[Discussion] Shogun of Wano or the Calamity King
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Rikudou Tobi
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good question and i think it's a calamity because of kinemon or momo would end up putting down the shogun
I'm not sure about the Shogun of Wano yet.. I feel like he shouldn't be that much stronger than characters on the same tier as King Riku, Elizabello, etc.. but idk yet.
With that being said, let me ask you this, what makes you so sure that Jack isn't the strongest Calamity?
With that being said, let me ask you this, what makes you so sure that Jack isn't the strongest Calamity?
The Shogun is obviously going to be much stronger than those fodders since he is the leader of a nation that even the Marines are afraid of.
Jack is obviously not the strongest Calamity for several reasons. The other two are named King and Queen, and the King and Queen cards are more valuable than the Jack card in most card games. Jack's bounty is also too low to be Kaido's FM since there's no way that Kaido's FM would have a bounty lower than BM's FM.
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The Shogun with his 9-style Tenryu will own anyone except for Roronoa with his Asura Zaibatsu 11-style forbidden technique.
And thus, Roronoa will, at last, kill his father the Shogun and rescue his beloved little cuddly sister from the clutches of the tentacle monsta.
And thus, Roronoa will, at last, kill his father the Shogun and rescue his beloved little cuddly sister from the clutches of the tentacle monsta.
Obviously?
I don't see anything that makes it obvious..
Spandam was the leader of CP9.. look at that picture for a moment..
Look at Buggy and his crew..
Etc. Etc.
This makes sense to me also.. but we just don't have any proof that makes it factual yet.
Characters within the One Piece world have said that Zoro is Luffy's First Mate and Zoro actually is in fact the strongest member of the crew (next to the Captain of course).. So when other characters are speaking highly of Jack and say that he's Kaido's right hand man, it may just turn out to be true as well. You never know..
I'm just talking about possibilities right now since nothing has been given to us black and white yet when it comes to these matters.. but either way, I can't wait to find out how strong the other Calamities are.. I'm hyped af for the Wano arc!
99% of the time in One Piece the leader is the strongest, and Spandam and Buggy (who is just a gag character) are the only exceptions.
Jack was never stated to be the right hand man, that was a mistranslation.
YellowFang
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Just to make a little correction...
Only Shanks has a First Mate, all others have commanders.
And in my opinion, FM is closer to his/her Captain's level than a commander.
Only Shanks has a First Mate, all others have commanders.
And in my opinion, FM is closer to his/her Captain's level than a commander.
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People throw around the word "first mate" so casually ever since "Zoro is first mate" gained traction that they don't realize it's more than second strongest member of the crew, it's an official role with actual duties outside of combat. As soon as a pirate captain is introduced and we see someone in their crew who might be second strongest, first thing people will clamor is "First mate!"
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I tbh don't know. BUT whoever these people will be , rest assured i expect Oda to portray them as epic and OP characters! 
Please don't raizou troll us oda-san!
Please don't raizou troll us oda-san!
Dęvîa Puęrî
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Was it ever confirmed that kaido crew is structured like that if so can I please see a scan
chopstickchakra
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It hasn't been confirmed but everything points that way, executive called Jack, partnered with a guy calling himself Joker, lower crew mates with names like Gin Rummy, Scotch and Sheepshead(all card games, Scotch being Scotch Whist or catch the ten).
Uzumaki Macho
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It's basically confirmed that the other two Calamities are named King and Queen. In a photo of Oda's office, you can see a piece of paper with the names Kaido, King, Queen, and Jack written from top to bottom.
Dęvîa Puęrî
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Oh that's awesome I always wondered why people automatically had the king queen jack thing in their head all the time I had no idea that this existed thanks bro
The calamities are stronger then the shogun I don't think it's close. Note that Lord Odin's final order Kinnemon and the others was to defeat the shogun and open the gates to wano meaning he believed that they could defeat the shogun. He didn't order them to defeat kaido because they have no chance against that monster.
Your percentage scaling is too far off..
Most of the countries or islands in One Piece have their rightful leader (Ruler, King, Shogun, etc.)... who ends up having people below them who are much more capable in battles or fighting.
[We're not talking about Pirate crews here.]
This is not the case 100% of the time, of course.. but you acting like the Shogun is the strongest fighter on Wano has 0% proof for backing.. us readers have no reason to think that..
In fact, to quote this member below, we actually have more reason to believe the Shogun is not that strong at all.
OT: I'm expecting the Calamity "King" to be stronger.
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We actually do have reason to believe the Shogun would be the strongest fighter. Wano is noted for being a country of warriors, and Oda chose to name the leader with the title of "Shogun." That choice is important, as in Japan's history, the emperor and nominal heads of feudal Japan were weak and figureheads, while the Shogun were the commanders of the military with their positions making them the true rulers.
Given that Wano is a kingdom of warriors, and the Shogun is the commander in chief of its military, it's reasonable to assume he'd be the strongest.
Oh nice.. I didn't actually know what the exact definition of a Shogun was.. thank you.
After you put it like that, I could see it being way more possible that the Shogun is the strongest fighter in Wano after all...
It's still not enough to be spoken as "fact" though, which is all I was saying to the OP.
I can see this being the case also.
I'm hyped to see them in action!!
nikhil11101996
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Shogun is powerful enough as he and kaidou formed alliance (assuming shogun is not an underling). Since its wano , zoro needs some powerful opponent just like him.. which is none other than shogun.
But what's more exciting is the Identity of the shogun!!(Could be one of the gorosei since wano country is out of the hands of the marines or could be mentor of the mihawk)
But what's more exciting is the Identity of the shogun!!(Could be one of the gorosei since wano country is out of the hands of the marines or could be mentor of the mihawk)