Obviously. You do know Madara is my favourite character, right? Anyone would think i've a vendetta against the man. Edo Madara would crush Nagato. EMS Madara would get defeated by Nagato.
tsunade were there to tell them so how come you said it was no intel ?:sy:
and even tsunade who know about the jutsu still get caught by the gas.......
Obviously. You do know Madara is my favourite character, right? Anyone would think i've a vendetta against the man. Edo Madara would crush Nagato. EMS Madara would get defeated by Nagato.
Ok cool just making sure we all knew even nagato supports. And I don't think EMS madara would get defeated by nagato I think that is when you will get the close battle that could go either way.
tsunade were there to tell them so how come you said it was no intel ?:sy:
and even tsunade who know about the jutsu still get caught by the gas.......
Tsunade just said that's Hashirama's technique, Mei then pointed out the obvious to not touch the pollen. That intel wouldn't make a huge difference.
The reason they got caught in the gas was because Madara knocked them down. Which is less likely to happen to Nagato because of his linked vision, he can still use shinra tensei to defend or petra path to stop susanoo.
I never said that it will kill Madara out right but it will send him flaying long enough for Nagato to recharge. and it is not speculation that Nagato does need a recharge time in his power's, It is stated in the manga that he is way faster then pain and pain only had 5 second interval in his ST, so how long Nagato will have?, i also never said that Madara will be pulled out of susanoo, it is not possible to pull him out from a fully formed susanoo, and a normal St not being able to deflect his attack is only a speculation on your part, it has been proved that Naruto's FRS is powerfull enough to cut through mountain's, and pain neglected it with very low lvl ST.
No, you got that wrong. Naruto merely said that Nagato's techniques are stronger and faster than that of Pain. He didn't refer to the interval, which is after all a part of Shinra Tensei. It is clear that the it's still there, and I doubt that it is notably shortened. Even if it was, the interval for Chou Shinra Tensei is several minutes long, more than enough time for Madara to get back to Nagato.
That a normal Shinra Tensei is not enough is indeed only speculation on my part, that's why I said 'that's rather debatable'. Rasen Shuriken was never cutting mountains. It hasn't even the size of a mountain when it expends. It was cutting big, plant-like tendrils on Myobokuzan, and small rocks after Chibaku Tensei crumbled. Nothing more. Apart from that Susanoo's sword is way bigger, and since it's not thrown Susanoo can permanently exert pressure on it. All that damage Susanoo did in Chapter 589 was done without the sword actually touching anything. It was a mere shockwave, and I'm sure that you're aware of its range.
In any case, the Ironman scenario is much more likely and feasible. If Nagato circles the Susanoo whilst flying, i'd like to see how quickly the Susanoo can turn and try and destroy him. Pretty sure it will have major difficulties doing so.
You're seemingly overestimating that boost or underestimating Susanoo's size.
It's not making him as fast as Bijuu Modo Naruto. Susanoo is huge, so Nagato won't be instantly circling it like Superman circles the earth. Furthermore Madara has his advanced Sharingan to predict Nagato's movements, which should be enough to catch him. After all Susanoo is very fast and agile, and not in any way clumsy.
And like I said before, that only is if Nagato can react early and most of all fast enough.
Tsunade just said that's Hashirama's technique, Mei then pointed out the obvious to not touch the pollen. That intel wouldn't make a huge difference.
The reason they got caught in the gas was because Madara knocked them down. Which is less likely to happen to Nagato because of his linked vision, he can still use shinra tensei to defend or petra path to stop susanoo.
see how madara knock down the 5 kage all together ?
there are 5 of them and yet no one notice it
that's how he will take down nagato, and madara have rinnegan and he must know about the linked vision.
see how madara knock down the 5 kage all together ?
there are 5 of them and yet no one notice it
that's how he will take down nagato, and madara have rinnegan and he must know about the linked vision.
Lets not turn this into a vs thread because I know edo Madara > Nagato. You said that mokuton technique would be able to knock out Nagato easily which I disagreed on and backed it up.
Lets not turn this into a vs thread because I know edo Madara > Nagato. You said that mokuton technique would be able to knock out Nagato easily which I disagreed on and backed it up.
I already said it in my other post. If Madara tries to hit him with susanoo, he could use shinra tensei to defend himself or petra path to absorb it. The situation isn't the same as the kages.
No, you got that wrong. Naruto merely said that Nagato's techniques are stronger and faster than that of Pain. He didn't refer to the interval, which is after all a part of Shinra Tensei. It is clear that the it's still there, and I doubt that it is notably shortened. Even if it was, the interval for Chou Shinra Tensei is several minutes long, more than enough time for Madara to get back to Nagato.
That a normal Shinra Tensei is not enough is indeed only speculation on my part, that's why I said 'that's rather debatable'. Rasen Shuriken was never cutting mountains. It hasn't even the size of a mountain when it expends. It was cutting big, plant-like tendrils on Myobokuzan, and small rocks after Chibaku Tensei crumbled. Nothing more. Apart from that Susanoo's sword is way bigger, and since it's not thrown Susanoo can permanently exert pressure on it. All that damage Susanoo did in Chapter 589 was done without the sword actually touching anything. It was a mere shockwave, and I'm sure that you're aware of its range.
You're seemingly overestimating that boost or underestimating Susanoo's size.
It's not making him as fast as Bijuu Modo Naruto. Susanoo is huge, so Nagato won't be instantly circling it like Superman circles the earth. Furthermore Madara has his advanced Sharingan to predict Nagato's movements, which should be enough to catch him. After all Susanoo is very fast and agile, and not in any way clumsy.
And like I said before, that only is if Nagato can react early and most of all fast enough.
You are still speculating on the ST time delay part, it was never stated in the manga that nagato need's more time then pain to recharge, actually he was using his power's more faster and simultaneously when fighting against Bee and Naruto.
Naruto was practicing his RS on Solid rock tendrils,and they were thick enough to be called mini mountain's, i used it to give an idea of ST's power, if pain was able to repel that attack with almost 0 powered ST, then it is a reason to stand that Nagato will do the same to Slash.
And if Madara try to hit Nagato with the sword itself,then it will be absorbed in a split second,Nagato sucked up bee's V2 chakra instantly and a sword formed out of chakra will not have that much so it will have no effect on him.
I know that susanoo sword slash is long range jutsu (xd), But Nagato has a double layer protection against it he can use ST while using Asura paths mechanical body to enhance his attack and defense both.
I already said it in my other post. If Madara tries to hit him with susanoo, he could use shinra tensei to defend himself or petra path to absorb it. The situation isn't the same as the kages.
@Bogard, this Shinra Tensei gave him an interval for about 5-10 minutes and this large scale Shinra Tensei won't Stop Susanoo. Even if Nagato repels Susanoos first attack, it can go for a second.
The interval of minute i think it was only for Pain. Remember with CT for example. He needed Deva near him to cast it. That means when he uses his techniques on Pain they are probably limited in the contrary of when he uses them himself.
But even then, Nagato can use all the techniques Pain can use. That's why i think he can have ultimate defense. If you want to hurt Nagato, you must pass through Rinnengan share vision, Shinra tensei, Gakido, Asura, summoning techniques or Gedo Mazo, and he can also attack you with Bansho tenin and human Path
You are still speculating on the ST time delay part, it was never stated in the manga that nagato need's more time then pain to recharge, actually he was using his power's more faster and simultaneously when fighting against Bee and Naruto.
Naruto was practicing his RS on Solid rock tendrils,and they were thick enough to be called mini mountain's, i used it to give an idea of ST's power, if pain was able to repel that attack with almost 0 powered ST, then it is a reason to stand that Nagato will do the same to Slash.
And if Madara try to hit Nagato with the sword itself,then it will be absorbed in a split second,Nagato sucked up bee's V2 chakra instantly and a sword formed out of chakra will not have that much so it will have no effect on him.
I know that susanoo sword slash is long range jutsu (xd), But Nagato has a double layer protection against it he can use ST while using Asura paths mechanical body to enhance his attack and defense both.
As I said, just in theory. That was a side-note that has nothing to do with the actual topic. Of course Nagato's interval is not longer than that of Pain, but the same time it isn't considerably shorter. There's just nothing to base that assumption on, since Naruto was just refering to Nagato's speed and power.
Why did you bring up Rasen Shuriken, again? Tendo made it burst, and now? The sword can't be bursted. If he's just swinging it, Nagato can't absorb it, any way. Even if it gets reflected, the interval and the second sword are still there.
The sword will be absorbed instantly? That's more than just ridiculous. Nagato took a few seconds just to absorb Bee's Bijuu cloak, which has the size of a human. Even one of Susanoo's fingers is by far bigger than a human - now, I guess you can imagine what that means for the sword. Fujutsu: Kyuin is not an undestructable shield that stops any attack the very moment it touches them. In fact, the size of the sword and the power of Susanoo have good chances of breaking through it. After all it only has the size of Nagato.
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As you can see, and as further implied by 'SFX: Getting through', the 'shield' ban be broken through if there's enough power. Considering the imane size that sword has, and Susanoo's incredible power (as I said, a mere shockwave fractured the entire landscape), it's more than just likely that the sword crushes Nagato right through the shield if he tries to absorb it. Like I said, the sword is not thrown, therefore Susanoo can constantly exert pressure on it. Even if it would somehow stop and be absorbed by Nagato, the shockwave would still rain down at him. Not to mention that Susanoo could attack with the second sword while Nagato is busy absorbing the first one; because you can believe me, even if he could absorb the sword unharmed, he couldn't do it without concentrating and using his hands like it was the case with Naruto's tiny Rasengan.
Agree with FloriGlori. Preta-Path can absorb Susanoo but just in theory. Since Susanoo can do actions as well, it will be impossible to absorb it, one slash will destroy him. I can't imagine how he should counter this if Susanoo goes at full, considering Madara has more techniques in his arsenal, too, which he can use by a very strategical way. Unlike the Sharingan, the Rinnagan is based on overrun the opponent with a Ninjutsu spam.
As I said, just in theory. That was a side-note that has nothing to do with the actual topic. Of course Nagato's interval is not longer than that of Pain, but the same time it isn't considerably shorter. There's just nothing to base that assumption on, since Naruto was just refering to Nagato's speed and power.
Why did you bring up Rasen Shuriken, again? Tendo made it burst, and now? The sword can't be bursted. If he's just swinging it, Nagato can't absorb it, any way. Even if it gets reflected, the interval and the second sword are still there.
The sword will be absorbed instantly? That's more than just ridiculous. Nagato took a few seconds just to absorb Bee's Bijuu cloak, which has the size of a human. Even one of Susanoo's fingers is by far bigger than a human - now, I guess you can imagine what that means for the sword. Fujutsu: Kyuin is not an undestructable shield that stops any attack the very moment it touches them. In fact, the size of the sword and the power of Susanoo have good chances of breaking through it. After all it only has the size of Nagato.
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As you can see, and as further implied by 'SFX: Getting through', the 'shield' ban be broken through if there's enough power. Considering the imane size that sword has, and Susanoo's incredible power (as I said, a mere shockwave fractured the entire landscape), it's more than just likely that the sword crushes Nagato right through the shield if he tries to absorb it. Like I said, the sword is not thrown, therefore Susanoo can constantly exert pressure on it. Even if it would somehow stop and be absorbed by Nagato, the shockwave would still rain down at him. Not to mention that Susanoo could attack with the second sword while Nagato is busy absorbing the first one; because you can believe me, even if he could absorb the sword unharmed, he couldn't do it without concentrating and using his hands like it was the case with Naruto's tiny Rasengan.
Incase you are forgetting that the sword and the susanoo itself formes on the user's chakra, and my friend Killer bee V2 is smaller in size but it still remains the fact that it is a taile'd beast, unless you are saying that Madara uchiha has more chakra then eight tails, with that being said, the sword of susanoo no matter how big it is can not be compared to the volume and lvl of chakra eight tails has in its v2 state.
And about Shinra tensei's power take a good look here,
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it took Kurama 6 tails to Anchor all of its tail's on the ground and pour almost all of it's power to get inside ST and this was a Normal high lvl ST from PAIN, so if you are implying that Madara's Susanoo is physically more stronger then the 6 tailed Kurama then there is nothing to say, but it has been said that his slash posses the attacking power like a bijju, Yet i can not find anywhere that how much pounding it can withstand.
So as for now there is no evidence that a normal ST from Nagato will not Tople that susanoo on it's feet (forget the sword slash), who know's maybe Tsunade can break it with her punch if she land's a hit, you can not proove that how much physical power it has (or on the lvl of a bijju on that matter), and gigantic size does not matter for a rinnegan user as you can see that Pain sent 3 gigantic toads flaying with his ST.
