[Discussion] SH's vs Doffy

[LBeezy]

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and he doesnt need to control 8SH. If he use parasyte string on Zoro and Sanji then its game over for remaining SH's. he will deal wit luffy himself.

Thank you. I asked because I didn't remember if he ever did that or not.

And tbh.. based on this, it looks like the only StrawHats that are capable of getting Parasite used on them is Usopp and Nami, and maaaayyybe Chopper, I guess depending on what form he's in at the time..

This wouldn't be too much trouble during the fight because Robin, Brook and Franky are stronger and can deal with the three by literally just even holding them still.. Therefore it ends up being Sanji, Zoro and Luffy against Doflamingo at once. I'd like to see Doflamingo play with the puppets on his fingers while being kicked at, a swordsman with 3 swords attacking, and not to mention a f*cking Gear 4th Luffy attacking him... lol

Yeah.. good luck Doflamingo.

Man did you really just ask that? You've lost this argument. Blaze already put the shots up but how could you forget Doffy used Parasite on the entire Riku army to take over the island? Also you Avi and Toshizo are deluding yourselves if you think Room wasn't a necessity in that fight between L&LvD. Most if not all of the hits pre G4 wouldn't have connected and Luffy would have died without Room swaps.

I asked a question because I didn't know the answer, and instead of Google or searching through chapters, I figured I'd ask someone who knows about the attack more than I do.

And Lol its not an argument dude.. it's all based on OPINION. And tbh, those who want Doflamingo to win have the odds completely stacked against them.

How many times are people going to ignore the fact that Law and Luffy would've had it much easier if there was never a Trebol or a Bellamy during their fight.

Yall talk about how room did this and room did that... "take away room and how does anyone win against Doflamingo??".... when it's clear that if you took away Trebol and Bellamy, Luffy and Law would've won sooner and easier.

Now.... in THIS hypothetical fight, you're taking away the Trebol and the Bellamy from Doffy's side.. and you are also taking away Law and the precious "room" from Luffy's side, BUT you're replacing him with 8 other fighters (who apparently yall think are completely worthless and good for nothing) which literally includes Zoro and Sanji..

Doflamingo loses this.. sorry.

 

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Didn't doffy stretch sanji body for over heat like he stopped him from kicking and then stretched his body out like ginger bread man and tried to overheat him until law shambles etc? So that is invalid if that is the case (in terms of the whole he can only restrain ppl)

Don't know would have to look at the scene. It's been awhile.

 

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Thank you. I asked because I didn't remember if he ever did that or not.

And tbh.. based on this, it looks like the only StrawHats that are capable of getting Parasite used on them is Usopp and Nami, and maaaayyybe Chopper, I guess depending on what form he's in at the time..

This wouldn't be too much trouble during the fight because Robin, Brook and Franky are stronger and can deal with the three by literally just even holding them still.. Therefore it ends up being Sanji, Zoro and Luffy against Doflamingo at once. I'd like to see Doflamingo play with the puppets on his fingers while being kicked at, a swordsman with 3 swords attacking, and not to mention a f*cking Gear 4th Luffy attacking him... lol

Yeah.. good luck Doflamingo.



I asked a question because I didn't know the answer, and instead of Google or searching through chapters, I figured I'd ask someone who knows about the attack more than I do.

And Lol its not an argument dude.. it's all based on OPINION. And tbh, those who want Doflamingo to win have the odds completely stacked against them.

How many times are people going to ignore the fact that Law and Luffy would've had it much easier if there was never a Trebol or a Bellamy during their fight.

Yall talk about how room did this and room did that... "take away room and how does anyone win against Doflamingo??".... when it's clear that if you took away Trebol and Bellamy, Luffy and Law would've won sooner and easier.

Now.... in THIS hypothetical fight, you're taking away the Trebol and the Bellamy from Doffy's side.. and you are also taking away Law and the precious "room" from Luffy's side, BUT you're replacing him with 8 other fighters (who apparently yall think are completely worthless and good for nothing) which literally includes Zoro and Sanji..

Doflamingo loses this.. sorry.

Nobody's saying they're worthless but you guys when you try to interpret some subtext that isn't there. They're not as valuable in this scenario, that's what I'm and others I see here are saying.

"take away room and how does anyone win against Doflamingo?

By actually being stronger than him which right now Luffy isn't and he's the strongest of the SH's so if the strongest isn't stronger than Doffy then none of the others are either clearly. So without being able to over power him they need some kind of tactical advantage. None of the SH's skill sets help set up a strategic advantage as well as Room would. That's the argument.

You keep jumping back to gear 4 dominates Doffy but it's not that cut and dry. G4 kept him on the ropes for the most part but it wasn't even enough to KO him the first time around. Plus Sanji already showed in the manga he wouldn't be able to hurt Doffy in a fight so really the only thing him and the others could hope to offer is some form of strategic diversion.

 

[Skull Knight]

Thank you. I asked because I didn't remember if he ever did that or not.

And tbh.. based on this, it looks like the only StrawHats that are capable of getting Parasite used on them is Usopp and Nami, and maaaayyybe Chopper, I guess depending on what form he's in at the time..

This wouldn't be too much trouble during the fight because Robin, Brook and Franky are stronger and can deal with the three by literally just even holding them still.. Therefore it ends up being Sanji, Zoro and Luffy against Doflamingo at once. I'd like to see Doflamingo play with the puppets on his fingers while being kicked at, a swordsman with 3 swords attacking, and not to mention a f*cking Gear 4th Luffy attacking him... lol

Yeah.. good luck Doflamingo.

1)Doffy has control more than 8 guys numerous times(in X-Drake flashback, Riku flashback and when he activated BC at Dressrosa).
2)He tried to use Parasyte on Fujitora but failed. This means he has used Parasyte on stronger guys before like Diamond Jozu at MF

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3)As i said in my previous post if he can control Zoro and Sanji then its over for SHs. Sanji will stop Luffy which means luffy cant go gear 4. Meanwhile zoro will kill other SHs.

 

[BusinessManTeno]

Law is stronger than Zoro and him and Luffy together couldn't bring down Doflamingo, even with Gear 4th being used. There's no way Luffy and Zoro alone are taking down Doflamingo. Doflamingo creates a Shadow Joker or two and controls Sanji and everyone weaker than him. Is Zoro and Luffy just gonna plow through their friends? I think not. A numbers game isn't a good way to fight Doflamingo, especially when the third strongest of the numbers have shown they can't fend off Doflamingo's marionette powers and the second strongest is weaker than Law, who couldn't bring down Doflamingo with Luffy without the help of Gats and dozens of Colosseum fighters.

People seem to forget Doflamingo's defeat was very, very circumstantial and forget the amount of help it took for Luffy and Law to actually bring him down.

Law is more of a power house.. Saying law is stronger is like saying Bart is stronger then luffy

even though luffy cant break his barrier, luffy is stronger.

Laws room is the only reason alot of things went through but in an all out fight, zoro would take out law. Like dead ass he took out pica with no problem what so ever. Laws df is the reason one would classify him as "stronger" so what people says go

luffy and zoro could take doffy
actually doffy wasnt winning that fight period.. at some point the admiral would have had to step in and plus sabo was there. lol

 

[LBeezy]

Nobody's saying they're worthless but you guys when you try to interpret some subtext that isn't there. They're not as valuable in this scenario, that's what I'm and others I see here are saying.


By actually being stronger than him which right now Luffy isn't and he's the strongest of the SH's so if the strongest isn't stronger than Doffy then none of the others are either clearly. So without being able to over power him they need some kind of tactical advantage. None of the SH's skill sets help set up a strategic advantage as well as Room would. That's the argument.

You keep jumping back to gear 4 dominates Doffy but it's not that cut and dry. G4 kept him on the ropes for the most part but it wasn't even enough to KO him the first time around. Plus Sanji already showed in the manga he wouldn't be able to hurt Doffy in a fight so really the only thing him and the others could hope to offer is some form of strategic diversion.

Who's to say Robin can't use two arms to come out of Doffy's shoulders and break his neck? Or AT LEAST cover his eyes causing him an annoyance during a physical fight with another SH?

Who's to say Usopp can't shoot shit at him that will cause him to defend or block for a quick second, in that quick second allowing another SH to attack and land a blow?

Who's to say Nami can't use a lightning attack on him? Does lightning have zero effect on Doflamingo? If not a lightning attack surround him with clouds, momentarily blocking his vision..

Who's to say Franky can't shoot lasers and bullets/missiles at him causing him to defend or block for a moment, therefore allowing another SH to get a stronger attack in?


All of these things can happen more than once.

The "other SH's" I'm referring to who can land solid blows on Doflamingo is Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy. (NO Sanji didn't harm him in there quick little skirmish, but he was clearly strong ENOUGH to cause Doflamingo to literally be still and stop for a second to block. This is fact.) Sanji can do the same DJ which cause Doffy to block for a moment, and Zoro or G4 Luffy can literally attack Doflamingo at the same time from behind or from the side.. whichever..

All of these attacks can be done, and a Gear 4th Luffy can be attacking at the same time.


You also keep ignoring the fact that if it wasn't for Trebol and Bellamy, Law and Luffy would've defeated Doflamingo easier and sooner.

1)Doffy has control more than 8 guys numerous times(in X-Drake flashback, Riku flashback and when he activated BC at Dressrosa).
2)He tried to use Parasyte on Fujitora but failed. This means he has used Parasyte on stronger guys before like Diamond Jozu at MF

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3)As i said in my previous post if he can control Zoro and Sanji then its over for SHs. Sanji will stop Luffy which means luffy cant go gear 4. Meanwhile zoro will kill other SHs.

Like you said "IF he can control Zoro and Sanji".. keyword being "IF"... and since he never did so in the manga, we don't have proof that he can.. and imo, I don't think that he can, with all of the SH's attacking at once..

Why would the SH's just stand there and let Doffy attack?

PLUS, like I said earlier, let's say he does manage to land Parasite on a couple SH's.. this being completely hypothetical, certain other SH's can deal with that situation by either trying to break Parasite all together or at least just hold the ones effected back. Leaving G4 Luffy to still get attacks in.

Like I said, with G4 Luffy attacking Doflamingo, when or how does Doflamingo have time to play with puppets attached to his fingers and make them do what he wants??

 

[Skull Knight]

Like you said "IF he can control Zoro and Sanji".. keyword being "IF"... and since he never did so in the manga, we don't have proof that he can.. and imo, I don't think that he can, with all of the SH's attacking at once..

In MF he was fighting numerous WB allies and still he manged to stop Jozu.

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what makes u think he cant use parasyte if all of them attacks him?

Why would the SH's just stand there and let Doffy attack?

most of them are useless against Doffy. He can fly. Only guys who can fly in SH's is Sanji(who was defeated easily by Doffy).

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and Luffy(he will not start the fight wit G4).

Brook, Nami,Chopper are useless. They were crying when they saw Doffy coming.Sanji told them to escape.

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and lets not bring GOD Ussop in this. He will shit his pants if he see doffy coming towards him

PLUS, like I said earlier, let's say he does manage to land Parasite on a couple SH's.. this being completely hypothetical, certain other SH's can deal with that situation by either trying to break Parasite all together or at least just hold the ones effected back. Leaving G4 Luffy to still get attacks in.

He knows who are the strongest guys in SH's. lets assume he uses parasyte on Zoro, Sanji and Robin. Luffy is fighting wit his clone. how other guys are going to stop Zoro, Sanji, Robin?

Like I said, with G4 Luffy attacking Doflamingo, when or how does Doflamingo have time to play with puppets attached to his fingers and make them do what he wants??

He will use his clone

 

[chopstickchakra]

Who's to say Robin can't use two arms to come out of Doffy's shoulders and break his neck? Or AT LEAST cover his eyes causing him an annoyance during a physical fight with another SH?

Who's to say Usopp can't shoot shit at him that will cause him to defend or block for a quick second, in that quick second allowing another SH to attack and land a blow?

Who's to say Nami can't use a lightning attack on him? Does lightning have zero effect on Doflamingo? If not a lightning attack surround him with clouds, momentarily blocking his vision..

Who's to say Franky can't shoot lasers and bullets/missiles at him causing him to defend or block for a moment, therefore allowing another SH to get a stronger attack in?


All of these things can happen more than once.

The "other SH's" I'm referring to who can land solid blows on Doflamingo is Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy. (NO Sanji didn't harm him in there quick little skirmish, but he was clearly strong ENOUGH to cause Doflamingo to literally be still and stop for a second to block. This is fact.) Sanji can do the same DJ which cause Doffy to block for a moment, and Zoro or G4 Luffy can literally attack Doflamingo at the same time from behind or from the side.. whichever..

All of these attacks can be done, and a Gear 4th Luffy can be attacking at the same time.


You also keep ignoring the fact that if it wasn't for Trebol and Bellamy, Law and Luffy would've defeated Doflamingo easier and sooner.




Like you said "IF he can control Zoro and Sanji".. keyword being "IF"... and since he never did so in the manga, we don't have proof that he can.. and imo, I don't think that he can, with all of the SH's attacking at once..

Why would the SH's just stand there and let Doffy attack?

PLUS, like I said earlier, let's say he does manage to land Parasite on a couple SH's.. this being completely hypothetical, certain other SH's can deal with that situation by either trying to break Parasite all together or at least just hold the ones effected back. Leaving G4 Luffy to still get attacks in.

Like I said, with G4 Luffy attacking Doflamingo, when or how does Doflamingo have time to play with puppets attached to his fingers and make them do what he wants??

No one's said they can't use their attacks to attack the problem is their difference in level to Doffy was shown by reflection of Luffy's level to Doffy tat they'd be nothing more than a nuisance.

I like Usopp but none of his shots(if they even connect) would do significant damage. Robin(through bad character usage mostly) has never broken anyones neck with Clutch and she's gotten much weaker enemies than Doffy and she's vulnerable to damage from her limbs so if she holds Doffy for a hit her limbs take the damage as well making it likely the only time they'd try is a dire situation. Nami's weather eggs could hit the other SH's, she'd best be suited using Mirage Tempo on G4 Luffy to help throw off Doffy and create an opening. Also why do you keep resorting to block/defend, you know there's a thing called dodging right? Doffy could dodge the projectiles rather than block them and continue fighting while dodging. When you create a scenario to suit your claim of course it'll seem like your choice is the only viable one.

I'm not ignoring them, they're not as effective as you make them out to be and yet you keep bringing them up. Bellamy was still just a weak chump character like he was at Jaya. He was embarrased in the Colosseum he was nearly killed by Dellinger who's not even one of the better of his rank(below Gladius, Pink and Lao G easily, others arguably) ANY damage he did to Luffy on DR was because Luffy let him.

You keep saying G4 like it's a miracle win. 1v1 100% each G4 loses to Doffy right now and that was shown in the manga when they were both damaged(Doffy more so but I know people won't admit that so say both equally damaged because Luffy absolutely wasn't more hurt than Doffy) and Luffy couldn't win with G4 and help. If Luffy's G4 over 15-20 minutes(or whatever it was) can't do enough damage to take down Doffy for good what damage can the SH's realistically do to take him down? The SH's would need a strategy as effective as Room to create opportunities to do significant damage to the point G4 could finish him.

 

[LBeezy]

In MF he was fighting numerous WB allies and still he manged to stop Jozu.

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what makes u think he cant use parasyte if all of them attacks him?


most of them are useless against Doffy. He can fly. Only guys who can fly in SH's is Sanji(who was defeated easily by Doffy).

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and Luffy(he will not start the fight wit G4).

Brook, Nami,Chopper are useless. They were crying when they saw Doffy coming.Sanji told them to escape.

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and lets not bring GOD Ussop in this. He will shit his pants if he see doffy coming towards him



He knows who are the strongest guys in SH's. lets assume he uses parasyte on Zoro, Sanji and Robin. Luffy is fighting wit his clone. how other guys are going to stop Zoro, Sanji, Robin?


He will use his clone

Stopping =/= controlling.

"Flying" a.k.a. using his strings doesn't change the fact that long-range attacks can still work..

Lmao at the Usopp part.. that's funny, I'll give you that. BUT Usopp can and has gotten serious when needed..

Doffy's clone gets rekt in a sec.

No one's said they can't use their attacks to attack the problem is their difference in level to Doffy was shown by reflection of Luffy's level to Doffy tat they'd be nothing more than a nuisance.

I like Usopp but none of his shots(if they even connect) would do significant damage. Robin(through bad character usage mostly) has never broken anyones neck with Clutch and she's gotten much weaker enemies than Doffy and she's vulnerable to damage from her limbs so if she holds Doffy for a hit her limbs take the damage as well making it likely the only time they'd try is a dire situation. Nami's weather eggs could hit the other SH's, she'd best be suited using Mirage Tempo on G4 Luffy to help throw off Doffy and create an opening. Also why do you keep resorting to block/defend, you know there's a thing called dodging right? Doffy could dodge the projectiles rather than block them and continue fighting while dodging. When you create a scenario to suit your claim of course it'll seem like your choice is the only viable one.

I'm not ignoring them, they're not as effective as you make them out to be and yet you keep bringing them up. Bellamy was still just a weak chump character like he was at Jaya. He was embarrased in the Colosseum he was nearly killed by Dellinger who's not even one of the better of his rank(below Gladius, Pink and Lao G easily, others arguably) ANY damage he did to Luffy on DR was because Luffy let him.

You keep saying G4 like it's a miracle win. 1v1 100% each G4 loses to Doffy right now and that was shown in the manga when they were both damaged(Doffy more so but I know people won't admit that so say both equally damaged because Luffy absolutely wasn't more hurt than Doffy) and Luffy couldn't win with G4 and help. If Luffy's G4 over 15-20 minutes(or whatever it was) can't do enough damage to take down Doffy for good what damage can the SH's realistically do to take him down? The SH's would need a strategy as effective as Room to create opportunities to do significant damage to the point G4 could finish him.

Their attacks being a nuisance is still a small distraction though.. The stronger SH's can take advantage of that and land better attacks.

Usopp doesn't have to cause damage per say.. just an annoyance will help the stronger fighters..

Same with Robin..

Same with Nami.. plus her "Thunder Lance Tempo" is an attack that goes straight from the cloud to her clima tact.. so it wouldn't hit other SH's..

I say block/defend because I'm using defend as a term for might have to dodge..

When you create a scenario to suit your claim of course it'll seem like your choice is the only viable one.

This is EXACTLY what you all are doing with Doflamingo in your posts.. this is what we're all doing when discussing a hypothetical fight.


And yeah Luffy let Bellamy attack him. That's the point. Luffy didn't want to hurt Bellamy. Why do you think Oda put Bellamy there?? To show how ruthless Doflamingo is. To show how good of a person Luffy is. And along with Trebol, to show that Doflamingo needed help against both Law and Luffy. (And he still lost. Lol)


The point is not necessarily the "damage" but rather the Haki and energy that Luffy used before getting to officially fight Doflamingo.. take away the coliseum fights, Bellamy, and Trebol, and Luffy's Gear 4 would've probably lasted longer. Plus Law and Luffy would've defeated Doflamingo easier and sooner.