[VS] SH's vs Jack

[chopstickchakra]

So my SH's v Doffy thread got more attention than I expected(even if it was mostly two-three people debating) so let's give it another go.

How do you think the SH's would fare in an all out battle with Jack. To avoid any possible confusion this time I do mean the entire crew vs Jack at one time the same way they fought Oars. I don't mean crew vs crew I mean SH's vs Jack on his own. I mean current SH's from DR. Can the SH's take him out or is his hype too much for you to consider their win possible? At what diff either way and who of the crew(if any) do you think Jack would KO/injure in the process?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I think if the whole crew participates against him they would beat him.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I think if the whole crew participates against him they would beat him.

easily, medium high? Some members getting KO'd or injured or all staying up?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

easily, medium high? Some members getting KO'd or injured or all staying up?

Near I'm thinking low to medium because of the strawhats team work.
In the end luffy, Zoro, and Sanji would be the last ones standing against Jack but Jack would suffer some heavy casualties before ultimately taking him down. That's how I see it in my opinion.

 

[Urda]

They would get demolish. I think they would need some help like what happen to Doffy.

 

[KakarotxUchiha]

I agree with Tobious, I think luffy zoro and sanji would also be the last one standing, but honestly.i think zoro with luffy could do it, low diff. or even zoro with sanji but that would be mid diff

 

[chopstickchakra]

Near I'm thinking low to medium because of the strawhats team work.
In the end luffy, Zoro, and Sanji would be the last ones standing against Jack but Jack would suffer some heavy casualties before ultimately taking him down. That's how I see it in my opinion.

I agree with Tobious, I think luffy zoro and sanji would also be the last one standing, but honestly.i think zoro with luffy could do it, low diff. or even zoro with sanji but that would be mid diff

See I'm not s sure I agree, if it's the whole crew at once I think Franky could hang until Jack's put down as well.

Also Kakarot, if Luffy & Zoro could beat him on their own then why would so many SH's get taken out when they're all there together?

 

[Gitch]

God Usopp takes this no diff !

Ot: id say hard diff with Luffy and Zoro up by the end of the battle with heavy dmg taken....
Sanji didnt show feat of tanking big hits.

 

[Insidious Smile]

Even if you say "Straw-hats VS Jack", the ones who would truly be fighting Jack head on are Sanji, Luffy, and Zoro, because there is almost nothing the rest of the straw-hats can do to stop Jack.

If the monster trio fought Jack well coordinated they can win; In a 1v1 battle against Jack all of the Straw-hats get stomped.

 

[Punk Hazard]

We still don't have a complete grasp on Jack's strength. Idk why people insist on making match-ups with characters whose strength is as vague as Jack's. How are we to possibly answer this?

 

[WoldOfFingo]

I don't rate Jack that far above Doffy. And Doffy only managed to avoid fatal damage for so long against Luffy because of awakening and the versatility and speed he has. Jack seems not really fast to me so honestly I think G4 Luffy alone would give him the fight of his life.. Adding Sanji and Zoro would make things easyer. I don't care for his billion beri bounty.

 

[Bogard]

Doesn't matter considering if it goes the way i think it'd go, the Zou power configuration would be

Zou Luffy >= Doflamingo >= Dressrosa Luffy ~ Zou Law >= Zoro > Dressrosa Law

Not only Luffy wasn't healthy when he faced Doflamingo, but he especially grew stronger from Dressrosa. Pretty certain he may even show stronger attacks than King Kong Gun

 

[Insidious Smile]

We still don't have a complete grasp on Jack's strength. Idk why people insist on making match-ups with characters whose strength is as vague as Jack's. How are we to possibly answer this?

The guy fought for 5 days.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Even if you say "Straw-hats VS Jack", the ones who would truly be fighting Jack head on are Sanji, Luffy, and Zoro, because there is almost nothing the rest of the straw-hats can do to stop Jack.

If the monster trio fought Jack well coordinated they can win; In a 1v1 battle against Jack all of the Straw-hats get stomped.

Franky has Shogun Franky AND Kizaru lasers, I know his Pink fight didn't show anything past fists but I think people are sleeping on Franky a little. He wouldn't be the one to finish Jack and may not even be a crucial help but I don't think he'd be decommissioned before Jack was put down.

We still don't have a complete grasp on Jack's strength. Idk why people insist on making match-ups with characters whose strength is as vague as Jack's. How are we to possibly answer this?

How do you answer a hypothetical question? Really? Anyway they'd do it the same way the base has been doing it for months, his hype which is why I said "is his hype too much for you to consider their win possible?" This isn't a show me proof question it's a how do you feel question. Do you feel Jack's hype is equivalent to the levels we've seen from the SH's it's not that complicated. Also it's really more a question to gauge NB's Jack hype.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Franky has Shogun Franky AND Kizaru lasers, I know his Pink fight didn't show anything past fists but I think people are sleeping on Franky a little. He wouldn't be the one to finish Jack and may not even be a crucial help but I don't think he'd be decommissioned before Jack was put down.



How do you answer a hypothetical question? Really? Anyway they'd do it the same way the base has been doing it for months, his hype which is why I said "is his hype too much for you to consider their win possible?" This isn't a show me proof question it's a how do you feel question. Do you feel Jack's hype is equivalent to the levels we've seen from the SH's it's not that complicated. Also it's really more a question to gauge NB's Jack hype.

I don't think you understand what hypothetical questions are. Even with his hype, Jack's strength is still extremely vague. We have no real baseline of his strength. We can say how we feel, but is there any real discussion here? Lack of proof just means this thread will either segway into one or more other characters not mentioned being debated, or die out.

The guy fought for 5 days.

Jack and his army fought for five days. Ace also fought for five days as a rookie.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I don't think you understand what hypothetical questions are. Even with his hype, Jack's strength is still extremely vague. We have no real baseline of his strength. We can say how we feel, but is there any real discussion here? Lack of proof just means this thread will either segway into one or more other characters not mentioned being debated, or die out.



Jack and his army fought for five days. Ace also fought for five days as a rookie.

No I got hypotheticals down are you sure you do? I'm sure I don't need to go put the dictionary def. here but in case of, based on, or serving as a hypothesis; a hypothetical proposition or statement proposing a scenario that will not happen and estimating how it plays out is the definition of a hypothetical situation.

@bold - Which really should be a tool used to bolster Ace's rep rather than try and downplay another but I know many are hesitant to give Ace credit for things.

 

[Punk Hazard]

No I got hypotheticals down are you sure you do? I'm sure I don't need to go put the dictionary def. here but in case of, based on, or serving as a hypothesis; a hypothetical proposition or statement proposing a scenario that will not happen and estimating how it plays out is the definition of a hypothetical situation.

A hypothetical question doesn't change that the information regarding the question is so miniscule and/or vague that discussion the question isn't worthwhile.

We have so little to make our estimations on, there isn't much of a point to.

@bold - Which really should be a tool used to bolster Ace's rep rather than try and downplay another but I know many are hesitant to give Ace credit for things.

It's both. It's impressive for Ace because he was a rookie at the time. It's not impressive for Jack because he should be far beyond that level and should be doing something more impressive. Especially when you consider that he had backup and could have easily retreated to rest for a bit before jumping back into battle.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Sanji didnt show feat of tanking big hits.

Huh?


OT: Can't tell for now. From what we've seen aka his full animal mode, It'd be for the strawhats around mid diff due to his stamina and durability. Though jack obviously has more to him and if oda had off-paneled most of his fight then there's no way to know

 

[Insidious Smile]

Franky has Shogun Franky AND Kizaru lasers, I know his Pink fight didn't show anything past fists but I think people are sleeping on Franky a little. He wouldn't be the one to finish Jack and may not even be a crucial help but I don't think he'd be decommissioned before Jack was put down.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Franky has shogun", though I am aware that Franky can use lasers beams. Let's be honest, Franky is not hitting Jack with a beam.

Jack and his army fought for five days. Ace also fought for five days as a rookie.

Jack's crew was easily defeated by the mink tribe, it was after the fact that Jack decided to step in. Jack fought for five days and five nights straight without taking a break. It is clear that Jack has an outstanding endurance.

Ace did not fight characters on the level of Inu and Neko for five days. :|

Luffy has never had a fight last more than a few hours, how is he going to defeat a character that is presumably stronger than Doffy?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Jack's crew was easily defeated by the mink tribe, it was after the fact that Jack decided to step in. Jack fought for five days and five nights straight without taking a break. It is clear that Jack has an outstanding endurance.

Are you sure? Because I do not remember it going like this at all.

Ace did not fight characters on the level of Inu and Neko for five days. :|

I doubt Inu and Neko are far above Jinbei.

Luffy has never had a fight last more than a few hours, how is he going to defeat a character that is presumably stronger than Doffy?

You really think Oda is gonna draw a fight that lasts for five days? You really think that? For one fight?