Should Plot Be An Excuse?

[Senju Bean]

Sometimes people say that certain things didn't happen because of "plot". I think that is just an excuse. Kishi could have easily avoided the "plot" copouts with careful writing.

One clear example was Kabuto not using any Edo's as bodyguards. Clearly, having a bunch of Edos in the fight against Sasuke and Itachi would make reading the manga less enjoyable, so I can see why Kishi decided to not include them. But why be lazy about it? Why not just create a panel detailing a case where Kabuto cannot use Edos nearby him due to a drawback from controlling too many Edos? Something, anything.

Onoki survived two giant meteors smashing into his head. A simple way out of this plot hole would be to have Gaara pull him away with his sand at the last second so that Onoki would only suffer the shockwaves, which are still devastating.

Those are just examples and not the main point of this discussion.

I just want to know what you guys think.

Is "plot" necessary? Is it even excusable? Does resorting to Plot-no-Jutsu make the manga a better read than alternate ways of resolution?

 

[Luv2smash19]

Well Kabuto thought he was god status with his sage mode and the first meteor blocked out the view of the second one

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

No.. Kishimoto is telling a story.You cant get mad at the story teller because it does not go the way you want it to go and blame his plot.

 

[Lrrrrr]

Plot saving someone is okay, just as long as it isn't something extreme and ridiculous.

 

[Draphsin]

Plot exists, if it didnt then what stopped obito from warping away all the jinchuuriki by himself, thus removing the need for akatsuki?

 

[Senju Bean]

No.. Kishimoto is telling a story.You cant get mad at the story teller because it does not go the way you want it to go and blame his plot.

In modern cinema, critics constant grill movies, fictional or not, for logical inconsistancies. Same with many novels. Why shouldn't manga be subject to similar standards?

 

[Uchiha Legacy]

Plot exists, if it didnt then what stopped obito from warping away all the jinchuuriki by himself, thus removing the need for akatsuki?

He didn't want to be solo'd by Itachi whom was indirectly protecting the Kyuubi.

 

[Senju Bean]

Plot exists, if it didnt then what stopped obito from warping away all the jinchuuriki by himself, thus removing the need for akatsuki?

How about not giving Obito such a power in the first place?

Even with those powers, there can be a way out of that plot hole. Look at Shisui, his OP power was limited by Kishi with the 10 year restriction. Obito doesn't have to have the same restriction, but at least something to prevent that scenario you mentioned.

 

[Renpatsu Dei]

No, it shouldn't be an excuse, sometimes plot points can be slightly illogical but you can't use them as an excuse for the way things turn out because that's the story. Criticizing it, which I think is fair, is different from using it as an excuse because you can't accept certain plot elements. Sometimes, you just write yourself into a corner.

 

[-ahhimane-]

I would have liked to see Kabuto resurrecting Fugaku and Mikoto (complete puppets) against Sasuke and Edo Itachi. That emotional battle could have been a lot interesting. Sasuke would think twice before attacking his own parents unlike Itachi. That PLOT would be an amazing impact on sasuke's mind. Itachi would say, Sasuke, handle those two, I'll deal with Kabuto. Sasuke would say, "Those two?"
Also I wonder, why Orochimaru/Kabuto couldn't resurrect Uzumaki Mito or Kushina or some powerful Uzumaki dead members. Same reason PLOT
Even Konan, Hoshigaki Kisame, the so called Sarutobi Sasuke, some Namikaze clan members. Some history could have uncovered with that.

 

[Draphsin]

He didn't want to be solo'd by Itachi whom was indirectly protecting the Kyuubi.

There was a period of time where Itachi was a child, remember the kyuubi incident? Obito failed yes but what stopped him from returning a year later? Hiruzen as an old hokage? Teen kakashi & gai? they wouldnt even know what happened, before it happens.

How about not giving Obito such a power in the first place?

Even with those powers, there can be a way out of that plot hole. Look at Shisui, his OP power was limited by Kishi with the 10 year restriction. Obito doesn't have to have the same restriction, but at least something to prevent that scenario you mentioned.

I beg your pardon? What was obito's restriction?

Obito had no restriction, that's the point. If he did then i guess you could remove it from being "plot" but the fact that he could've casually walked into every major village & snatched the junchuuriki right from under their noses proves that plot played a part in his plan.

 

[Senju Bean]

I beg your pardon? What was obito's restriction?

Obito had no restriction, that's the point. If he did then i guess you could remove it from being "plot" but the fact that he could've casually walked into every major village & snatched the junchuuriki right from under their noses proves that plot played a part in his plan.

What are you talking about? I'm not saying Obito had a restriction. I'm saying he should have had a restriction. There's a difference.

 

[awesomeseimei]

Anything that breaks suspension of disbelief is "plot". I. e. something too improbable even for the universe it's taking place in.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Does it even exist?

 

[Nous]

Depends on its realism. If it's ridiculous, then it could be used as such - if not, then I don't really think so.

 

[Draxus]

It's manga, not a novel. Kishi doesn't have the space for explanations of every little thing. Every conflict outcome is determined by plot, it's bad writing just to put in arbitrary ones. It's best to let the reader do it in this format.

Plot no Jutst is only used when the outcome isn't how you imagined it should have gone.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Kishimoto is not lightheaded. Believe me, there is always a reasoning before each of his actions. There is no plot at the manga.