[VS] Simple BASE Sasuke versus BASE Naruto

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I know full well how they work. The chakra is evenly distributed among each clone, giving each clone an equal part of the users overall power, but they easily get destroyed by a more powerful force as opposed to the original (i.e fire justu, shuriken jutsu, Kusanagi, etc). The fact is, is that Naruto's shadow clones will not connect, as Sasuke has superior speed / reflexes than Naruto. He doesn't need to predict his movements when his base skills that are already in tip top shape. Sasuke in base has shown better feats when it comes to speed, so a simple slow assault would mean nothing.



Naruto may have large chakra reserves, but that still doesn't take away from the fact that he is slower.
Naruto would lose out in terms of speed. Naruto's Kyubi mode grants him major speed increments. Base form is much slower thus he would be having trouble with Sasuke's speed and by the time he knows it, he would have a Chidori pierced through his head.


Yes, because his shadow clones will be tanking Sasuke's fire attacks..

Sasuke intelligence with what is shown in the manga seems to be much more clever than Naruto's. I don't think the trick of rushing from behind will work on Sasuke. Furthermore, he needs to reach Sasuke at a very close distance at which point Sasuke can keep the distance using Chidori Spear and Chidori Nagashi, which he used against Naruto and Sai to protect himself meaning any clones attempt at getting close to him gets destroyed.
Plus, if Sasuke wants to he could troll Naruto using his hawk to get the distance while using his Chidori Spear or Shurikenjutsu as shown with Danzo and naruto would have nothing to get Sasuke since he would be too high to reach.
He also has his Chidori Spear for more distance to keep Naruto away from him, and that doesn't even include Chidori spear or fire techs.



I guess you missed the part where he completely passed out after creating all of those clones.
Naruto has shown to creates hundreds of clones using Rasengans with SM only.
Show me scans or stop spouting bs.




Those strategies will not work on Sasuke.



Wind Released Rasengan? You mean that same attack that he needs to use in SM or otherwise his arms get injured? Good to know. Sasuke also has fire style to counter his wind style and FRS needs to be used upclose in base, so good luck with that.



You mean the same Sasuke that broke free of Itachi's Tsukuyomi? Tsukuyomi being a much stronger and more powerful genjutsu than Ma and Pa's fodder song technique?? Right.

I find Sasuke way to underestimated here. Sasuke has speed advantage and has ninjutsu advantage. Naruto has stamina advantage with numbers.
Saying that Naruto can simply win over Sasuke with clones is rather a overstatement, since Naruto splits his chakra thus clones are inferior by default to Sasuke. Creating too much clones will leave him chakra empty and FRS takes a lot of it, so don't count on 100 clones and FRS spam. Also, Rasengan is close combat only, while Sasuke has many long distance attacks.
Sasuke can counter many clones fairly easy with Shurikenjutsu like when he fought Itachi, at long range as well as with his fire techniques. At mid range Chidori Senbons and Chidori Nagashi will do the job, and at close combat w/e is left finished with taijutsu and Chidori Spear. Meanwhile, Naruto throws a Rasen: Shuriken at him, but a Fireball jutsu is the best counter for that, as the wind element will fuel the fire and make the jutsu at range back fire.

Also, at people saying that Naruto has gotten better at base speed. I didn't know that using KM,BM or frog katas improved base Naruto's taijutsu skills, and its not like Sasuke forgot how to use taijutsu, he just hasn't used it recently. Unless base Naruto did some extra training, or Sasuke has been proved to be weakened in taijutsu, I don't believe a gap with naruto and sasuke's taijutsu is that large.
Also, I don't get how people think the "small" gap with Naruto and Sasuke's taijutsu helps Naruto that much, and the "huge" gap with base Naruto and base Sasuke's speed. Sasuke has shunshin which has shown to be much more advanced than Naruto's speed so don't give me the clone Rasengan spam crap.

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Chidori Nagashi has no reason to backfire at Sasuke from Fuuton. FRS is to be thrown anyway and regardless FRS is nicely countered by fireball. And as far as clones go they have never done the job against any decent ninja, the more Naruto makes then the easier it is to cut them up. Furthermore I love how people say that Naruto can simply make waves of clones and all with Rasengans, and then spam some more Fuuton Rasengans. Do you people even understand that Naruto can barely make 2 Fuuton's with his base form? If he makes too many clones then its only 1 Fuuton Shurikn and if the clones make the Rasengans then its no Fuuton Rasengan. FRS is countered by Fire style anyway, so its wise for Naruto to not even use it. Couple handful of clones with Rasengans is the best move for Naruto, and yet it doesn't even guarantee victory. Sasuke has way more chances than Blondie.
Although I don't think Naruto had Wind Release: Rasengan used by a multitude of clones without SM, he did have base Rasengan used by a multitude of clones when he was training to create the Wind Release: Rasengan. Just touching on the point that one base Rasengan (tore up a water tank), would be more than enough to take out Sasuke if it connects.
 

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Just imagine where his 1000 clones would lie as every Kage Bushin divides the Chakra by half. Where would that put the 1000th Clone at? Now, Sasuke fried many of them with a single Katon attack over the roof top and that was before Sasuke even had 3 T. Him taking out hundreds upon hundreds of Ninjas with weapons without a single drop of blood speaks volumes. And he didn't even look tired. Sasuke's Kenjutsu skills are the finest next to Bee in the manga.

How good is Naruto at Base Level? I think I am about to laugh.
 

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Naruto. He has stronger summonings, and Naruto can use Rasenshuriken in base, he just can't spam it. One Rasenshuriken is enough to take care of Sasuke, though.
 

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That's laughable. 1000 shadow clones that are much weaker than the caster itself not to mention the amount of chakra drained after summoning countless clones in a reckless manner. Long distance fire jutsu can handle that, not to mention that Sasuke has already beaten many enemies easily, so Naruto's shadow clones mean nothing to Sasuke.
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"Not a drop of blood on him."

500 of them launching Rasengans at Sasuke? This is not SM Naruto. When has Naruto displayed summoning 1000 shadow clones while using Rasengans in just base? Without SM or Kyubi chakra, he will be drained from summoning too many clones, if that's the route you are trying to take. Saasuke is better at using his jutsu more wisely and with better chakra taxing as compared to Naruto who goes in one all out assault just to get fodderized by someone with better taijutsu and kenjutsu skills.

If Naruto decided to get close then Chidori Nagashi will take care of him and he will end up just like this.
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Not to mention he has Chidori senbon to get rid of more useless clones that would prove to be a nuisance for Sasuke. His hawk can be used to get to the air and evade ground confrontation of need be not to mention Aoda can slither and evade meaningless attacks that Naruto would promise. Aoda is faster than Gamabunta so his attacks would be useless.

Lool Naruto against gaara summoned probably 1000 thousand clones and was still able to summon Gamabunta afterwards...he's above sasuke in that aspect especially when it comes to stamina

How does sasuke dodge Naruot's Summoning:food cart destroyer technique

Lool if 1000 clones surround sasuke like against Gaara , how's fireball jutsu taking all of them out at once..he can't spin around while doing it..he has no choice but Taijustu or kenjutsu, and those samurai's were fodders...Naruto's clones at that time, were able to deal that much damage to a jinchuuriki who sasuke noted to be fast and strong

Also, Rasenshuriken is extremely fast, if sasuke leaves any opening he's done for
 

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naruto mid def, with out the 9tails naruto would of been able to fuse with ma and pa upping his genjutsu and ninjutsu stats along with his sensory skills.

enough said
 

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Rasenshuriken could kill Base Naruto but then again Kirin could kill Naruto also. If Sasuke manages to summon Kirin, he wins. If Naruto uses Rasenshuriken and lands it, he'd win.
 

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Some of you need to stop downplaying Naruto and his shadow clones. They are not weak and useless. This is not part 1 Naruto who, majority of the time, tries to defeat his opponents by out numbering them with shadow clones. He now uses his base shadow clones strategically and that’s the reason his shadow clones are very effective. His shadow clones are equal in strength to the original and are capable of perform any jutsu the original can. They just don't have as much chakra as the original which is not a problem for Naruto. In part 1 Naruto could create 1,000 shadow clones and his chakra and control has greatly increased since then. At one point during his element training Naruto created 200 shadow clone and then spend 8 hours training to learn the wind rasengan with those clones.

When Naruto fought Kakuzu his clones easily created an opening on Kakuzu. They did that by distracting Kakuzu and forcing him to turn and face the opposite directing the real Naruto was attacking him from so he would not notice the attack until the last possible moment. The only reason Naruto didn't defeat Kakuzu the first round was because Naruto miscalculated how long he could maintain his incomplete jutsu and he was off by mere seconds.

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When Naruto clones fought Madara they used a super great rasengan against him and forced him to counter with Susanoo.

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I would like to see just how effective Sasuke chidori nagashi and chidori senbon are against a shadow clone attacking him with a super great rasengan. Since that jutus is bigger than Naruto and he can use defensively like a shield to block attacks.



When Naurto fought the cloud ninjas he used a shadow clone to stop Karui attack by catching her sword. The Naruto is the second person in the manga to catch a sword using bare hands. Killer Bee was the first. Those cloud ninjas are Killer Bee's students.

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Stop trying to place Naruto's base shadow clones on the same level as the ninjas Sasuke defeated training underneath Orochimaru. If Naruto base shadow clones were on their level than Kakuzu, Madara, and those cloud ninja would have easily defeated those clone with very little effort and they would have been complete useless in those situations.
 

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Naruto. He has stronger summonings, and Naruto can use Rasenshuriken in base, he just can't spam it. One Rasenshuriken is enough to take care of Sasuke, though.
No. As Snakes are canonically more than twice the power of a single summon, proven by the fact when Bunta and Katsuya couldn't handle manda at all. In fact, Manda's unhinged jaws are as big as Bunta, he almost swallowed him whole had Tsunade not saved him.

It was actually Jiraiya, Bunta, Katsuya Versus Manda. Tsunade had to intervene to save their asses. You cannot be serious ...
 
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No. As Snakes are canonically more than twice the power of a single summon, proven by the fact when Bunta and Katsuya couldn't handle manda at all. In fact, Manda's unhinged jaws are as big as Bunta, he almost swallowed him whole had Tsunade not saved him.

It was actually Jiraiya, Bunta, Katsuya Versus Manda. Tsunade had to intervene to save their asses. You cannot be serious ...
Manda isn't listening to sasuke and sasuke can't mind rape him.
Adoda gets manhandled by bunta,ichi, and the rest of them.
 
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Are you joking, when the manga states that Snake Summons are superior? Manda doesn't have to, when he'll face Bunta. Aoda is what? Lol
I never said snake summons are superior. U made that claim.

What? Manda isn't fighting for sasuke. Manda can just cancel the Summon.

Aoda is gonna get bopped by gamabunta,gamashiro,gamaichi etc etc etc.
 

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I never said snake summons are superior. U made that claim.

What? Manda isn't fighting for sasuke. Manda can just cancel the Summon.

Aoda is gonna get bopped by gamabunta,gamashiro,gamaichi etc etc etc.
Do I even need to state the obvious that why he would listen?

No he is not. Don't make stuff up that is backed by nothing. Aoda should be able to handle two summons easily. Add Manda into the mix and they're shit stomped, eaten whole in fact. Manda and Aoda shit on the Toads. Don't know which manga you have been reading.
 
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