Should jobs go to "natives" first?

[Chikombo]

Like if you live in America, should migrants back away from jobs that could go to Americans first?

OR WHATEVER THE COUNTRY IS
I'm asking this cus I don't really agree tbh, it's not just that I want "foreigners" to be able to get awards in Oscars or whatever, a lot of politicians are talking about how migrants in this country have become part of another class, they are not integrated into society, and people say the solution to this is that they need to start getting jobs. Quick, simple, easy jobs etc.

I think that sounds good, but then you hear about people who has the idea that if you come from some other place you should back off jobs in order for other more deserving people to get them instead and I don't understand this, what are the people with migrationbackground supposed to do if they can't get any jobs?

Isn't it easier to get jobs or go to some education if you are already estabilished into society and you don't have segregation in form of migration or other things.

I'm not saying any opinion is wrong, if you disagree with me, that jobs should primarily go to people who are already part of the country, then please tell me why so I can understand you better.

 

[Onii Chan]

I think the job should go to the best qualified/skilled individual based on work requirements, period.

 

[Chikombo]

I think the job should go to the best qualified/skilled individual based on work requirements, period.

That sounds reasonable, the employer should be able to hire anyone that they see fit, at the place I work at now there was someone from Korea and I don't know if she barely spoke my language but she was a really good worker, much better than me, she deserved to be there more than me.

 

[UCHIHAKUNOICHI]

Mexico should valorize more its own country, strike with pride, and don't let any more precious and potential future genius go to USA work as Mc Donald attendants.

#Mexico should have more pride in itself

 

[BlazeRelease]

The employer should be the one who decided who is hired, and hopefully they'd have the common sense to pick whoever the best choice is based on work ethic, skill, education, or whatever else is relevant to the position.

Although, laws should be (And are) in place to prevent discrimination; that is to say, nobody who is qualified should be denied a job because they are X religion, are black or asian, are mexican or gay, or whatever else.

Right wing radicals throw ideas around like "Immigrants are taking all the jobs" in order to try and legally justify their discrimination towards them. Immigrants getting jobs is a nonissue, because at the moment, there are enough jobs to go around. Unemployment is a thing. And 99% of the time, immigrants are coming over and getting low level jobs that can't support a family anyways, like mcdonalds or whatever, and those jobs are nothing to cry about. If anything, Americans should be happy SOMEONE is willing to work for those pathetic wages. But thats a whole other argument Lol.

 

[Chikombo]

The employer should be the one who decided who is hired, and hopefully they'd have the common sense to pick whoever the best choice is based on work ethic, skill, education, or whatever else is relevant to the position.

Although, laws should be (And are) in place to prevent discrimination; that is to say, nobody who is qualified should be denied a job because they are X religion, are black or asian, are mexican or gay, or whatever else.

Right wing radicals throw ideas around like "Immigrants are taking all the jobs" in order to try and legally justify their discrimination towards them. Immigrants getting jobs is a nonissue, because at the moment, there are enough jobs to go around. Unemployment is a thing. And 99% of the time, immigrants are coming over and getting low level jobs that can't support a family anyways, like mcdonalds or whatever, and those jobs are nothing to cry about. If anything, Americans should be happy SOMEONE is willing to work for those pathetic wages. But thats a whole other argument Lol.

Exactly, whatever the country is, low level jobs are still jobs for people, but it should't be such a big thing to cry about.

 

[Melanin]

No but they are deserving reparations that will increase their chances in the job sector. Which some take advantage of...

 

[Fountain]

Mexico should valorize more its own country, strike with pride, and don't let any more precious and potential future genius go to USA work as Mc Donald attendants.

#Mexico should have more pride in itself

I agree. They insult the USA and Americans so much but they cross the borders to get away from debts, crimes etc. and to get easy jobs and stuff. Instead of staying in the country wich they come here to brag about so much. If Mexico was so much better why don't they stay there and support their own country. That's what i would do.

 

[Chikombo]

No but they are deserving reparations that will increase their chances in the job sector will be good.

I mean I guess in some way you need to take care of the people inside a country first, cus you can't take care of the entire world.

 

[Melanin]

I mean I guess in some way you need to take care of the people inside a country first, cus you can't take care of the entire world.

That’s a double edged sword but your right, citizens of this country should prioritized first.

 

[Aim64C]

The economy is simply the exchange of goods and services among people. You do work and help out being productive - people give you stuff. Generally - there are a few people who will be assholes about it, but most of us are at least civilized enough to recognize that you put work into something that is needed, and should be compensated for it.

In this sense - where there are people, there should always be jobs. Even if robots take away all the menial tasks, there will always be something that humans want from each other - and the time/effort put into doing that will become a part of the exchange principle behind the economy. There are constraints on this process.... obviously, if a thousand people flood into a town of only five thousand people, for whatever reason, then it will take time to expand the economy reliant on physical resources - but even so, within a few years, there is no real reason why the economy shouldn't balance out to have plenty of opportunities for the flood of recent inhabitants.

The question, then, is why our economy and many others around the world have been so constrained. What has changed to make it such that people are unable to simply begin doing the things others have need or want to exchange for?

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

I agree. They insult the USA and Americans so much but they cross the borders to get away from debts, crimes etc. and to get easy jobs and stuff. Instead of staying in the country wich they come here to brag about so much. If Mexico was so much better why don't they stay there and support their own country. That's what i would do.

Lmao we have this issue in Europe too. Turkish immigrants despise Europe and everything it stands for and praise the living shit out of Turkey and their president but for some reason they are still living in Europe. Hypocrites

 

[Chikombo]

Lmao we have this issue in Europe too. Turkish immigrants despise Europe and everything it stands for and praise the living shit out of Turkey and their president but for some reason they are still living in Europe. Hypocrites

Are you Lyke? nvm, no you are not. hehe

 

[Solidus Solidus Solidus]

Are you Lyke?

Maybe

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Nah. The job should go to whoever's the most qualified. Favoring born-Americans over migrants has no deeper purpose beyond.. favoring born-Americans over migrants. Taxes are collected all the same, and immigrants themselves are Americans, so this just becomes discrimination rather than acting in the best interest of Americans at some point. Not to deny plain migrants either.

 

[Onii Chan]

The employer should be the one who decided who is hired, and hopefully they'd have the common sense to pick whoever the best choice is based on work ethic, skill, education, or whatever else is relevant to the position.

Although, laws should be (And are) in place to prevent discrimination; that is to say, nobody who is qualified should be denied a job because they are X religion, are black or asian, are mexican or gay, or whatever else.

Right wing radicals throw ideas around like "Immigrants are taking all the jobs" in order to try and legally justify their discrimination towards them. Immigrants getting jobs is a nonissue, because at the moment, there are enough jobs to go around. Unemployment is a thing. And 99% of the time, immigrants are coming over and getting low level jobs that can't support a family anyways, like mcdonalds or whatever, and those jobs are nothing to cry about. If anything, Americans should be happy SOMEONE is willing to work for those pathetic wages. But thats a whole other argument Lol.

That may be true that a lot of jobs are being made and therefore freedom of hirement is on the all time high, however it doesn't negate the fact that illegal immigrants ARE taking jobs such as construction, etc. And getting paid low wages under the legal requirement of minimum age due illegal immigration, this in fact is on purpose and planned by the founders/ or leaders of the companies because they want to keep more money for themselves. Why pay a man 7 dollars a hour when you can pay someone 3 a hour and they do the same job and work longer hours thus upping the production speeds of your company because you aren't legally obligated to grant them a mandatory break?

 

[Loki d]

No jobs should go to the most qualified. A problem or issue strikes when the government starts putting migrants before the citizens. In other words giving more support to migrants than their own citizens.

Everyone has issues that can't be helped.

 

[Aim64C]

That may be true that a lot of jobs are being made and therefore freedom of hirement is on the all time high, however it doesn't negate the fact that illegal immigrants ARE taking jobs such as construction, etc. And getting paid low wages under the legal requirement of minimum age due illegal immigration, this in fact is on purpose and planned by the founders/ or leaders of the companies because they want to keep more money for themselves. Why pay a man 7 dollars a hour when you can pay someone 3 a hour and they do the same job and work longer hours thus upping the production speeds of your company because you aren't legally obligated to grant them a mandatory break?

The construct of minimum wage was erected as a means to try and protect established workers and businesses from immigrants. It was, effectively, supposed to make it so that if a business wanted to hire for a position, then they had the option of paying minimum wage or higher for a person from an established family... or an immigrant with little history and still looking to integrate. In other words... it was specifically designed to make it far harder for immigrants to find employment by artificially controlling the price of labor.

Worse, this opened up immigrants who came through less-than-legal means to be exploited. Not only is it potentially profitable for a company to import people illegally and use them for cheap labor, all you have to do is threaten to kick their ass out of the car in front of immigration and customs enforcement, and they'll straighten up. They are unlikely to contact the authorities in the event crimes are committed against them. They will have difficulty moving as they will have trouble getting a bank account without documentation, and will not be able to successfully apply for rent with reputable establishments (much less a house loan). Many of these groups become targets for loan sharks and slum lords who charge premium dollar for substandard return.

 

[Fountain]

Right wing radicals throw ideas around like "Immigrants are taking all the jobs" in order to try and legally justify their discrimination towards them. Immigrants getting jobs is a nonissue, because at the moment, there are enough jobs to go around. Unemployment is a thing.

Ironically, it always comes down to discrimination with the radical leftists, no matter the topic or issue at hand. Those gosh darn racist conservative neo Nazis from the right wing be always complaining about the poor illegal immigrants. Woops, i'm sorry, i meant to say "immigrants". It's the immigrants obviously, not the illegal ones, all of them, both illegal and legal ones from mexico and any other country. They just racist and hate all immigrants, that's it, that's the problem, the right wing radicals, we need da stop them and open our borders to let all the hard working people in, because :sdo:

Nevermind how the majority of fascists and racists are actually on the left. Controlling most of the media and colleges, freely discriminating and dictating what other people should or should not say, justifying everything from censorship to harassing and banning people based on their ethnicity with excuses such as racism, inequality, hate speech, and privilege among others. I wouldn't be surprised if the day ever comes when someone gets away with murder by simply claiming that the victim was racist.

Unenployement is a thing. So we should bring in people as slaves from somewhere else to do our work? Funny that you mention unemployment is a thing, like saying "hey if there's unemployment maybe they should take those jobs". Nobody cares if you're not from the USA, if you're a citizen and you have your GED or you're qualified to work that's ok. But i'm pretty sure you're referring to illegal immigrants when you say immigrants so.

Btw, this is unrelated, but out of curiosity where are you from?

And 99% of the time, immigrants are coming over and getting low level jobs that can't support a family anyways, like mcdonalds or whatever, and those jobs are nothing to cry about.

99% of the time, wow. You sure know your numbers. And 99% can't even support a family anyway. You must've done some pretty good research.

If anything, Americans should be happy SOMEONE is willing to work for those pathetic wages. But thats a whole other argument Lol.

Why should i be happy? Why should i even care?

 

[Yeah right]

Look at fountain. “Where are you from?”

Leave it to a (intentionally left empty) to attack from a personal standpoint.