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Explaining Madara's Immortality!!!
I made this thread because I was getting irked by some users claiming that Madara isn't Immortal and that he can be vaporized completely and not survive. Also claiming that other verses that "appear" stronger can kill Madara or Kaguya because they don't have immortals in their own verse so how can Naruto. You know the typical Narutoverse is weak crap.
This will be a long thread given support to how Madara (Kaguya) is an Absolute Immortal.
Six Paths Chakra
Truthseeker Orbs
"The black orbs, which comprises the power of Yin-Yang and Five Elements, are worn by those who have manifested the senjutsu of Rikudou. The orbs float behind the Jutsu user in a circular formation, and could be controlled individually at will. While each orb is the size of a fist, within them conceals enough power to obliterate a forest with ease. The blacks orbs, which holds the power of the universe, can freely change their shape. The numerous nature comprised within may be combined to realize a diversity of effects. With that, a power that exceeds 'kekkei genkai' and 'kekkei touta' can be easily created!
Though usually spherical in form, the 'Truthseeking Orbs' may freely alter their shape according to the will of the Jutsu user. At times they become the shape of a hand and grab a target from afar, they may even partially transform into the shape of a weapon and be thrown."
Put simply, shinra banshou means 'all phenomena' and 'all existence,' which can refer to the Universe itself. I'd agree with the correction.
The Truthseeker Orbs can destroy at a metaphysical level via Six Paths chakra
The level of damage the tsb can harm someone and exist at are listed below:
TSB Negation
Six Paths chakra Negation
Six Paths chakra attacks can negate reality warping powers like Naruto's yin-yang release healing.
Six Paths chakra is reality warping so essentially it can negate other Six Paths chakra techniques. Kaguya's Ash bones does damage on a meta and physical level so no amount of healing can save someone if they were hit by here bones unless were talking more powerful nigh omnipotents and omnipotents.
Kaguya herself is a nigh omnipotent being. Before Madara absorbed the Shinju he still had Six Paths chakra which can make him very hard to kill. Because Six Paths chakra and its regeneration is the complete form of Izanagi. So yes even before Madara absorbed the shinju he could regenerate from complete vaporization because Six Paths regeneration is does on a metaphysical level.
Let's not forget that despite Hagoromo seperating himself from the Juubi and dying. Six Paths chakra is still part of him. A power he inherited. A power that transcends death, time, space, etc. Why Hagoromo died of old age when he could have used his Six Paths chakra to warp reality? Because despite being all powerful characters are still limited by their persona and ideals. Hagoromo is one of those characters that believed that power corrupts.
Madara vs Gai
Shorter Version
Kaguya reformed her being from chakra on multiple occasions in the manga
Kaguya was going to tank/survive this
We know the level of damage TSB does. It is essentially all of Kaguya's power as she is the origin of chakra. A being that can create parallel universes.
Madara truly did absorb eternity. Kaguya is absolutely Immortal as she is can negate and reform (from) any attack in the Narutoverse.
There's the simple fact that the powers and feats that are in Naruto are comparable and similar to other verses like Bastard and GetBackers ya know high tier manga verses. Itachi's Izanami is a perfect counter Akabane's Divine Providence.
I made this thread because I was getting irked by some users claiming that Madara isn't Immortal and that he can be vaporized completely and not survive. Also claiming that other verses that "appear" stronger can kill Madara or Kaguya because they don't have immortals in their own verse so how can Naruto. You know the typical Narutoverse is weak crap.
This will be a long thread given support to how Madara (Kaguya) is an Absolute Immortal.
Six Paths Chakra
So to start off I will first start off with the the Creation of All Things or also known as Yin-Yang release. Having the power of the Six Paths essentially makes you a reality warper.
What is COAT/Yin-Yang release
Izanagi
Naruto uses a Complete form of Yin-Yang release/COAT
Naruto regenerates/creates an eye for Kakashi at a metaphysical level.
Supported by the Databook.
Naruto uses Yin-Yang release to revive Obito again this is at a metaphysical level
Naruto's power to heal people is the strongest form of regeneration in fiction. Is known as meta-regeneration.
The ability to heal from absolutely anything, at a metaphysical level. The user can heal from anything completely even if there is absolutely nothing remaining of the body. Like for an example Kakashi didn't have an eye it was completely gone yet Naruto restored it.
Ignoring Time and Space
Six Paths chakra users can transcend time and space even if they don't have teleportation powers like Naruto. A prime example being Hagoromo and Naruto. Hagoromo travelling through time and meeting both Naruto and Sasuke simultaneously on an astral plane.
More battle feat example is Naruto fighting against beings that existed in another world called Limbo a different time and space or dimension.
In the GetBackers manga, Ban Mido did a similar feat. He was able to damage and match the speed of another character that existed outside of his time and space another timeline.
What is COAT/Yin-Yang release
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Izanagi
We have seen the power of Izanagi, it could bring the user back to life at a metaphysical level.
Similar to Akabane's Divine Providence who can regenerate and be immortal at a metaphysical level.
However Izanagi was an incomplete form of COAT/ Yin-Yang release. Because as you guys know Wind + Water release is not the same Ice release. Well the same thing applies to Yin-Yang release. People like Danzo, Obito, and Madara were just combining Yin and Yang release which is not the same as the actual Yin-Yang release.
As Obito explains it they're just combining senju power with Uchiha
Similar to how Naruto and Sasuke combined Fire with Wind only using a psuedo Scorch release.
Obito explains that Six Paths power is essentially the power to warp reality.
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Similar to Akabane's Divine Providence who can regenerate and be immortal at a metaphysical level.
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However Izanagi was an incomplete form of COAT/ Yin-Yang release. Because as you guys know Wind + Water release is not the same Ice release. Well the same thing applies to Yin-Yang release. People like Danzo, Obito, and Madara were just combining Yin and Yang release which is not the same as the actual Yin-Yang release.
As Obito explains it they're just combining senju power with Uchiha
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Similar to how Naruto and Sasuke combined Fire with Wind only using a psuedo Scorch release.
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Obito explains that Six Paths power is essentially the power to warp reality.
Naruto uses a Complete form of Yin-Yang release/COAT
Naruto regenerates/creates an eye for Kakashi at a metaphysical level.
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Supported by the Databook.
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Naruto uses Yin-Yang release to revive Obito again this is at a metaphysical level
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Naruto's power to heal people is the strongest form of regeneration in fiction. Is known as meta-regeneration.
The ability to heal from absolutely anything, at a metaphysical level. The user can heal from anything completely even if there is absolutely nothing remaining of the body. Like for an example Kakashi didn't have an eye it was completely gone yet Naruto restored it.
Ignoring Time and Space
Six Paths chakra users can transcend time and space even if they don't have teleportation powers like Naruto. A prime example being Hagoromo and Naruto. Hagoromo travelling through time and meeting both Naruto and Sasuke simultaneously on an astral plane.
You must be registered for see images
More battle feat example is Naruto fighting against beings that existed in another world called Limbo a different time and space or dimension.
In the GetBackers manga, Ban Mido did a similar feat. He was able to damage and match the speed of another character that existed outside of his time and space another timeline.
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Truthseeker Orbs
"The black orbs, which comprises the power of Yin-Yang and Five Elements, are worn by those who have manifested the senjutsu of Rikudou. The orbs float behind the Jutsu user in a circular formation, and could be controlled individually at will. While each orb is the size of a fist, within them conceals enough power to obliterate a forest with ease. The blacks orbs, which holds the power of the universe, can freely change their shape. The numerous nature comprised within may be combined to realize a diversity of effects. With that, a power that exceeds 'kekkei genkai' and 'kekkei touta' can be easily created!
Though usually spherical in form, the 'Truthseeking Orbs' may freely alter their shape according to the will of the Jutsu user. At times they become the shape of a hand and grab a target from afar, they may even partially transform into the shape of a weapon and be thrown."
Put simply, shinra banshou means 'all phenomena' and 'all existence,' which can refer to the Universe itself. I'd agree with the correction.
The Truthseeker Orbs can destroy at a metaphysical level via Six Paths chakra
The level of damage the tsb can harm someone and exist at are listed below:
Astral level
Spiritual level
Physical level
Dimensional level
Metaphysical level (The simple fact that the existence of Minato's arms is null like Tobirama said permanently gone not even Naruto can heal the damage done to Minato).
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Spiritual level
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Physical level
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Dimensional level
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Metaphysical level (The simple fact that the existence of Minato's arms is null like Tobirama said permanently gone not even Naruto can heal the damage done to Minato).
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TSB Negation
Obito used the power of the tsb to heal his back by negating the damage done to his back via Yin-Yang release. The damage was done by a Senjutsu Rasengan. People try to limit the negation powers the tsb to ninjutsu (chakra only thing like they do genjutsu).
You'll notice the damage to his back is gone
Also the negation of Ninjutsu is still done at a metaphysical level. The power of Yin-Yang release (Six Paths chakra) is reality warping so its nonsense to try limit their power only to the Narutoverse.
You'll notice the damage to his back is gone
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Also the negation of Ninjutsu is still done at a metaphysical level. The power of Yin-Yang release (Six Paths chakra) is reality warping so its nonsense to try limit their power only to the Narutoverse.
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Six Paths chakra Negation
Six Paths chakra attacks can negate reality warping powers like Naruto's yin-yang release healing.
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Six Paths chakra is reality warping so essentially it can negate other Six Paths chakra techniques. Kaguya's Ash bones does damage on a meta and physical level so no amount of healing can save someone if they were hit by here bones unless were talking more powerful nigh omnipotents and omnipotents.
Kaguya herself is a nigh omnipotent being. Before Madara absorbed the Shinju he still had Six Paths chakra which can make him very hard to kill. Because Six Paths chakra and its regeneration is the complete form of Izanagi. So yes even before Madara absorbed the shinju he could regenerate from complete vaporization because Six Paths regeneration is does on a metaphysical level.
Let's not forget that despite Hagoromo seperating himself from the Juubi and dying. Six Paths chakra is still part of him. A power he inherited. A power that transcends death, time, space, etc. Why Hagoromo died of old age when he could have used his Six Paths chakra to warp reality? Because despite being all powerful characters are still limited by their persona and ideals. Hagoromo is one of those characters that believed that power corrupts.
Madara vs Gai
Gai's 8th Gate is pretty damn powerful. He was essentially warping reality with sheer speed and power.
Gai running on air by kicking the air. That's impossible yet he did it.
Gai distorting space with sheer speed and power with Night Guy which was capable of killing Madara
Let's just keep in mind that the Rinnegan can see many things a normal eye cannot. Also the Night Guy can kill Danzo even if he uses Izanagi. Because Six Paths chakra regeneration is Izanagi at its peak.
The power of Night Guy is hax since it is essentially a Kamui achieved by physical speed and strength but more powerful so its speed is instantaneous/immeasurable.
Gai running on air by kicking the air. That's impossible yet he did it.
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Gai distorting space with sheer speed and power with Night Guy which was capable of killing Madara
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Let's just keep in mind that the Rinnegan can see many things a normal eye cannot. Also the Night Guy can kill Danzo even if he uses Izanagi. Because Six Paths chakra regeneration is Izanagi at its peak.
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The power of Night Guy is hax since it is essentially a Kamui achieved by physical speed and strength but more powerful so its speed is instantaneous/immeasurable.
Shorter Version
Kaguya reformed her being from chakra on multiple occasions in the manga
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Kaguya was going to tank/survive this
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We know the level of damage TSB does. It is essentially all of Kaguya's power as she is the origin of chakra. A being that can create parallel universes.
Madara truly did absorb eternity. Kaguya is absolutely Immortal as she is can negate and reform (from) any attack in the Narutoverse.
There's the simple fact that the powers and feats that are in Naruto are comparable and similar to other verses like Bastard and GetBackers ya know high tier manga verses. Itachi's Izanami is a perfect counter Akabane's Divine Providence.
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