Shizune, Anko and Asuma vs Hiruzen

[Bantos]

Hiruzen was on par with orochimaru in cqc and also dodged the huge explosion of tobirama, all three are close mid range fighters
Or show thespeedfeats to prove that hiruzen can't keep up
hiruzen has enough stamina to do everything I mentioned, he did it in canon, he makes clones to deal with one of them individually and doesn't get overwhelmed

Loltrying to pit fodders against hokage

Umm, Orochimaru is not known for his taijutsu skills. He relies most on ninjutsu so Hiruzen keeping up with Orochimaru isn't really something to be proud of. The clones will die so fast.
And at least databook states they're faster. And besides, what speed feats has Hiruzen actually shown? Huh?

He has stamina to do those things, and after them he'd be almost out of chakra. The fodder katon won't kill anyone. And since Shizune is a medical ninja any damage can be dealt with.

Hiruzen loses this. Enma isn't really a factor since snakes have bound him before pretty easily.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

What. : D Asuma has better feats than Hiruzen IMO.

Hiruzen's Katons>Asuma's fuutons and also what is Asuma's counter to this [

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[Bantos]

Hiruzen's Katons>Asuma's fuutons and also what is Asuma's counter to this [

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This is his counter. Or then just taking the attack. Or then Anko blocking with snakes or the big summoned snake.
There are many options, he is not taking these three with shuriken. And again, Shizune is present so some damage can be taken.
If Hiruzen were to use his b-rank katon and could somehow kill one of team jonin he'd be almost out of chakra already. And he'd still have two opponents left.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

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This is his counter. Or then just taking the attack. Or then Anko blocking with snakes or the big summoned snake.
There are many options, he is not taking these three with shuriken. And again, Shizune is present so some damage can be taken.
If Hiruzen were to use his b-rank katon and could somehow kill one of team jonin he'd be almost out of chakra already. And he'd still have two opponents left.

human+ sized shuriken spam > anything in team's arsenal

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Zabuza loses against these guys.

No not really, Zabuza has his chances.

Shizune and Anko can't do anything and have no speed feats nor Sharingan to keep up with Zabuza like Kakashi did. They will get silent killed in the beginning of the match. The only potential threat here is Asuma; however, the only fuuton he has shown was Dust Cloud, a long narrow laser like jutsu. This jutsu is for decimating anything caught in it. Unlike Temari's fuuton, Asuma's doesn't blow things away all ranges. His fuuton is more focused, especially within his blades. Also, Zabuza's Suiton > Asuma's Katon. A few clone feints and a Water Prison should take care of him.

Zabuza would take it mid-high diff

Probably even Shizune > Zabuza if she has antidote to her own poison cloud.

lololol Shizune>Zabuza? You can't be serious? 1. All Kabuto had to do was jump out of the poison...it's a fodder move. 2. The poison has shown to make a cloud in front of her, Zabuza may be to the side or behind her or too far in front of her. 3. Zabuza sends in Water Clones first so if it was effective (very unlikely), it would effect a Water Clone then Zabuza stomps her.

I expected a little bit more from you.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Kabuto didn't dodged it, he went underground to avoid it [

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] This attack is several times bigger than a human, Zabuza isn't dodging it.

Not to mention he won't even notice the poison cloud if his mist is active.

Obviously Zabuza >>>>> Shizune, but this attack could work against him.

 

[Bantos]

No not really, Zabuza has his chances.

Shizune and Anko can't do anything and have no speed feats nor Sharingan to keep up with Zabuza like Kakashi did. They will get silent killed in the beginning of the match. The only potential threat here is Asuma; however, the only fuuton he has shown was Dust Cloud, a long narrow laser like jutsu. This jutsu is for decimating anything caught in it. Unlike Temari's fuuton, Asuma's doesn't blow things away all ranges. His fuuton is more focused, especially within his blades. Also, Zabuza's Suiton > Asuma's Katon. A few clone feints and a Water Prison should take care of him.

Zabuza would take it mid-high diff



lololol Shizune>Zabuza? You can't be serious? 1. All Kabuto had to do was jump out of the poison...it's a fodder move. 2. The poison has shown to make a cloud in front of her, Zabuza may be to the side or behind her or too far in front of her. 3. Zabuza sends in Water Clones first so if it was effective (very unlikely), it would effect a Water Clone then Zabuza stomps her.

I expected a little bit more from you.

Asuma has a long range fuuton jutsu. Also snakes sense Zabuza and Anko has those. The snakes will find Zabuza from the mist. He loses against them.

human+ sized shuriken spam > anything in team's arsenal

Those shuriken are quite dangerous yes. : D But then again he only used it while being an edo so it really doesn't count. :/
And even if the jutsu did count he really can't spam it because of his low stamina.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Kabuto didn't dodged it, he went underground to avoid it [

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] This attack is several times bigger than a human, Zabuza isn't dodging it.

Not to mention he won't even notice the poison cloud if his mist is active.

Obviously Zabuza >>>>> Shizune, but this attack could work against him.

I already countered how the poison could miss and if it was effective.

Asuma has a long range fuuton jutsu. Also snakes sense Zabuza and Anko has those. The snakes will find Zabuza from the mist. He loses against them.

Asuma's fuuton doesn't do what Temari's does. If anything his fuuton would create a long narrow hole in the mist. He has nothing to counter it.

Anko's snakes are not smelling out Zabuza. Scans of such feats? You're basically telling me Anko beats Zabuza, which is BS.

Zabuza's Suiton takes her out

 

[Bantos]

I already countered how the poison could miss and if it was effective.



Asuma's fuuton doesn't do what Temari's does. If anything his fuuton would create a long narrow hole in the mist. He has nothing to counter it.

Anko's snakes are not smelling out Zabuza. Scans of such feats? You're basically telling me Anko beats Zabuza, which is BS.

Zabuza's Suiton takes her out

Read Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto again. There is a lot of talk of snakes. They sense people. I doubt Anko could solo Zabuza, but they can locate and grab him.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Read Itachi and Sasuke vs Kabuto again. There is a lot of talk of snakes. They sense people. I doubt Anko could solo Zabuza, but they can locate and grab him.

Kabuto has stronger snakes and better senses due to Sage Mode, that's insignificant to Anko's snakes.

Also, they more than likely will locate a clone. Zabuza is winning more times out of 10

 

[Bantos]

Kabuto has stronger snakes and better senses due to Sage Mode, that's insignificant to Anko's snakes.

Also, they more than likely will locate a clone. Zabuza is winning more times out of 10

What. : DDD Snakes are ANIMALS. Nothing suggests that Kabuto's snakes would actually possess superior senses. The snakes will know the difference of a human and a body of water. :|

 

[ShaneEyyy]

What. : DDD Snakes are ANIMALS. Nothing suggests that Kabuto's snakes would actually possess superior senses. The snakes will know the difference of a human and a body of water. :|

Basic animal logic doesn't work in this manga. A regular toad can't spew out water like Gamabunta can. Animals differ from abilities in the series. For example, Nagato's dog summon splits, Kakashi's dog summons have a strong sense of smell. Their abilities differ from the user if that makes sense.

Because Kabuto has Sage Mode that he learned from a snake mountain or whatever, snakes from there probably have better senses than the snakes Anko makes from her arms. So there is something that suggests that.

Snakes aren't locating Zabuza, plus you ignored my argument about how they could smell out a clone. You still haven't countered how they avoid Zabuza's large scale Suiton.

 

[Bantos]

Basic animal logic doesn't work in this manga. A regular toad can't spew out water like Gamabunta can. Animals differ from abilities in the series. For example, Nagato's dog summon splits, Kakashi's dog summons have a strong sense of smell. Their abilities differ from the user if that makes sense.

Because Kabuto has Sage Mode that he learned from a snake mountain or whatever, snakes from there probably have better senses than the snakes Anko makes from her arms. So there is something that suggests that.

Snakes aren't locating Zabuza, plus you ignored my argument about how they could smell out a clone. You still haven't countered how they avoid Zabuza's large scale Suiton.

I will make a thread for this. : D

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Asuma has a long range fuuton jutsu. Also snakes sense Zabuza and Anko has those. The snakes will find Zabuza from the mist. He loses against them.



Those shuriken are quite dangerous yes. : D But then again he only used it while being an edo so it really doesn't count. :/
And even if the jutsu did count he really can't spam it because of his low stamina.

he knew the jutsu so he must have used it before... in short he can definitely use it

 

[Bantos]

he knew the jutsu so he must have used it before... in short he can definitely use it

In short we have no way of knowing if it's usable with his low stamina, which problem he completely lacks as an edo. I mean, he should have used it against Orochimaru. :|
But yeah, one jutsu that just involves big shurikens isn't seriously going to kill them all. Also maybe snakes can gab the shuriken? D

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

Hiruzen wins due to a higher intelligence he will out smart them and spam the hell out of them with shurikens lol

 

[Bantos]

Hiruzen wins due to a higher intelligence he will out smart them and spam the hell out of them with shurikens lol

I wouldn't underestimate Shizune's intelligence.
he can't spam shurikens since he has a low stamina.
And shuriken never kill anyone. Even Iruka tanked a big one. : D
And again, there is Shizune, healing any possible wound.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

In short we have no way of knowing if it's usable with his low stamina, which problem he completely lacks as an edo. I mean, he should have used it against Orochimaru. :|
But yeah, one jutsu that just involves big shurikens isn't seriously going to kill them all. Also maybe snakes can gab the shuriken? D

he used it like a pro so he was definitely capable of using it in his prime...

nope... the shurikens get trought the snakes like the were butter

 

[Bantos]

he used it like a pro so he was definitely capable of using it in his prime...

nope... the shurikens get trought the snakes like the were butter

The snakes would grab the shuriken in the middle. Like, there is the hole. :| This isn't some fan fiction prime Hiruzen, but the real Hiruzen we actually know.
More snakes can be made. And also, I doubt the jonin would actually fall against some shuriken. They're all pretty speedy according to the databook.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

The snakes would grab the shuriken in the middle.

shurikens are too big ... the're way larger than those snakes... they aren't stopping Hiruzen's attacks

Like, there is the hole. :| This isn't some fan fiction prime Hiruzen, but the real Hiruzen we actually know.

this is the manga Hiruzen based on mangafeats

More snakes can be made.

not really since last time I checked the amount of Hiruzen's shurikens >>>>> the amount of Anko's snakes... also it's not like they can do anything... I already explained why

And also, I doubt the jonin would actually fall against some shuriken. They're all pretty speedy according to the databook.

Obito almost died by a normal kunai so I have no problem seeing the likes of Anko and Shizune getting killed by giant shurikens