Six Paths Sage Mode Debate!

[Black Wizard]

First of all there have been a shitload of threads in the past about if Naruto does still have this mode or not. The main problem with this whole debate is the fact that Kishimoto has been very inconsistent with Naruto's modes. They always have a difference appearance when showed, for example in Boruto The Movie two modes were showed which looked completely different which made it even more confusing to the viewers and myself.

People have been saying because Naruto does not use tailed beast KG anymore or does not have TSB either it means that he does not have SPSM anymore. Also the Six Paths Pattern on the his back is no longer there as well and his skin glows, which in SPSM it didn't.

However the one check that make people assume he still has it, is there is no sage pigmentation around the eyes anymore. Which is a fair theory, because ever since Naruto first used SPSM he does not have any pigmentation has evidence by the picture below. Also the picture on the left is SPSM and the picture on the right is the form Naruto took in Boruto The Movie which is supposedly SPSM as well but there has been no confirmation that it is.

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However again, from this picture the eyes are very different Naruto has bright yellow eyes in SPSM, but his eyes on the right are similar to his Kurama Sage Mode which are orange. However, this could be the fact that the animation in Boruto The Movie was quite different, because in my sig below Naruto's eyes look kind of yellow.

In whole, the SPSM debate will never come to a conclusion, unless Naruto shows evidence of all those things I explained earlier or he actually does have it who knows. However, in my opinion, I hope he still it has but honestly it does not matter if he does have it or not, people miss the simple fact that he has Kurama's full chakra, FULL f##kin chakra. Just think about that, why does Naruto even need SPSM ever since the series began he has only had half, even in the war he only had half and look how much he wrecked in the beginning. With Kurama's full power he does not need SPSM, he has the strongest chakra in the world. I know haters will hate this thread but its the truth.

 

[Styles]

He still have six paths sage mode. He is just missing the TSB and stuff because of the other tailed beasts chakra isn't "active" inside of him.

If he hold a meeting with them and ask for more chakra then it'll be the RSM everyone knows and loves.

 

[Black Wizard]

He still have six paths sage mode. He is just missing the TSB and stuff because of the other tailed beasts chakra isn't "active" inside of him.

If he hold a meeting with them and ask for more chakra then it'll be the RSM everyone knows and loves.

I hope, but its just become quite a mess with all these modes not that I hate them or anything.

 

[rollin]

i think if he wants to he can call the bijuus and do the six path sage mode with the tsb and nine tomoes
but i think he just uses sage mode with full kurama and i dont necessarily think that the pigments
around his eyes correlate with six paths sage mode but he just loses more frog traits when he has a stronger sage mode

 

[Black Wizard]

i think if he wants to he can call the bijuus and do the six path sage mode with the tsb and nine tomoes
but i think he just uses sage mode with full kurama and i dont necessarily think that the pigments
around his eyes correlate with six paths sage mode but he just loses more frog traits when he has a stronger sage mode

Good Point

 

[SenseiSama]

Naruto used BSM in the Last

RSM, is the same as the JuubiJin's power because they both produce Six Path Senjutsu which is the chakra Hagoromo was born with


To produce Six Path Senjutsu the Sage's descendants require the Juubi therefore Naruto's RSM is a result of mixing the chakra of all 9 bijuu with his own along with NE.


You can only say Naruto is using RSM when he has the same symbol on his back as the JuubiJin

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[00Rinne]

Those two modes you show are different! The one on the left is Naruto RSM full access to all bijuu with TSB & the one on the right is just Naruto's BSM. The pigmentation is gone now in his BSM cause he has accessed the ultimate SM (Rikudou) I think the reason for this is because he went into a higher realm of power an once he released it he brought some of that power back to his base form or his sage modes.

It's like Goku when he went into god mode but when that power drained he brought a tad bit of that power back to the form that he possessed. (It was stated by Beerus)

People want to see RSM in it's fullest again is understandable!. But at the time he was fighting a God on totally different lvl than anything in NV. An now he has his best friend with him to assist instead of being the problem so we may not see that mode for some time cause Sasuke is the only1 he'd use Full RSM on if not some1 powerful than Kaguya...

There's no point in that mode as long as Sasuke is on his G path......

 

[chaos control]

Even so RSM >>>> Full Kurama alone.

RSM actually added some versatility to Naruto's arsenal that could actually be very useful in adverse situations. Truth seeking ball for example can negate ninjutsu, be shaped into multiple things , destroy on a molecular level and be used both offensively (for stuff like explosions), defensively (for stuff like shields ) and even in a supplementary way to make stuff like platforms. With truth seeking balls Naruto could actually beat enemies that he otherwise wouldn't be able to beat just by virtue of the fact that the balls destroy on contact. Furthermore , Naruto was able to achieve various useful effects from some of the bijuu elements. For example , magnet release allowed Naruto to bind and seal targets (which is useful against immortal opponents) and boil release allowed Naruto to power through mountains.

In short RSM gave Naruto way more versatility with his arsenal than he had before.

With what we've been seeing from adult Naruto lately however, he seems to have just gone back to the plain old chakara arms , rasengan, Kurama avatar style. These aren't bad moves , but it takes away alot of things that could help Naruto in a pinch. It also renders giving Naruto RSM just about useless in the first place since there's pretty much no difference between BSM and the power that adult Naruto showcases. That is kind of disappointing.

Also ,Naruto seems to have gotten the short end of the stick when compared to Sasuke who actually gained new techniques as an adult such as the dimensional portal or shadow clone jutsu (I know the latter is not a big feat , but for a susanoo user it means that they can do like Madara and make a susanoo clone army).

 

[chaos control]

Naruto used BSM in the Last

RSM, is the same as the JuubiJin's power because they both produce Six Path Senjutsu which is the chakra Hagoromo was born with


To produce Six Path Senjutsu the Sage's descendants require the Juubi therefore Naruto's RSM is a result of mixing the chakra of all 9 bijuu with his own along with NE.


You can only say Naruto is using RSM when he has the same symbol on his back as the JuubiJin

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No. RSM is actually the form that is nearly identical to Naruto's base form that Naruto was in when he saved Guy and kicked Madara's truth seeking balls. This form does not require bijuu chakara. It only requires rikudou chakara and senjutsu (as shown by the fact that Hagoromo had RSM before becoming the juubi jinchuuriki which means that Hagoromo did not actually have bijuu chakara at the time).

This information is actually given in the 4th databook jin no sho.

The cloaked form you mentioned above (the one we all truly wish to see) is what requires bijuu chakara.

 

[Styles]

I hope, but its just become quite a mess with all these modes not that I hate them or anything.

Kinda easy to distinguish imo. Just sometimes it's hard when he have no cloak on. Even in RSM he never had a cloak like some people think. It was just his old jacket just unzipped and tattered.

 

[Black Wizard]

Those two modes you show are different! The one on the left is Naruto RSM full access to all bijuu with TSB & the one on the right is just Naruto's BSM. The pigmentation is gone now in his BSM cause he has accessed the ultimate SM (Rikudou) I think the reason for this is because he went into a higher realm of power an once he released it he brought some of that power back to his base form or his sage modes.

It's like Goku when he went into god mode but when that power drained he brought a tad bit of that power back to the form that he possessed. (It was stated by Beerus)

People want to see RSM in it's fullest again is understandable!. But at the time he was fighting a God on totally different lvl than anything in NV. An now he has his best friend with him to assist instead of being the problem so we may not see that mode for some time cause Sasuke is the only1 he'd use Full RSM on if not some1 powerful than Kaguya...

There's no point in that mode as long as Sasuke is on his G path......

Thank's for pointing that out about the pic, I forgot to mention that just edited it now. Good point about the modes, maybe Naruto is not using it because just like you said there is no reason to.

 

[SenseiSama]

No. RSM is actually the form that is nearly identical to Naruto's base form that Naruto was in when he saved Guy and kicked Madara's truth seeking balls. This form does not require bijuu chakara. It only requires rikudou chakara and senjutsu (as shown by the fact that Hagoromo had RSM before becoming the juubi jinchuuriki which means that Hagoromo did not actually have bijuu chakara at the time).

This information is actually given in the 4th databook jin no sho.

The cloaked form you mentioned above (the one we all truly wish to see) is what requires bijuu chakara.

Look at Naruto's eyes, they have BSM pattern which means bijuu chakra is used

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And why do you think he was able to use the bijuu KKG ? Because the bijuus chakra was mixed with his own

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RSM = 9 bijuu + his chakra + NE because Si Path Senjutsu = Juubi chakra


Kishi already made it clear, RSM cloak automatically gives the user TSB and the 9 tomoe pattern on the back like a JuubiJin because Six Path Senjutsu is the same chakra as JuubiJin utilizes

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What naruto used in the Last was BSM not RSM because

1. He had no TSB when the cloak was activated

2. He couldn't use the bijuu KKG

3. The cloak design was not RSM

 

[Black Wizard]

Even so RSM >>>> Full Kurama alone.

RSM actually added some versatility to Naruto's arsenal that could actually be very useful in adverse situations. Truth seeking ball for example can negate ninjutsu, be shaped into multiple things , destroy on a molecular level and be used both offensively (for stuff like explosions), defensively (for stuff like shields ) and even in a supplementary way to make stuff like platforms. With truth seeking balls Naruto could actually beat enemies that he otherwise wouldn't be able to beat just by virtue of the fact that the balls destroy on contact. Furthermore , Naruto was able to achieve various useful effects from some of the bijuu elements. For example , magnet release allowed Naruto to bind and seal targets (which is useful against immortal opponents) and boil release allowed Naruto to power through mountains.

In short RSM gave Naruto way more versatility with his arsenal than he had before.

With what we've been seeing from adult Naruto lately however, he seems to have just gone back to the plain old chakara arms , rasengan, Kurama avatar style. These aren't bad moves , but it takes away alot of things that could help Naruto in a pinch. It also renders giving Naruto RSM just about useless in the first place since there's pretty much no difference between BSM and the power that adult Naruto showcases. That is kind of disappointing.

Also ,Naruto seems to have gotten the short end of the stick when compared to Sasuke who actually gained new techniques as an adult such as the dimensional portal or shadow clone jutsu (I know the latter is not a big feat , but for a susanoo user it means that they can do like Madara and make a susanoo clone army).

I agree, RSM did bring more versatility to Naruto when it came to more Jutsu's. However, having full Kurama does make up for power though.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

As it stands, there is no solid proof that Naruto still has All nine Biju or S06P Mode, I havent seen him use Goudoudama's or the other Biju's power at all.

And Besides it's not that important. He just gets Goudoudama's(Even Gai broke them with sheer force) and more elements(Which he uses only for Rasengans -_-)

 

[patrickscott]

I don't think he has it anymore either. As I've been repeating these past years, now the question of can he get it back at will is another thing because if you've noticed it enough Naruto gets kind of showy when he had his high level sage chakra.

 

[Styles]

As it stands, there is no solid proof that Naruto still has All nine Biju or S06P Mode, I havent seen him use Goudoudama's or the other Biju's power at all.

And Besides it's not that important. He just gets Goudoudama's(Even Gai broke them with sheer force) and more elements(Which he uses only for Rasengans -_-)

I thought Kakashi Kamui'd it.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

I thought Kakashi Kamui'd it.

Kakashi did, but Gai also broke it too.

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[Styles]

Kakashi did, but Gai also broke it too.

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XD Well damn.

 

[take it easy]

As it stands, there is no solid proof that Naruto still has All nine Biju or S06P Mode, I havent seen him use Goudoudama's or the other Biju's power at all.

TSB arent bijuu related power.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

TSB arent bijuu related power.

I said "or" making a clear separation from TSB and Biju's Power. ;]

But like I said we haven't seen either recently.