Shouldn't Nagato be able to use all of Madara's eye techniques?

[Midday]

The eyes are the same. Just like Kakashi can use Obito's ms even though he isn't an Uchiha, Nagato should have been able to use susanoo. Madara was using susanoo with rinnengan so having the ems active doesn't look like a requirement.

 

[natzzz]

He cant switch to sharingan i think.

 

[Sephy100]

He can't switch back and forth since they aren't his eyes.

 

[Roby]

The eyes are the same. Just like Kakashi can use Obito's ms even though he isn't an Uchiha, Nagato should have been able to use susanoo. Madara was using susanoo with rinnengan so having the ems active doesn't look like a requirement.

However to have the Susanoo itself needs MS. And since it was Rinnegan that Nagato got naturally he had no evolution of Sharingan and cant use Sharingan techs.

 

[Exaar]

He can't switch back and forth since they aren't his eyes.

He doesn't need to switch, madara has already proven he can use sharingan techs via the rinnegan (susanoo).

 

[enuzuki]

Honestly i never saw Madara use susanoo with rinnegan, but he should be able to if that's the case but ofcourse he would need to know how.

 

[Midday]

However to have the Susanoo itself needs MS. And since it was Rinnegan that Nagato got naturally he had no evolution of Sharingan and cant use Sharingan techs.

Madara was using susanoo with his rinnengan active not ms, so it doesn't look like it's necessary for him to switch to ems to use it. Also wouldn't it retain all of the previous sharringan abilites as it evolves from sharringan, just like how all the basic sharringan abilities are still available after switching to ms.

 

[Roby]

He doesn't need to switch, madara has already proven he can use sharingan techs via the rinnegan (susanoo).

However one has no evolution of Sharingan in any way cant use Sharingan techs. Unlike Kakashi whos Sharingan evolved into MS, Nagato had Rinnegan from the start and could use Rinnegan techs but since he never had Sharingan he cant use those techs.

Madara was using susanoo with his rinnengan active not ms, so it doesn't look like it's necessary for him to switch to ems to use it. Also wouldn't it retain all of the previous sharringan abilites as it evolves from sharringan, just like how all the basic sharringan abilities are still available after switching to ms.

Your not getting the point... Madara unlike Nagato has Sharingan evoltion... 1t 2t 3t MS EMS Rinnegan so naturally he can use all the techs hes eyes unlocked via evolution, Just like Kakashi whos Sharingan went from 2t to MS he was able to use Sharingan techs. Nagato never had that evolution he had just Rinnegan and naturally he can use only techs that come with Rinnegan.

 

[Troyg39]

The best thing I can tell you is that just because you don't use something doesn't mean you can't do it. Susanoo and genjutsu weren't really Nagato's style I guess. Kakashi knows like 1000 jutsus but we've never seen him do anywhere near that amount. Obito has never created a moon with his Rinnegan but I'm sure he could if he wanted to. Heck even the sage was never known to do Susanoo but I'm sure even he had it to.

I think Nagato just felt like his Rinnegan talents were enough and he didn't need those Uchiha moves. Plus using all that probably takes a significant amount of chakra. Even Nagato had his limits (clearly, the guy was hanging by a string during his arc). We saw Madara do all that stuff as an Edo, so who's to say what he could've done if he actually had chakra limits too

 

[Troyg39]

However one has no evolution of Sharingan in any way cant use Sharingan techs. Unlike Kakashi whos Sharingan evolved into MS, Nagato had Rinnegan from the start and could use Rinnegan techs but since he never had Sharingan he cant use those techs.



Your not getting the point... Madara unlike Nagato has Sharingan evoltion... 1t 2t 3t MS EMS Rinnegan so naturally he can use all the techs hes eyes unlocked via evolution, Just like Kakashi whos Sharingan went from 2t to MS he was able to use Sharingan techs. Nagato never had that evolution he had just Rinnegan and naturally he can use only techs that come with Rinnegan.

I don't get your point either. You don't just wake up with sharingan. You gotta unlock that to begin with too so even the sharingan is an evolution, which Kakashi didn't go through that first evolution because Obito unlocked it first, yet he could clearly use the enhanced visual abilities that it granted

 

[Zlad]

Maybe you need to have your own eyes

 

[Khunka]

Nagato should be Uchiha first before Using Amaterasu or Other Uchiha techs. To learn how to Use The other Uchiha techs. Through Rinnegan.

 

[נıм]

He can't switch, as Kakashi can't.
Itachi also can't switch his eyes off to normal eyes, cuz he got some problems and he is sick.

 

[Roby]

I don't get your point either. You don't just wake up with sharingan. You gotta unlock that to begin with too so even the sharingan is an evolution, which Kakashi didn't go through that first evolution because Obito unlocked it first, yet he could clearly use the enhanced visual abilities that it granted

True but we dont know what minor sharingan does to you. So yea partly you are right... But so could Danzo with transpanted sharingan. So perhaps 1-3t perks are usable for everyone and does not matter if you are an uchiha or not. Since all it does is make your vision better nothing else. Unlike MS EMS and Rinnegan.

 

[Exaar]

However one has no evolution of Sharingan in any way cant use Sharingan techs. Unlike Kakashi whos Sharingan evolved into MS, Nagato had Rinnegan from the start and could use Rinnegan techs but since he never had Sharingan he cant use those techs.



Your not getting the point... Madara unlike Nagato has Sharingan evoltion... 1t 2t 3t MS EMS Rinnegan so naturally he can use all the techs hes eyes unlocked via evolution, Just like Kakashi whos Sharingan went from 2t to MS he was able to use Sharingan techs. Nagato never had that evolution he had just Rinnegan and naturally he can use only techs that come with Rinnegan.

It doesn't matter, They're madara's eyes, They still contain all the sharingan techs they had befor, transplanting Eyes wouldn't make those eyes simply lose their former powers just because they're in another form.

Also kakashi started with 2tomoe, Does this mean kakashi cannot use the ability of the first tomoe?.

From my understanding of the basic sharingan, Each tomoe gives the user "Upgrades", I don't know what order but let me say this as an example.

This is simply an example
1st Tomoe: ability to see Chakra.
2nd Tomoe: Ability to cast Genjutsu
3rd Tomoe: Gain clarity of perception

This would mean kakashi is limited to only the 2nd and 3rd tomoe techs.

Also itachi could freely turn shisui's Eyes From 3tomoe to Ms, even though he took it after shisui unlocked Ms.

 

[End of Days]

surprised that you are insisting that nagato get madara's powers

nagato already "shits" on ems madara, so why are you suddenly finding madaras powers so attractive

 

[Troyg39]

It doesn't matter, They're madara's eyes, They still contain all the sharingan techs they had befor, transplanting Eyes wouldn't make those eyes simply lose their former powers just because they're in another form.

Also kakashi started with 2tomoe, Does this mean kakashi cannot use the ability of the first tomoe?.

From my understanding of the basic sharingan, Each tomoe gives the user "Upgrades", I don't know what order but let me say this as an example.

This is simply an example
1st Tomoe: ability to see Chakra.
2nd Tomoe: Ability to cast Genjutsu
3rd Tomoe: Gain clarity of perception

This would mean kakashi is limited to only the 2nd and 3rd tomoe techs.

Also itachi could freely turn shisui's Eyes From 3tomoe to Ms, even though he took it after shisui unlocked Ms.

Can Kakashi actually see chakra?

 

[Midday]

surprised that you are insisting that nagato get madara's powers

nagato already "shits" on ems madara, so why are you suddenly finding madaras powers so attractive

I'm not insisting Nagato gets Madara's powers, I don't usually include something in my arguments unless it's a manga feat. I'm asking is there a reason for Nagato to not use them. As we've seen the eyes are Madara's, we've seen that the techniques can be used with rinnengan active. I thought it was odd that it's not been explained.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Probably its all plot technically he should be able to seeing as he has uchiha and senju dna in him

 

[MorphyRulez]

He can't switch, as Kakashi can't.
Itachi also can't switch his eyes off to normal eyes, cuz he got some problems and he is sick.

Here we go, Itachi with Normal Eyes;

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

True Uchiha could do anything with his eyes. He is just keep his sharingan On always, because he's da boss. But about topic, If you'll have someone's Sharingan you are just able you it with his minimun level like Kakashi is lucky for it he got Obito's eye since 2-tomoe. If he's got his eyes when he's got MS, His chakra reserve fcked cuz he can't switch it to 3 tomoe sharingan from MS, i believe it's why nagato can't switch into EMS/MS or sharingan. + Even he can able to use Sharingan abilities how he could know that, He's just have Rinnegan and no-one (Tobi/Zetsu) don't say you can able to use Susano'o either man, Cuz it's not your eyes. It won't suit with their plan, Nagato must see himself as a savior of world, who awakened Rinnegan naturally after So6P. It's an another reason why he couldn't use that.