[Discussion] Shouldn't the Sage have been able to talk to Madara when he was near death?

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Who says he didn't? Indra chakra (Madara's) + Ashura Chakra (senju DNA) = Hagoromo's chakra.
Chakra is clearly sentient, as MInato and Kushina spent a few years living in naruto's mind in chakra form. So, some form of Hagoromo spoke with Madz when he got rinnegan.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Haha lmao
How would Hagoromo have know that Black Zetsu modified the "Uchiha Stone Tablet"

All Hagoromo might have know is that "Madara was trying to achieve Kaguya's power" and/or trying to accomplish the Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Hence the Yin and Yang Seal to some him and not necessarily Kaguya

Hagoromo was watching Madara. So he should have saw him read the tablet and realize that something was off.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Madara did not summon the Gedo Mazo until after he had his near death experience.



Hagoromo was watching his sons fight for ages and he was indeed watching Madara knowing why he fought Hashirama.

Well, I guess we'll see. Madara is there so the sage might talk to him and explain why he didn't contact him.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Madara was incapable of summoning Hagoromo's soul like Naruto

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Hagoromo appearing depends on the power of the reincarnate

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[MAN OF SIN]

^Madara was a reincarnate that awaken Hagoromo's chakra. How was he not able to summon his soul? Madara's lower body was able to summon it.

 

[Naruto99Uzumaki]

well, kishi dont gives a shit.

when lord madara wakes up maybe he will talk to hagoromo

 

[Six Paths of Logic]

Hagoromo was watching Madara. So he should have saw him read the tablet and realize that something was off.

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i can only think of three reason why Hagoromo couldn't or didnt talk to Madara.
The first is that he couldn't come out until later on and not when Madara got his rinnegan, as he explained in the image i provided
The second is that maybe Madara or Kaguya were suppressing Hagoromo appearance, or maybe because in order to talk to someone or something, you have to be in your conscious or subconscious (whichever one it is).
And third and maybe least likely, is that Hagoromo did try to,talk to hin but refused to listen.

^Madara was a reincarnate that awaken Hagoromo's chakra. How was he not able to summon his soul? Madara's lower body was able to summon it.

No one summoned Hagoromo, and obviously Madara's lower half didn't either

 

[rollin]

The sage said that before the transmigration was over between hashi and madz that madz created an issue by combining both ashura and Indra

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So maybe if both hashi and madara had a near death experience at the same time hago would have came out
Instead of madz combining both and having a near death experience giving him rinnegan

 

[Trea]

The sage was occasionally checking up on the transmigrants not watching them full time. Naruto came closest to Ashura's ideals and that was why he was able to summon him. Madara and Hashi were not going to be able to make peace so they probably could not summon him. Naruto was able to summon him because he came the closest to Ashura's ideals and had befriended the tailed beasts.

I don't think near death experiences were the only criteria for meeting the sage. I think befriending the tailed beasts so they would not be used for war and the true possibility for peace had to exist. Naruto truly wants there to be peace. Madars did not believe peace was possible without IT and Hashi was going to keep fighting Madara as long as he was a threat.

 

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Madara was old enough to rub the lamp - In order for genie to appear ​

 

[MAN OF SIN]

The sage was occasionally checking up on the transmigrants not watching them full time. Naruto came closest to Ashura's ideals and that was why he was able to summon him. Madara and Hashi were not going to be able to make peace so they probably could not summon him. Naruto was able to summon him because he came the closest to Ashura's ideals and had befriended the tailed beasts.

I don't think near death experiences were the only criteria for meeting the sage. I think befriending the tailed beasts so they would not be used for war and the true possibility for peace had to exist. Naruto truly wants there to be peace. Madars did not believe peace was possible without IT and Hashi was going to keep fighting Madara as long as he was a threat.

Sasuke's ideals are nothing like Asura's and he invited him. Hagoromo also seemed to know a lot about Madara's plan and motive.

 

[Toastykins]

Maybe Madara knew the truth all along and he's just a power-hungry son of a ***** like I thought. He knew the monument thing was bs but it was a convenient way to manipulate people like Obito.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Hagoromo speaks to all Transmigrants, as per Black Zetsu, but judging by Hashirama's reaction when he saw the Sage, we can assume that he didn't talk to the both of them.

Black Zetsu never said that Hagoromo talked to all transmigrant. Rather he clearly said that << depending on the power of the transmigrant, Hagoromo can meet them to give them the technique to seal his mother>>. Here, you need to understand that the transmigrant need to be special, and in our case, when hagoromo met Naruto, he even mentioned that Naruto has a special power that made Ashura choose him as his reincarnate, and that special power summoned his soul (Hagoromo's soul).

So yeah, it was Naruto who summoned hagoromo's soul in the current situation. Everything that happened later happened because hagoromo's soul was already summoned by naruto when he was in the world inside his mind. I even bet Sasuke met hagoromo because Hagoromo was already summoned by Naruto, and we can see that by both Sasuke and Naruto meeting inside Naruto to receive powers.

Consequently, if we don't want to put blame on Kishi and actually read the manga, a lot of things are consistent. The only mystery here is how Naruto summoned Hagoromo's soul?

 

[Trea]

Sasuke was included because Hagoromo realized he made a mistake when he excluded Indra. Hagoromo knew they both have to work together or nothing would happen just like nothing happened with the previous transmigrants. In order to correct the mistakes of the past Sasuke had to be included so that he would have a stake in a peaceful future.There could not be peace if Naruto and Sasuke were still on opposite sides.

 

[Draxus]

No, because Naruto is special, that's why he was able to summon Rikodu. Since Hagoromo was already summoned who could speak to Sasuke too.

 

[Flaming Amaterasu]

Sasuke was included because Hagoromo realized he made a mistake when he excluded Indra. Hagoromo knew they both have to work together or nothing would happen just like nothing happened with the previous transmigrants. In order to correct the mistakes of the past Sasuke had to be included so that he would have a stake in a peaceful future.There could not be peace if Naruto and Sasuke were still on opposite sides.

Incorrect, Naruto and Sasuke both can summon him, so to suggest that Madara is weaker than them is beyond hilarious. Hashirama and Madara would have both summoned him if they experienced near death like Naruto and Sasuke.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Hagoromo speaks to all Transmigrants, as per Black Zetsu, but judging by Hashirama's reaction when he saw the Sage, we can assume that he didn't talk to the both of them.

well, Black Zetsu only seemed to have suggested that speaking to Hagoromo is only possible if the transmigrate in question had the power to.

Why would he need to talk to Madara? Madara was trying to complete the IT,why bother waste energy to talk to someone who's on the wrong side?

a better question would be why would Madara need to talk to someone he already had neg respect for.

 

[the last shinobi]

Yeah he made everything about the Sage up long after he started Naruto,which is why we have seen Black Zetsu who was said to have watch Ashura and Indra's riencarnations - watch multiple Naruto and Sasuke fights throughout the the story.That was a coincidence right? Naruto and Sasuke fought in the Valley of the end like Madara and Hashirama and Kakashi compared Naruto and Sasuke to them - then later on we find out they were all reincarnations of Ashura and Indra who were also rivals amd fought each other yet he just made everything up recently right? Yes everything must have been made up randomly since we didn't see it on the first chapter right?



He might not have had the chance like The Orange Hokage said,and maybe he wasn't watching Madara at the time,so the few seconds he was connected to Madara he didn't have enough time to tell him.

yes you can tell that that this was made up on the fly, because if they were reincarnations they would have traveled the same path, the 1st and madara where nothing like the predecessors nor like naruto and sasuke. The whole point of this was one was born with immense talent and the other had to work for it, this was never the case of hashi and Madara. Hashi was born with immense talent and at no point could you even consider this a rivalry all it was constant beating up of madara. Kishi went so far as to try to make it seem like this reincarnation thing started with the sage and his brother both were needed to seal that rabbit chick(kaguya) which was horrible because he is mentioned once show 2 or 3 times but nothing more is mentioned.

 

[Flaming Amaterasu]

yes you can tell that that this was made up on the fly, because if they were reincarnations they would have traveled the same path, the 1st and madara where nothing like the predecessors nor like naruto and sasuke. The whole point of this was one was born with immense talent and the other had to work for it, this was never the case of hashi and Madara. Hashi was born with immense talent and at no point could you even consider this a rivalry all it was constant beating up of madara. Kishi went so far as to try to make it seem like this reincarnation thing started with the sage and his brother both were needed to seal that rabbit chick(kaguya) which was horrible because he is mentioned once show 2 or 3 times but nothing more is mentioned.

Everything you said here just proves the poster even more correct. And the constant beating of Madara put some humor in your post lmao