Shouldn't the aliens be stronger?

[Reboryushon]

They suffer from Vegeta complex but they are still strong af. Only Naruto and Sasuke were able to defeat them.

 

[Sir Blades]

Because Momoshiki, Fatshiki and Skinnyshiki are chunnin level aliens who are not from the main branch.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Sorry, but your post is just wrong.

1. First of all, of course Kaguya had visible mental issues. She spent thousands of years sealed inside the moon! I doubt that anyone would come out the same after that. Not only that, but her sons were the ones to seal her! She must have been heart broken about this. She even cried about this during her fight with Naruto and Sasuke. Wouldn't you feel betrayed or upset if your kids sealed you into the moon for millennia? Long story short, Kaguya by no means showed herself to be stupid or intellectually inadequate. She just had very unique circumstances that would affect anyone at least to some extent.

The closest thing to stupidity that Kaguya actually showed was getting tricked by Naruto passing his truth seeking balls onto his clone, but this more so just shows that Kaguya isn't the most battle smart. However, battle smarts and general smarts are two very different things (just look at Goku for crying out loud who is an absolute battle genius, but in other intellectual areas is pretty slow). Plus, who is to say that Kaguya was even a fighter to begin with?

In fact, who is to say that any of these Otsutsukis are fighters to begin with? As far as we know right now, these aliens are more so intergalactic farmers than they are fighters. They go from planet to planet expecting it to be a simple task to harvest chakara fruits. They don't expect to encounter powerful opponents (especially not rikudou level ones), and they are probably not experienced enough in combat to be prepared for such opponents. If you ask Momoshiki, the likes of Hagoromo, Hamura, Naruto and Sasuke were never even supposed to exist! Kaguya was just supposed to go get the fruit and bring it back home!

2. As for your "Toneri... didn't watch" statement, that is simply your fault. You should watch something to know about it before degrading it. I hate it when people say "didn't watch" or "didn't read" and then treat that as validation of their point. If anything, your ignorance about the aspect that you didn't watch/read takes away validity from your point since that means that you are less informed about the overall topic than someone who did watch/read.

3. About the "Momoshiki thought it'd be a good idea to attack Naruto and Sasuke before absorbing others" point: That is more so arrogance than intellectual stupidity.

4. @1st Bold: That is a lie! The only Otsutsuki that non-rikudou characters can compete with is Kinshiki (the weakest known Otsutsuki) and even for him it took 4 kages. You speak as if he got easily solo'd.

5. @2nd Bold: You seem to forget that the fruits have levels to them. Kaguya's was a level 16 fruit, and Kinshiki implied that fruits over level 10 are so rare that need to be reported to the clan head. Since Kaguya ate such a powerful fruit, it makes sense that her sons would inherit tremendous power. Also, let's not forget that Naruto and Sasuke didn't stomp them out as you say.

You speak as if these Otsutsukis got absolutely wrecked with no difficulty. However, Kaguya had the chance to kill them so many times! The only reason why she didn't is because at first she was focused on taking their chakara rather than killing them. Then, when she decided to kill them, she actually was about to succeed in this. Naruto and Sasuke would have been dead if Obito (and to a lesser extent Kakashi) didn't save them. All in all, it took 2 rikudou level transmigrants, a sanin level kunoichi, an additional Uchiha with an amazing mangekyou sharingan ability (kamui) and rikudou chakara, and later that Uchiha's friend (who was temporarily given said MS eyes and rikudou chakara) to beat her! Even then, they couldn't kill her. They had to seal her.

Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't have stood a chance against Kaguya by themselves. As for Momoshiki, he actually had Naruto, Sasuke and all the other kages in prime position to kill them! He just wasn't expecting Boruto's vanishing rasengan. Let's also not forget the fact that it took both Naruto and Sasuke (not a 1 vs 1). Individually, Momoshiki already captured Naruto earlier, and during the fight, he critically burned Sasuke (causing Naruto to have to heal him).

So no these guys didn't just get stomped out!

Nah. They definitely got stomped. Kinshiki described the eight tails chakra as measily, and he could probably be handled by Naruto alone before the merging or a few kages. They're off branch, but they've still shown that they've had their shares of fruits yet still came up short despite the fact. Imagine how weak they'd be without the fruits.

 

[chaos control]

Nah. They definitely got stomped. Kinshiki described the eight tails chakra as measily, and he could probably be handled by Naruto alone before the merging or a few kages. They're off branch, but they've still shown that they've had their shares of fruits yet still came up short despite the fact. Imagine how weak they'd be without the fruits.

Of course Kinshiki could be handled by Naruto alone. Naruto is rikudou level (and his power actually comes from the Otsutsuki in the form of Hagoromo's chakara and technically Kaguya's chakara in the form of bijuu chakara). Meanwhile, Kinshiki is the weakest of the known Otsutsuki thus far (excluding eye-less Toneri).

As for being handled by a few kages, notice that you had to say a few kages (and not just one)? You can't really say that you stomp someone when you need it to be 4 on 1 to beat them.

Imagine how weak they'd be within the fruits you say? To that I respond:

Imagine how weak everyone would be without the fruits.
All of the shinobi on Earth only have chakara because Hagoromo spread his chakara around the world. Where did Hagoromo get chakara to spread? He inherited it from Kaguya. Where did Kaguya get it from? The fruit!

It all comes back to the fruit!

Also, just because they've had their shares of fruits doesn't mean anything. I keep reiterating this fact:

Kaguya's fruit was a special level 16! It even granted her several kekkei morra such as the rinne sharingan, ash bone, expansive truth seeking ball, etc...

In the case of people like Kinshiki however, we don't know what levels of fruit that he has eaten (if he's eaten any at all). Even if he has eaten some, presumably not all fruits grant super special KKM. The lower level ones probably only grant chakara and that is it. However, chakara alone doesn't make you strong. You need actual techniques to be strong. If you have all the chakara in the universe, but have no jutsus (or no advanced taijutsu like Guy), then you are still just as fodder as a civilian.

That is why it doesn't matter how much fruit they've eaten. If they don't have the techniques or the KKG/KKM then they're not going to be that strong.

 

[solo king]

dito, u a dito me a minamoto.

There's only one minamoto get a life bro

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Of course Kinshiki could be handled by Naruto alone. Naruto is rikudou level (and his power actually comes from the Otsutsuki in the form of Hagoromo's chakara and technically Kaguya's chakara in the form of bijuu chakara). Meanwhile, Kinshiki is the weakest of the known Otsutsuki thus far (excluding eye-less Toneri).

As for being handled by a few kages, notice that you had to say a few kages (and not just one)? You can't really say that you stomp someone when you need it to be 4 on 1 to beat them.

Imagine how weak they'd be within the fruits you say? To that I respond:

Imagine how weak everyone would be without the fruits.
All of the shinobi on Earth only have chakara because Hagoromo spread his chakara around the world. Where did Hagoromo get chakara to spread? He inherited it from Kaguya. Where did Kaguya get it from? The fruit!

It all comes back to the fruit!

Also, just because they've had their shares of fruits doesn't mean anything. I keep reiterating this fact:

Kaguya's fruit was a special level 16! It even granted her several kekkei morra such as the rinne sharingan, ash bone, expansive truth seeking ball, etc...

In the case of people like Kinshiki however, we don't know what levels of fruit that he has eaten (if he's eaten any at all). Even if he has eaten some, presumably not all fruits grant super special KKM. The lower level ones probably only grant chakara and that is it. However, chakara alone doesn't make you strong. You need actual techniques to be strong. If you have all the chakara in the universe, but have no jutsus (or no advanced taijutsu like Guy), then you are still just as fodder as a civilian.

That is why it doesn't matter how much fruit they've eaten. If they don't have the techniques or the KKG/KKM then they're not going to be that strong.

those kages are like 70 generations removed from the original fruit bearer though. The aliens are pretty lackluster if they couldn't accumulate enough power to solo kages.

There's only one minamoto get a life bro

there's only one solo king too.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Technically kaguya could still have been abnormally strong. Earths chakra fruit could be way more potent than say... a barren planet that has less of a population, or possibly just harbors plant life or something like that. They didn’t really get stomped if it took the 2 strongest people on the planet to beat them and they’re lower level ootsutsuki’s. You gotta remember, nardo and sauce are pretty much maxed out at this point.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Technically kaguya could still have been abnormally strong. Earths chakra fruit could be way more potent than say... a barren planet that has less of a population, or possibly just harbors plant life or something like that. They didn’t really get stomped if it took the 2 strongest people on the planet to beat them and they’re lower level ootsutsuki’s. You gotta remember, nardo and sauce are pretty much maxed out at this point.

Kinshiki and Momoshiki could've been handled by Kages.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Kinshiki and Momoshiki could've been handled by Kages.

The manga says different

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

The manga says different

only about their merger. shark tooth guy had a threat on kinishiki

 

[WarriorlWithin]

They are basically taking power pills every few mins and are still weaker then Naruto and Sasuke and Kishiki also stated that in the past he absorbed someone just like Momoshiki absorbed him

 

[chaos control]

those kages are like 70 generations removed from the original fruit bearer though. The aliens are pretty lackluster if they couldn't accumulate enough power to solo kages.

You keep focusing on the fruit, but you fail to grasp a few things:

1. If they ate lower level fruits that don't grant you special KKG/KKM, then it doesn't matter how much fruit they ate. Chakara alone doesn't make you strong. Chakara in the NV does not work the same way as Ki in Dragon Ball (where more Ki automatically means more power). Therefore, it doesn't matter if the kages were 1 generation removed from Kaguya or 100 generations. It is about abilities, not fruit.

2. You technically can't prove that all of them even ate fruit. We've seen Momoshiki eat fruit, but have we seen Kinshiki eat fruit? No. Kinshiki could have just inherited or learned his chakara weapons ability just like an Earth shinobi would.

3. Raw power or not, you still fail to realize that most of the Otsutsukis that we have seen thus far were not fighters, so even if they gained a lot of power, they still wouldn't know how to fight well. Kaguya was basically an alien farmer that just went rouge and didn't bring the crop back home. Momoshiki is just some pampered kid who has probably never even studied the art of combat. Toneri is an eye-less man living alone on the moon! Do any of these people sound like fighters to you?

Also, no the kages could not handle Momoshiki as shown by the manga.

Edit: And would you stop fixating on Kinshiki?! He's like the weakest one!

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

You keep focusing on the fruit, but you fail to grasp a few things:

1. If they ate lower level fruits that don't grant you special KKG/KKM, then it doesn't matter how much fruit they ate. Chakara alone doesn't make you strong. Chakara in the NV does not work the same way as Ki in Dragon Ball (where more Ki automatically means more power). Therefore, it doesn't matter if the kages were 1 generation removed from Kaguya or 100 generations. It is about abilities, not fruit.

2. You technically can't prove that all of them even ate fruit. We've seen Momoshiki eat fruit, but have we seen Kinshiki eat fruit? No. Kinshiki could have just inherited or learned his chakara weapons ability just like an Earth shinobi would.

3. Raw power or not, you still fail to realize that most of the Otsutsukis that we have seen thus far were not fighters, so even if they gained a lot of power, they still wouldn't know how to fight well. Kaguya was basically an alien farmer that just went rouge and didn't bring the crop back home. Momoshiki is just some pampered kid who has probably never even studied the art of combat. Toneri is an eye-less man living alone on the moon! Do any of these people sound like fighters to you?

Also, no the kages could not handle Momoshiki as shown by the manga.

Edit: And would you stop fixating on Kinshiki?! He's like the weakest one!

cause kinishiki is the average. the other aliens did freaky shit. i'll agree with you on everything but momoshiki being able to beat the kages.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

only about their merger. shark tooth guy had a threat on kinishiki

Lol not really, it took chojuro being bait and almost getting killed, along with kurotsuchi and sasuke just to hold him down. Take out sasuke and naruto and the remaining 4 kage would of got wrecked

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Lol not really, it took chojuro being bait and almost getting killed, along with kurotsuchi and sasuke just to hold him down. Take out sasuke and naruto and the remaining 4 kage would of got wrecked

thats 2 kages vs kinshiki. bring them other boys and rock lee if need be.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

thats 2 kages vs kinshiki. bring them other boys and rock lee if need be.

it’s 2 kages and a dude that far outclasses both put together. Without nardo and sauce they get one shotted

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

it’s 2 kages and a dude that far outclasses both put together. Without nardo and sauce they get one shotted

momoshiki only stronk cus absobed naruto for hours. they'd spank em prior and after.

 

[chaos control]

cause kinishiki is the average. the other aliens did freaky shit. i'll agree with you on everything but momoshiki being able to beat the kages.

Momoshiki would wreck the kages. Most of what the kages can do would be absorbed by Momoshiki, and Momoshiki also has amped up attacks (like that giant bijuudama) that the other kages besides Naruto can't do crap about. Even Momoshiki's amped up version of Shikamaru's shadow was able to restrain everyone there save for Boruto (who simply wasn't standing where the shadow was cast). Plus he has other rinnegan abilities. Just last week, he showed the ability to use the black rods (which is outer path). This may imply that he has the other path abilities.

I think you are underestimating the rinnegan too much. Not to mention that he can turn people into fruits if need be, but the circumstances necessary for this technique are unknown.

In short, Momoshiki >>> kages. In fact, let's not forget that technically it was unfused Momoshiki that also captured Naruto and who was extracting Kurama!


Also, we technically don't know that Kinshiki was the average. Most Otsutsukis that we've seen so far have been unique from even other Otsutsukis. Since all of them have been unique, we don't even really have an average. Think about it:

Kaguya had rinnesharingan, byakugan, ash bone, 80 gods vaccum attack, expansive truth seeking ball, hair attacks, and the ability to turn into the juubi.

Momoshiki had his own rinnegan as well as the byakugan.

Hagoromo had the rinnegan, and his was different from Momoshiki's (and he had mangekyou sharingan in the anime). He also had rikudou senjutsu and became the juubi jinchuuriki.

Hamura had byakugan and tenseigan, as well as rikudou senjutsu

Indra had mangekyou sharingan

Asura had RSM (and wood style in the anime)

Toneri had the tenseigan.

Note that we now also have a new dojutsu that is apparently connected to the Otsutsuki clan, known as the Jogan. Who knows who (besides Boruto) possesses that?

Do you see what I mean? That is way too much variance for us to pick an average Otsutsuki level. Therefore, as things stand now, Kinshiki is not the average. He is simply the weakest.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

momoshiki only stronk cus absobed naruto for hours. they'd spank em prior and after.

They where fighting kinshiki, momo was the one absorbing nardo....

 

[DrProof]

Shitty writing. That's why.