Shogi Reference

[Sharingdork]

Sorry I didn't get this out there when the chapter was new, but I was wondering something about one of the recent chapters. I want to know who didn't/doesn't get the Shogi references. In the one where Kakuzu and Shikamaru were talking, Shika called Kakuzu a 'bishop'. Who thought they were talking about chess? You'd be wrong. Before (or after), they were talking about 'gold' and 'silver'. Did you think they were simply talking about the Gin Kin brothers? Nope. I know it's not a very common game in North America, and really anywhere that isn't Japan, but I'd like to know if anyone didn't get the Shogi references. It's really bugging me. I mean, I play Shogi (online because you can't buy a freaking Shogi board anywhere in North America!!!), so I get it when Shika's calling Kakuzu merely a bishop, and when Shika refered to the Gin Kin as 'gold' and 'silver', Kakuzu said that they had the Alliances 'gold' and 'silver'. The 'gold' is Asuma, but who's the silver!?!? I'd like to know. Also, if anyone would like to give me Shogi advice, that'd be appreciated.

 

[-The Agent-]

Didn't know they were referring to shogi because its not common over here so I have no idea what the pieces are. But I think he was referring to Dan as the "Silver" of Konoha.

 

[Migualon J.J.]

well, i am personally not quite sure if gold is asuma, i think it´s dan. but silver might be dan and not asuma, who knows. i knew that he was talking about shogi(shikamaru) cause they are almost the same

 

[Sharingdork]

yeah, the whole 'not common in NA' really separates us from the true meaning, but in short, Shogi is simmilar to chess, execpt instead of a queen they have 'gold' and 'silver'. and you may be right; guess we'll have to see what Dan can do

@migualon, Dan or Asuma could be gold, and the other silver; and if Asuma is gold, then it's because kakuzu was talking simply to Team 10, because Asuma was such a big part of their life, that would be their 'gold' against them

 

[marmariove]

?

 

[shadedcrow]

couldn't shikamaru be talking about kin/gin their names are gold and silver respectively? Like kinkaku is the golden temple and ginkaku is a old fudal lords castle turned into a temple. If you look up a lot of what a persons name is it will tell you something about the charater. Kakazu, literaly means bishop if I recall right. And when you look back in the chapters "immortal arc" you can see Shikamaru and Ausuma playing Shogi and the Kakazu/bishop piece is on the board. Ect.

Itchi is weaseal, he lies a lot and even his pony tail looks like a weaseal tail.


Can you buy a shogi board from ebay?

 

[Sharingdork]

shikamaru may have been talking about gin/kin as gold/silver, but Kakuzu wasn't. he was talking about the equivalent of gold/silver on a Shogi board. and as the gin/kin had those great weapons and fox powers, they could've been the resurecteds gold and silver pieces

 

[shadedcrow]

shikamaru may have been talking about gin/kin as gold/silver, but Kakuzu wasn't. he was talking about the equivalent of gold/silver on a Shogi board. and as the gin/kin had those great weapons and fox powers, they could've been the resurecteds gold and silver pieces

That would make sense too. You can draw all sorts of paralells to a game of Shogi to people in this series. Ausama made his referances to the knight I beleive it was, when he made his sacrafice, what was the move called "the rising silver"? Even the war can be looked at like a game of shogi. Kabuto calls his summons pawns, brough back the knight(auauma) the Bishop, kin and gin can be rooks, or vice versa how ever it would fit, and the leaf ninja are trying to protect their "king" future ninjas and people of the leaf.As well as the gold and silver sides, ect. If madara was from the leaf and Kabuto was too, wouldnt that be a aliance with the side that they were fighting with? Even if they dont honor it anymore?




Found you a shogi board/sets on ebay btw. Your a sharp fellow I'm sure you can figure out the rest.

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[Sharingdork]

the only problem with that is there's only one rook on a shogi board (unless you count your opponents, or you steal theirs), but yeah, that's a good way to look at it. but it would be confusing for people who don't know what shogi is, and that's why I made this thread, to see who didn't know what shogi was

 

[Pakura]

When Shikamaru is in involved, you have to expect shogi references. Kishi is a big fan of the game.

The whole Team 10 vs Hidan and Kakuzu arc was on big shogi reference. Even the way Shikamaru fought Hidan and Kakuzu was like a shogi match. Shikamaru is The Chess Master.

Kakuzu = Bishop (The first kaji of his name stands for Bishop)
Hidan = Rook (The first kaji of his name stands for Rook)
Asuma = Silver General (Asuma's favorite strategy was to sacrifice the Silver General to create an opening. This tactic is called "Climbing Silver" It mirrors the way he died)
Shikamaru = Knight (The most unique piece in shogi. Can jump over pieces. Mirrors the way Shika uses brains and not brawn to defeat opponents. Also fits in with his heroic image as the Knight)
The next generation = The King (initially thought to be the Kage)

So based on that
Asuma = Alliance's Silver General
Dan = Alliance's Gold General
Kinkaku = Akatsuki Gold General
Ginkaku = Akatsuki Silver General

Shika tells Kakuzu that they have captured the Gold(Kinkaku) and Silver(Ginkaku) Generals of the enemy. Kakuzu laments that the Rook(Hidan) is also captured. But then he tells Shika they have captured pieces of their own. A Silver(Asuma) and Gold(Dan) General. Apparently Hiashi Hyuuga is not worthy of a shogi piece.

 

[Sharingdork]

When Shikamaru is in involved, you have to expect shogi references. Kishi is a big fan of the game.

The whole Team 10 vs Hidan and Kakuzu arc was on big shogi reference. Even the way Shikamaru fought Hidan and Kakuzu was like a shogi match. Shikamaru is The Chess Master.

Kakuzu = Bishop (The first kaji of his name stands for Bishop)
Hidan = Rook (The first kaji of his name stands for Rook)
Asuma = Silver General (Asuma's favorite strategy was to sacrifice the Silver General to create an opening. This tactic is called "Climbing Silver" It mirrors the way he died)
Shikamaru = Knight (The most unique piece in shogi. Can jump over pieces. Mirrors the way Shika uses brains and not brawn to defeat opponents. Also fits in with his heroic image as the Knight)
The next generation = The King (initially thought to be the Kage)

So based on that
Asuma = Alliance's Silver General
Dan = Alliance's Gold General
Kinkaku = Akatsuki Gold General
Ginkaku = Akatsuki Silver General

Shika tells Kakuzu that they have captured the Gold(Kinkaku) and Silver(Ginkaku) Generals of the enemy. Kakuzu laments that the Rook(Hidan) is also captured. But then he tells Shika they have captured pieces of their own. A Silver(Asuma) and Gold(Dan) General. Apparently Hiashi Hyuuga is not worthy of a shogi piece.

hear that, peoples who don't get shogi references? ask her if you need a shogi reference cleared up!

 

[shadedcrow]

When Shikamaru is in involved, you have to expect shogi references. Kishi is a big fan of the game.

The whole Team 10 vs Hidan and Kakuzu arc was on big shogi reference. Even the way Shikamaru fought Hidan and Kakuzu was like a shogi match. Shikamaru is The Chess Master.

Kakuzu = Bishop (The first kaji of his name stands for Bishop)
Hidan = Rook (The first kaji of his name stands for Rook)
Asuma = Silver General (Asuma's favorite strategy was to sacrifice the Silver General to create an opening. This tactic is called "Climbing Silver" It mirrors the way he died)
Shikamaru = Knight (The most unique piece in shogi. Can jump over pieces. Mirrors the way Shika uses brains and not brawn to defeat opponents. Also fits in with his heroic image as the Knight)
The next generation = The King (initially thought to be the Kage)

So based on that
Asuma = Alliance's Silver General
Dan = Alliance's Gold General
Kinkaku = Akatsuki Gold General
Ginkaku = Akatsuki Silver General

Shika tells Kakuzu that they have captured the Gold(Kinkaku) and Silver(Ginkaku) Generals of the enemy. Kakuzu laments that the Rook(Hidan) is also captured. But then he tells Shika they have captured pieces of their own. A Silver(Asuma) and Gold(Dan) General. Apparently Hiashi Hyuuga is not worthy of a shogi piece.

Thanks,
I'm going to sleep better tonight lol now that I have this reinforced in my mind.. lol

What about Kabutos referances to all his pawns? 7 swordsmen of the blood mist? And what the could old lady chio be?