Six Paths of Pain vs EMS Sasuke

[ARGUS]

Okay, let's say it's close to a nearly formed 50% Kyubi. It would still be smaller than EMS Sasuke's legged V4 Susanoo, considering his V3 when enhanced by a Kyubi cloak was the

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Terrible analogy, considering that same V3 susanoo was boosted by over 6x,
no way in hell would is his regular legged V3 be anywhere near that level,
especially when we have

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Madaras susanoo in general is much larger than sasukes, so why would their legged susanoo wouldnt be any different?

as for their V4 susanoos Lol,
Sasukes V4

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Madaras V4

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sasukes V3 or V4 susanoo wont do shit against CT, nor should it be granted feats of KN8 thats relatively the same size of Kyuubi
when through scaling and scans, his susanoo would be no where near as powerful

If KN8 has the physical strength to break free from CT, EMS Sasuke's larger V4 can too.

Already debunked

Uh, Unstabilized PS =/= Perfect Susanoo. Which is the only thing restricted here. It doesn't change the fact that they are completely different Susanoo versions, whereas V4 and Unstabilized PS are the same thing. It doesn't matter what you call it, it's not Perfect Susanoo.

has sasuke even showed the use of V4 legged?

And CT is not restraining Sasuke's legged V4 when it can break out.

yet i havnt seen one proof aside from yu claiming it to be equivalent to kyuubi from scaling it to madaras

I said that TBB didn't hit CT because the scan you linked me to was of a different TBB but I'm not denying that KN6 did fire a TBB at CT.

Ok,

...And yet, the same TBB hit KN6

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and did no significant damage. Nope, obviously Deva didn't tank it but there's no way he escaped the blast range completely considering its size and the fact that his clothes were damaged (

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the BT boulder held the main explosion as much as possible,
giving deva more than enough time to shunshin as far away as he could,
he only faced the outskirts of the explosion

What I'm saying is you're tremendously overrating the power of KN6's Bijuu Dama and justifying its power only by showing the size of its explosion, and size obviously doesn't indicate DC as shown with

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except neither tenpechi or katon are explosions, they are both different types of attacks, and have nothing to do with a KN6 TBB
larger explosion = stronger explosion,
when it comes to explosions, their size is the main indicator of their DC, and there is absolutely no other measure,
because then one could say that juubidama is weaker than kyuubis TBB because size doesnt indicate DC, or bring the same old focused argument


I am overrating a KN6 TBB? how?
because judging by its explosion it still has the DC feats that take a dump on anything that sasukes regular susanoos have shown,
one would need a butt load of proof to say otherwise

KN6's Bijuu Dama is even weaker than SM FRS, which

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a full 50% Kyubi whose durability is >>> KN6.

It temporarily stopped the kyuubi, yet it shrugged it off and formmed the largest TBB that it has ever shown
again, this doesnt hold much weight

Not to mention, I wasn't even talking about Susanoo destroying the core with Susanoo slashes in the first place. I said it would tank the rocks and break free of CT with its physical strength.

Yet that is obviously not working since susanoo slashes are its strongest output, and if its slashes cant stop the core,
then why on earth would it be able to break free with something thats inferior?

Size of explosion =/= power of explosion.

Uhh then what is?
larger explosion = stronger explosion, there is absolutely no other measure,

Yes, and both KN6 and his Bijuu Dama were under the boulder so he still took the brunt of the explosion. Deva didn't receive much damage, I can agree with that.

Yes

It won't get restrained, because its slashes will break the rocks apart even if it gets

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by rocks, Susanoo breaks itself out.

Again that isnt stopping the core from forming, cutting up some rocks isnt doing anything considering how strong the gravitational pull of the core really is, as itll eventually bring the susanoo up and restrain it,

Why are its slashes unable to take out the core, or break free from the surrounding rocks? Don't use that KN6 Bijuu Dama example because it's weaker than FRS.

does a KN6 TBB have to be stronger than an FRS for sasukes susanoo to be unable to break free? i seriously hope not
the slashes are unable to take out the core because they havnt shown the output to be anywhere near even a KN6 TBB which was taken by the core with no damage whatsoever,
its really that simple, sasukes slashes would do jack shit
when his full slash is unable to stop the core, then how on earth would his slash (whilst being restrained) be enough?

The fact that Bijuu Dama+FRS+YM busted CT isn't proof that anything weaker won't bust it.

I know, but that just goes to show the level of output to bust it
sadly, sasuke doesnt possess output even a fraction of that

1. No, it hasn't.

Prove it

2. This isn't about destroying the core because my premise is that Susanoo breaks itself free from the rocks.

already debunked

 

[ARGUS]

CST will take time due to the other paths deactivating in by that time Sasuke could go in for the blitz

Am i supposed to take you seriously here?
sasuke has shown no speed feats to be able to blitz the paths with shared vision

or simply uses Manda to curl himself up or escape underground.

and deactivating the paths would immediately let him know that CST is coming?
not to mention that would that even be enough for him to survive?
considering that an attack like CST is the absolute nightmare for a heavy summon like manda

CT is more devastating the CST so the same thing can be said here. Even though it's pure speculation that the paths will have to deactivate for him to use CT it's most likely true because it is a greater tech than CST. So once again before pain could even get the orb out of his hands Susanoo arrows or Amaterasu spawns him.

except CST activation is still more or less instant, the only reason it took long for nagato to use it was because he had to aim it at the whole village,

once CST activates, susanoo arrows and amatersasu would be shrugged off like trash with sasuke getting mopped off the face of the earth
not to mention that deva has already shown us that he can evade something like a susanoo arrow since he has already evaded an FRS (which travels the same speed) from point blank,

Also what i meant by it's not certain i was referring to Sasuke could stop him before those techs can even be used not he could survive them if there used against him.

yeah that can be done,
he can win if he manages to prevent those 2 techs,

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Pain high diff

Legged sousano attack can be countered with shinra tensei or petra itself. Amatarsu would be half useless since pain can bring the bodies back and by the time he realizes it he will be low on chakra.

Anyway sasuke has no counter to CT.

 

[Prince Charles]

I still don't see how sasuke is losing this. He has too much Fire power at his disposal to not own them.

Only real problem I see here is CT and that's if Pain manages to pull it off before sasuke rofl stomps them.

 

[DrProof]

I still don't see how sasuke is losing this. He has too much Fire power at his disposal to not own them.

Only real problem I see here is CT and that's if Pain manages to pull it off before sasuke rofl stomps them.

Couldn't Sasuke just use his Tsukuyomi on one path, which will affect them all due to optic sharing? Pretty much one-shot.

 

[Prince Charles]

Couldn't Sasuke just use his Tsukuyomi on one path, which will affect them all due to optic sharing? Pretty much one-shot.

I heard that theory before but I remember someone trying to refute it and it sort of made sense but its still always a possibility I guess.

 

[DrProof]

I heard that theory before but I remember someone trying to refute it and it sort of made sense but its still always a possibility I guess.

How was it refuted homie? I wouldn't think it would be unless the Rinnegan had some chakra cancellation shit or something like that. I mean it all connects to Nagato's eye so it incapacitates him, and his pawns. But idk, I don't know much about doujutsu worth shit. lmao.

 

[Prince Charles]

How was it refuted homie? I wouldn't think it would be unless the Rinnegan had some chakra cancellation shit or something like that. I mean it all connects to Nagato's eye so it incapacitates him, and his pawns. But idk, I don't know much about doujutsu worth shit. lmao.

Idk honestly, all I remember is that the dude said slick shit to me on my profile wall convo and convinced me wouldnt be able to work lmao. I think he said something along the lines of '' realistically the paths arent technically making eye contact with the sharigan and also the sharigan user which would be sasuke in this case isn't technically looking them in the eyes either just the one path''

You know how sharigan genjutsu works right? Both the user and the victim have to meet eye contact I, sasuke in this case isnt look the paths in their eyes directly so a genjutsu link can't be established even if the other paths see his sharigan but sasuke isn't looking at their eyes as well.

Bofl some BS like that bro, the dude sounded pretty convincing thats all I remember lmao.

 

[Misconception]

Am i supposed to take you seriously here?
sasuke has shown no speed feats to be able to blitz the paths with shared vision

Not sure why your overrating the path's reaction time here. SM Jiraiya managed to land some good blows on the paths. EMS Sasuke is just as fast as KM Naruto since he had no problem at all keeping up with him plus MS alone was able to fight on par with v1 Ei is who is faster than the paths.

and deactivating the paths would immediately let him know that CST is coming?
not to mention that would that even be enough for him to survive?
considering that an attack like CST is the absolute nightmare for a heavy summon like manda

Yes because intel is full and what other tech could he do that would deactivate the paths besides his strongest CST and CT? No it's not when Manda can go underground and completely evade most of the force of a CST.

except CST activation is still more or less instant, the only reason it took long for nagato to use it was because he had to aim it at the whole village,

Yes but the paths deactivating gives Sasuke a warning sign.

once CST activates, susanoo arrows and amatersasu would be shrugged off like trash with sasuke getting mopped off the face of the earth
not to mention that deva has already shown us that he can evade something like a susanoo arrow since he has already evaded an FRS (which travels the same speed) from point blank,


yeah that can be done,
he can win if he manages to prevent those 2 techs,

He would never be foolish enough to try Susanoo arrows or Amaterasu once CST is used. But can he evade multiple Susanoo arrows is the real question. Not to mention he'll be trying to evade Susanoo arrows and Enton projectiles which isn't happening.

 

[Draegod]

I still don't see how sasuke is losing this. He has too much Fire power at his disposal to not own them.

Only real problem I see here is CT and that's if Pain manages to pull it off before sasuke rofl stomps them.

Ct isn't needed, pain has wayyyy more fire power no disputing!

 

[NSUNSR]

Couldn't Sasuke just use his Tsukuyomi on one path, which will affect them all due to optic sharing? Pretty much one-shot.

Tsukuyomi won't work on Pain. Rinnengan has already countered the strongest genjutsu Infinite Tsukoyomi. Also Genjutsu can't affect dead bodies with no thoughts.

 

[Izanamı.]

Tsukuyomi won't work on Pain. Rinnengan has already countered the strongest genjutsu Infinite Tsukoyomi. Also Genjutsu can't affect dead bodies with no thoughts.

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[Kushina san]

Sasuke has not Tsukuyomi just to clarify

 

[NSUNSR]

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Doens't matter, Tsukoyomi isn't a sound genjutsu, and Jiraya's jutsu paralyzed the opponent, it didn't control them.
Yeah, i exaggarated it, but Tsukoyomi will still not work.

 

[Izanamı.]

Doens't matter, Tsukoyomi isn't a sound genjutsu, and Jiraya's jutsu paralyzed the opponent, it didn't control them.
Yeah, i exaggarated it, but Tsukoyomi will still not work.

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works by paralysing the nerves on the opponents mind.

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All genjutsu functions by making use of cranial nerves which are nerves that reside in the brain, to control the chakra of the opponent.

Cranial nerves are nerves that emerge directly from the brain (including the brainstem), in contrast to spinal nerves (which emerge from segments of the spinal cord).[1] Cranial nerves exchange information between the brain and parts of the body, primarily to and from regions of the head and neck.[2]

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And we've seen the effects of

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on the target's brain.

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INJUTSU; KEKKEI GENKAI; Tsukuyomi
User: Uchiha Itachi
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: none

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Amidst the insight and hypnosis possessed by Sharingan, is a supreme genjutsu, born from the aforementioned hypnosis: Tsukuyomi. Originally, people on the face of the Earth live bound by limitations like time, gravity, and space; and how people exert their abilities within those restrictions is what separates the victors from the vanquished. But in the mental world where the caster drags their opponent, the Tsukuyomi jutsu gives them control over those very limitations!

Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible. Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands. Some time, they will undergo the torments of Hell, and some other time, they will be repeatedly shown a horrendous, hellish picture of agony and mayhem*, with no idea of when either of those will end. As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!! Even a body made of iron or the speed of light are powerless before this jutsu, which is the reason why it is feared as the most powerful.

Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labeled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness. Once could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes.

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-An inner hell as eternal as Heaven and Earth. The grip held onto the principles of all creation thoroughly annihilates one's heart and soul!!

-The ultimate doujutsu made possible only by Mangekyou Sharingan.


-The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster's to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency.
*阿鼻叫喚 (abikyoukan) translates as "agonizing cries", or "pandemonium". It's also a specific name for a couple of hellish realms in Buddhism. Try Wikipedia or Onmark Productions for better info.

So yes, Tsukuyomi would work if Pein was somehow tricked to fall for it. Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi though.

 

[NSUNSR]

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works by paralysing the nerves on the opponents mind.

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All genjutsu functions by making use of cranial nerves which are nerves that reside in the brain, to control the chakra of the opponent.

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And we've seen the effects of

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on the target's brain.


So yes, Tsukuyomi would work if Pein was somehow tricked to fall for it. Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi though.

Oh didn't know about that. BTW where did you get the translation for Gama Rinsho. Also Rinnengan can counter Infinite tsukyomi, so no regualar Tsukoyomi is not working.

 

[Izanamı.]

Oh didn't know about that. BTW where did you get the translation for Gama Rinsho.

I just typed on google images: Gama rinsho databook.

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Also Rinnengan can counter Infinite tsukyomi, so no regualar Tsukoyomi is not working.

Totally forgot about this. Though I'm still doubtful if Pein can see through Itachi's Tsukuyomi because you actually need Uchiha blood to break it.

 

[Prince Charles]

Ct isn't needed, pain has wayyyy more fire power no disputing!

Lol what bro? Restrict CT, sasuke rapes. Facts

 

[Oblivionx]

Pain wins ex high diff...! without PS i'd give it to pain...!

 

[Misconception]

Tsukuyomi won't work on Pain. Rinnengan has already countered the strongest genjutsu Infinite Tsukoyomi. Also Genjutsu can't affect dead bodies with no thoughts.

Sasuke Rinnegan was not the average Rinnegan clearly... I would love to see Nagato block I.T...