chakra affects Limbo. It says nothing about Hagoromo's chaka, which would come from the Yang Seal, not Naruto's own reserves.

As for your second point, Sasuke said no such thing, but it wouldn't matter even if he did, because Hagoromo's chakra=The Yang seals Six Paths Yang chakra.
He just tells Naruto to use an attack that possesses Sage power.

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Sage power is simply referring to senjutsu in general.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

He gave Naruto the Yang Seal which contains his own Six Paths Yang chakra.

naruto lost that power...yet still has six paths sage mode...that debunks this awful thoery.

All Sasuke says is that the Six Paths Sage chakra affects Limbo. It says nothing about Hagoromo's chaka, which would come from the Yang Seal, not Naruto's own reserves.

what the ****???? nothing further needs to be typed lololololol

 

[TheSages456]

naruto lost that power...yet still has six paths sage mode...that debunks this awful thoery.

Six Paths Sage mode has nothing to do with Hagoromo's Six Paths Yang chakra.
It is the Biju as stated in Shikamaru Hiden and blatantly shown in the manga.

what the ****???? nothing further needs to be typed lololololol

Is this going to be a repeat of every other time where you blatantly lie about what was stated?

Obito & Madara possessed Six Paths Sage chakra. Was that Hagoromo's chakra as well?

 

[Edogawa]

TheSages456,

Your argument is contradictory right now. You said before that Hagoromo didn't pass his Chakra to Naruto and that Naruto was using Biju's Chakra together for RSM; now you're saying Naruto is using Hagoromo's Chakra through the Yang seal for RSM?

To Naruto & Sasuke via the seals, which were shown performing Six Paths CT, a jutsu that combines the chakra from both seals.
Sasuke was shown using Six Paths chakra enhanced Chidori once and when he did use it is was using the power of the seal.
Not sure how anyone would think that they internally possess half of Hagoromo's chakra, much less think that the finite amount of chakra that Hagoromo supposedly gave them is somehow unlimited. The idea itself is ridiculous.

Are you suggesting the seals uses all of Hagoromo's Chakra, which is why he lost them after giving them? If this is what you're suggesting, then Hagoromo couldn't have sealed Kaguya with his Chakra being depleted while fighting Kaguya before sealing her?

The manga clearly shows they internally possess the Chakra. Sasuke would have lost his Rinnegan by now.

How is the Biju power and Six Paths Senjutsu for a Ten Tails' jinchuriki different when both powers come from the same source? You're grasping at straws.

Obito's Bijudama lacked senjutsu, yet the Ten Tails is the same entity that granted him Six Paths senjutsu. By your logic, though, both powers would come from separate sources.

Actually, by your logic, Killer B should also be using Senjutsu since Hachibi's Chakra has the same materials as Jubi's. What it means is Obito couldn't channel Senjutsu attacks because of his lack of skills in Senjutsu.

And to add to my point, this is the Databook:

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Six Paths Sage Mode (, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo)

Heading: A gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

The caster has an unconscious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (, fuyū suru nōryoku).

From what is translated other than the S06P physiological saying, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of Chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosophical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast Chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!

His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchūriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!

It says it was given by Hagoromo and not by the Bijus.

 

[Sageflash]

Yes, he has RSM mode. He could activate it any time he needed, however, he has not needed to use that power since post Kaguya's defeat/VoTE 2.

Goku didn't power up to SSJ3 to put the hurt on Uub at the end of DBZ, same as Naruto has no reason to pull out the big guns and launch his full power. Why would you go ham like that when full power BSM is enough?

 

[TheSages456]

TheSages456,

Your argument is contradictory right now. You said before that Hagoromo didn't pass his Chakra to Naruto and that Naruto was using Biju's Chakra together for RSM; now you're saying Naruto is using Hagoromo's Chakra through the Yang seal for RSM?

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No. I never said this, so the majority of your post is irrelevant. Not easy having a discussion with people whom can't keep up and misunderstand every point.

Are you suggesting the seals uses all of Hagoromo's Chakra, which is why he lost them after giving them? If this is what you're suggesting, then Hagoromo couldn't have sealed Kaguya with his Chakra being depleted while fighting Kaguya before sealing her?

When did any of my posts suggest the seals utilize all of Hagoromo's chakra? The seals possess a finite although massive amount of Hagoromo's Six Paths Yin & Yang chakra. That's a fact.

He still possessed chakra after handing out the seals, but simply not enough to summon Team 7 and the Biju back from Kaguya's dimension.

The manga clearly shows they internally possess the Chakra. Sasuke would have lost his Rinnegan by now.

That's what it shows when Sasuke needs to access the Yin seal to use a Six Paths chakra enhanced Chidori?

Actually, by your logic, Killer B should also be using Senjutsu since Hachibi's Chakra has the same materials as Jubi's. What it means is Obito couldn't channel Senjutsu attacks because of his lack of skills in Senjutsu.

The chakra of the 9 Biju together is the chakra of the Ten Tails. The Hachibi's chakra alone is not.

Your argument that Obito in his Ten Tails' jinchuriki form can't channel senjutsu doesn't even make sense.

And to add to my point, this is the Databook:

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It says it was given by Hagoromo and not by the Bijus.

Gift from Hagoromo=Hagoromo was the reason he awakened it.
That doesn't state that Hagoromo's chakra was the reason for Naruto awakening it.

 

[King Of Pop]

The term used was "Six Paths Power" in the Viz translation. They both benefited from Six Paths power which would be the Rinnegan & Six Paths Sage mode.
Nothing about Naruto or Sasuke internally possessing half of Hagoromo's chakra.
To Naruto & Sasuke via the seals, which were shown performing Six Paths CT, a jutsu that combines the chakra from both seals.
Sasuke was shown using Six Paths chakra enhanced Chidori once and when he did use it is was using the power of the seal.
Not sure how anyone would think that they internally possess half of Hagoromo's chakra, much less think that the finite amount of chakra that Hagoromo supposedly gave them is somehow unlimited. The idea itself is ridiculous.

so how did sasuke awaken his Rinnegan if hagoromo didnt give him his chakra?

 

[Superior Jinchuriki]

Okay, what is TSB, and KG???

 

[Edogawa]

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No. I never said this, so the majority of your post is irrelevant. Not easy having a discussion with people whom can't keep up and misunderstand every point.

You did.

''He gave Naruto the Yang Seal which contains his own Six Paths Yang chakra.''

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When did any of my posts suggest the seals utilize all of Hagoromo's chakra? The seals possess a finite although massive amount of Hagoromo's Six Paths Yin & Yang chakra. That's a fact.

He still possessed chakra after handing out the seals, but simply not enough to summon Team 7 and the Biju back from Kaguya's dimension.

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Underlined: That's not what he says. He said he doesn't have that Chakra anymore because he gave it away. So he didn't have anything left.

Bold: So, let's say the seals contained a lot of Hagoromo's Chakra and he gave it away, he must still have had some left. Where did that go?

That's what it shows when Sasuke needs to access the Yin seal to use a Six Paths chakra enhanced Chidori?

That's just a design to make it look stand out. According to you, Sasuke possess Hagoromo's actual Chakra because of the Rinnegan, but Sasuke's Chidori colour was still blue and Hagoromo's Chakra is Senjutsu itself. Why didn't turn black, for instance,

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The chakra of the 9 Biju together is the chakra of the Ten Tails. The Hachibi's chakra alone is not.

Your argument that Obito in his Ten Tails' jinchuriki form can't channel senjutsu doesn't even make sense.

Does Hachibi not have the same materials as Jubi's?

It doesn't make sense due to your little comprehension. Nowhere did I say Obito's form doesn't channel Senjutsu. What I said is Obito can't channel Senjutsu to his attacks, otherwise, known as ''Senpou...''.

Gift from Hagoromo=Hagoromo was the reason he awakened it.
That doesn't state that Hagoromo's chakra was the reason for Naruto awakening it.

''Heading: A gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.''

Did you pass English?

 

[TheSages456]

You did.

''He gave Naruto the Yang Seal which contains his own Six Paths Yang chakra.''

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Tell me where I stated that the Yang Seal was the cause for Naruto's power when I already stated before that Hagoromo's chakra has nothing to do with his form?

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Underlined: That's not what he says. He said he doesn't have that Chakra anymore because he gave it away. So he didn't have anything left.

Bold: So, let's say the seals contained a lot of Hagoromo's Chakra and he gave it away, he must still have had some left. Where did that go?

And you're asking me if I passed English? :lol

Hagoromo: "I'll weave the signs. It's just that this jutsu requires a vast amount of chakra...
...Which I don't have right now, since I've given it away."

He doesn't state that he possessed no chakra left. He merely states that the summoning jutsu requires a vast amount of chakra and he can't use it since he has given a vast amount of his chakra away.

There isn't any point to your question. It was already stated that these seals possess Hagoromo's Six Paths power, so if the seals are detached from him, he will obviously have access to less chakra than before.

That's just a design to make it look stand out. According to you, Sasuke possess Hagoromo's actual Chakra because of the Rinnegan, but Sasuke's Chidori colour was still blue and Hagoromo's Chakra is Senjutsu itself. Why didn't turn black, for instance,

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Because the Six Paths chakra which is produced by the Rinnegan only isn't the same chakra that's being produced by his body.
Same as it was for Madara. None of his techniques excluding his ocular abilities were enhanced by the Rinnegan's Six Paths power.

If Sasuke possessed the chakra in the manner that you claim, then his Chidori would always be black. None of what you're saying makes a shred of sense.

Hagoromo's chakra isn't senjutsu itself either. He needs to balance natural energy with his own chakra to create senjutsu.

Does Hachibi not have the same materials as Jubi's?

It doesn't make sense due to your little comprehension. Nowhere did I say Obito's form doesn't channel Senjutsu. What I said is Obito can't channel Senjutsu to his attacks, otherwise, known as ''Senpou...''.

The Hachibi's chakra isn't equal to all 9 Biju, so nope.

The bold isn't going to be taken seriously and will be accepted as a concession. All of Obito's attacks excluding his Bijudama were Sage techniques.

''Heading: A gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.''

Did you pass English?

Nope. Hagoromo is the reason that the Biju took physical form inside Naruto's body, hence Hagoromo gifted him the form as stated in the databook, which also aligns with Shikamaru Hiden's explanation on Naruto's Six Paths Sage mode.

Naruto could not use any of the Biju's chakra powers prior to meeting Hagoromo.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Nope. Hagoromo is the reason that the Biju took physical form inside Naruto's body, hence Hagoromo gifted him the form as stated in the databook, which also aligns with Shikamaru Hiden's explanation on Naruto's Six Paths Sage mode.

nope...that was obito as written by kishimoto...ps shikamaru hiden is non-canon...it also stated nothing about naruto's SPSM

Naruto could not use any of the Biju's chakra powers prior to meeting Hagoromo.

because naruto did not ask the tailed beasts for chakra to use their KKG :sdo:

 

[TheSages456]

nope...that was obito as written by kishimoto...ps shikamaru hiden is non-canon...it also stated nothing about naruto's SPSM

Stop responding if you can't post anything that hasn't already been shot down hundreds of times.

None of the Biju possessed physical form in Naruto's body prior to meeting Hagoromo. Who gave him the chakra is 100% irrelevant to that point.

All novels are part of the Naruto new era project and stated to be part of the story by Shueisha. Show me a statement where any official head discredits it's position in the continuity or simply stop responding.

because naruto did not ask the tailed beasts for chakra to use their KKG :sdo:

A desperate argument :lol

He didn't ask because he couldn't. They didn't physically manifest until he met Hagoromo.

 

[Black Wizard]

At the end of the day Hagoromo gave SPSM to Naruto, its right there in the data book, however the Yang seal is a separate thing because even when it left Naruto's hand he still had access to that form. The same can be said about Sasuke as well, all these abilities came from the sage.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Stop responding if you can't post anything that hasn't already been shot down hundreds of times.

None of the Biju possessed physical form in Naruto's body prior to meeting Hagoromo. Who gave him the chakra is 100% irrelevant to that point.

All novels are part of the Naruto new era project and stated to be part of the story by Shueisha. Show me a statement where any official head discredits it's position in the continuity or simply stop responding.

not written by kishimoto= NON ****ING CANON :sdo: the rest of that comment is bullcrap unless stated by KISHIMOTO :sdo:

A desperate argument :lol

He didn't ask because he couldn't. They didn't physically manifest until he met Hagoromo.

^^^ this makes no ****ing god damn sense...they manifested when naruto first freed the jinchuriki from obito :sdo:

 

[baul 24]

May be he can use it if he gets a portion of all tailed beasts chakra again.

 

[TheSages456]

not written by kishimoto= NON ****ING CANON :sdo: the rest of that comment is bullcrap unless stated by KISHIMOTO :sdo:

For some reason, you think that you can decide the criteria for what counts in the series. :lol

Any work produced by any official head is part of the series if stated by any of those official heads.

^^^ this makes no ****ing god damn sense...they manifested when naruto first freed the jinchuriki from obito :sdo:

Naruto physically using their chakra to connect with the actual Biju inside Obito's body is not equivalent to 8 Biju manifesting in full form inside Naruto's body.