I'm sorry but you can't make that statement there is to little information about that character other than he the best friend of Itachi and his MS had the most powerful genjutsu in narutoverse and took ten years to recharge unless you have Hashirama's power and that his ninja way was the same as Naruto's unless they do a Shisui chronicle episode filler in the anime
Of course he is dead, but so is Itachi and we have people saying Itachi > Madara or Itachi > So6ps. FACT: If Shisui was reanimated(edo tensei'd) and followed the "curse of hatred", he would own the whole Narutoverse.
Danzo was pretty weak back then, he didn't have MS or 10 Izanagi's when he beat Shisui, Ohh and Tobi never saved Sasuke, His hatred allowed him to overcome that seal, Tobi was going to intervene but Sasuke had it
No he wasn't, that's an assumption. What did Itachi tell you about assuming such things? Danzo used his juinjutsu against Shisui. The same jutsu he later used against Sasuke.
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I'm sure Obito(Tobi) did something to help Sasuke out of this. Look at what he does in this scan.
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Although even if it was his hatred, then that only further proves my point. If Shisui followed the "Curse of Hatred" just like Sasuke, then he too would've broken from Danzo's juinjutsu and would've either killed him or spammed KA on him. :yeah:
You are talking about Jubito who is on a completely different level. However, if it was Shisui(with both eyes) against either MS Obito or Obito with the jinchuriki, Shisui would win through KA.
No he wasn't, that's an assumption. What did Itachi tell you about assuming such things? Danzo used his juinjutsu against Shisui. The same jutsu he later used against Sasuke.
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I'm sure Obito(Tobi) did something to help Sasuke out of this. Look at what he does in this scan.
zIts possible that Danzo used the binding seal on Shisui to get his eye.. however.. Tobi did nothing in that fight. He was ABOUT to help Sasuke with Kamui, but Sasuke helped himself..
so Tobi stopped.. and just watched ... <_<
Although even if it was his hatred, then that only further proves my point. If Shisui followed the "Curse of Hatred" just like Sasuke, then he too would've broken from Danzo's juinjutsu and would've either killed him or spammed KA on him. :yeah:
i agree with ya i also think itachi's gen is a copy of shisui just like obito's tele is a copy of the fourths tech and people forget danzo had a whole army of the hidden leaf and shisui had a kind heart i wouldn't be surprised if he gave it away
I'm sorry but you can't make that statement there is to little information about that character other than he the best friend of Itachi and his MS had the most powerful genjutsu in narutoverse and took ten years to recharge unless you have Hashirama's power and that his ninja way was the same as Naruto's unless they do a Shisui chronicle episode filler in the anime
That's what i'm saying bro. Basically, everything we know about Shisui as of now is sufficient for guys like me who wish to acknowledge and praise his abilities and powers. What i'm getting at here is the fact that if Shisui followed the "Curse of Hatred" which is the same ideal as Madara, he would be a formidable shinobi feared by all. The "Curse of Hatred" itself has the power of changing an individual. Madara and Obito are perfect examples of this. Sasuke at one point also followed the "Curse of Hatred" and it was this that actually caused him to fight and defeat enemies like Danzo, Deidara, Orochimaru and Itachi(even if it was partly a set up). Hope you understand.
Of course, so is Madara, Itachi, Hashirama, Tobirama and Minato? Yet they are still praised and admired because of their abilities even today. However, Shisui's only one ability surpasses all of theirs and any other shinobi who's in line.
No, Obito resisted the Jūbi through his own willpower, he was not "Juubito". You're just downplaying what happened so it will make your favorite character look good. Fact is, Obito resisted and subdued God with his mental willpower. He can resist KA.
zIts possible that Danzo used the binding seal on Shisui to get his eye.. however.. Tobi did nothing in that fight. He was ABOUT to help Sasuke with Kamui, but Sasuke helped himself..
so Tobi stopped.. and just watched ... <_<
Susano'o is a rarity even amongst the Uchiha.. and that's what Sasuke used with his hatred to break the seal.
Well thanks for understanding. But the truth is that the "curse of hatred" ideal has the power to change an individual. Madara, Obito and Sasuke are all examples of this. One doesn't need to have the Susano just to hold huge amounts of hatred. Obito doesn't have the Susano, yet his hatred is as powerful as Madara's if not more. :yeah:
No, Obito resisted the Jūbi through his own willpower, he was not "Juubito". You're just downplaying what happened so it will make your favorite character look good. Fact is, Obito resisted and subdued God with his mental willpower. He can resist KA.
Really? Then why did Obito want Shisui's eye so bad and was pissed when Danzo crushed it. Prior to this, Danzo even confirmed he could use Kotoamatsukami on Obito(Tobi). Don't try to prove to me KA doesn't work on the Uchiha. U_U It worked on Itachi(when he was an edo) and Itachi initially intended for it to be used on Sasuke who had around the same amount of hatred as Obito(probably still does). Hatred has nothing to do with stopping KA from being used on you. Also have to mention, the only reason Obito(Tobi) was calm and not worried about Danzo using Shisui's eye was because he had to keep the arrogant, Madara-like act. If he changed his act and gave a different impression, he would've given himself away and the moon's eye plan would've been a failure.
Shisui is all hype & no feats, is hiruzen the 2nd god of shinobi? Didnt think so...
Feats say he loses to danzo, his only notable jutsu is KA however its slow & any uchiha with info can evade it.
He is fast but he is only fast with shunshin, there is nothing showing us his reflexes or power which could be garbage. For all we know KA is his only oneshot jutsu & if that's the case then lets take a look at all the oneshot jutsus that the uchiha have.
So as you can clearly see, all the uchiha have more than one oneshot jutsus, what makes shisui's so special? Nothing, & since he has no feats to backup his hype then he cant even be compared to the above.
Shisui is all hype & no feats, is hiruzen the 2nd god of shinobi? Didnt think so...
Feats say he loses to danzo, his only notable jutsu is KA however its slow & any uchiha with info can evade it.
He is fast but he is only fast with shunshin, there is nothing showing us his reflexes or power which could be garbage. For all we know KA is his only oneshot jutsu & if that's the case then lets take a look at all the oneshot jutsus that the uchiha have.
So as you can clearly see, all the uchiha have more than one oneshot jutsus, what makes shisui's so special? Nothing, & since he has no feats to backup his hype then he cant even be compared to the above.
Shisui is hype and no feats? First of all, Shisui has manga hype which is legit. :yeah: Also he showed a feat when he spammed Itachi with KA in order to save him from Edo tensei. It was a feat even though it was done indirectly, and don't misunderstand. He didn't lose to Danzo because of his abilities and powers. He lost to Danzo because of his personality. Shisui is considered to be like the "goody two-shoes of Naruto". He was the most kind-hearted and sincere shinobi at the time. It was also thanks to the "Will of Fire". That's why i'm saying if he followed the "Curse of hatred" ideal just like Madara, Obito and like Sasuke, things would be different and he would be a bigger villain than Madara. :scorps:
Your right, other Uchiha also have one-shot jutsu. But the reason why Shisui's is more unique and superior out of all is because his is instant and can be spammed with ease. The most instant one out of the list you gave is Tsukuyomi. However that requires direct eye-contact, so still not very easy to be used. Unlike Shisui's which can be performed without direct eye-contact and what's more is that the enemy doesn't know whether it's been spammed or not.
Well thanks for understanding. But the truth is that the "curse of hatred" ideal has the power to change an individual. Madara, Obito and Sasuke are all examples of this. One doesn't need to have the Susano just to hold huge amounts of hatred. Obito doesn't have the Susano, yet his hatred is as powerful as Madara's if not more. :yeah:
Really? Then why did Obito want Shisui's eye so bad and was pissed when Danzo crushed it. Prior to this, Danzo even confirmed he could use Kotoamatsukami on Obito(Tobi). Don't try to prove to me KA doesn't work on the Uchiha. U_U It worked on Itachi(when he was an edo) and Itachi initially intended for it to be used on Sasuke who had around the same amount of hatred as Obito(probably still does). Hatred has nothing to do with stopping KA from being used on you. Also have to mention, the only reason Obito(Tobi) was calm and not worried about Danzo using Shisui's eye was because he had to keep the arrogant, Madara-like act. If he changed his act and gave a different impression, he would've given himself away and the moon's eye plan would've been a failure.
Just because he wants it, doesn't mean it effects him, it's not like KA was useless -_-
Itachi's KA worked on him? Yes it did, and he gave absolutely no resistance, so that argument is shit.
Obito overcoming God had nothing to do with hatred, it had everything to do with mental fortitude.
And no, Tobi wasn't scared of KA because he was trying to be arrogant like Madara, it was because he knew Sasuke could beat Danzō, he had nothing to fear.
Stop fanboying and face facts. Obito overwhelmed the GOD OF EVERYTHING WITH HIS MIND.
He can resist KA.
No it was not a feat of his it was a feat of Itachi's. Nagato is using madara's rinnegan does that make them madara's feats? Danzo uses shisui's ka, are they now shisui's feats too?? Lol When a ninja uses their tool then it is their feat. Shisui has never been shown to use KA in battle, fact. Saying that he can oneshot top tier uchiha with it is false.
and don't misunderstand. He didn't lose to Danzo because of his abilities and powers. He lost to Danzo because of his personality. Shisui is considered to be like the "goody two-shoes of Naruto". He was the most kind-hearted and sincere shinobi at the time. It was also thanks to the "Will of Fire". That's why i'm saying if he followed the "Curse of hatred" ideal just like Madara, Obito and like Sasuke, things would be different and he would be a bigger villain than Madara. :scorps:
That's his personality. That has nothing to do with the fact that danzo crushed him. & there is no "if", shisui is shisui so if he lost to danzo then that's because of his own gulibility, which still counts towards his character.
Your right, other Uchiha also have one-shot jutsu. But the reason why Shisui's is more unique and superior out of all is because his is instant and can be spammed with ease. The most instant one out of the list you gave is Tsukuyomi. However that requires direct eye-contact, so still not very easy to be used. Unlike Shisui's which can be performed without direct eye-contact and what's more is that the enemy doesn't know whether it's been spammed or not.
1st bold: Give me proof of both of those statements, the fact that you think it can be spammed is quite funny Lol. & it is not instant, & that is a fact. It is a slow ocular jutsu as shown when Itachi used it on himself, it took multiple moments for KA to finally work.
2nd bold: No direct eye contact, but shisui still needs to be able to inject his chakra through the enemy's eyes.
Just because he wants it, doesn't mean it effects him, it's not like KA was useless -_-
Itachi's KA worked on him? Yes it did, and he gave absolutely no resistance, so that argument is shit.
Obito overcoming God had nothing to do with hatred, it had everything to do with mental fortitude.
And no, Tobi wasn't scared of KA because he was trying to be arrogant like Madara, it was because he knew Sasuke could beat Danzō, he had nothing to fear.
Stop fanboying and face facts. Obito overwhelmed the GOD OF EVERYTHING WITH HIS MIND.
He can resist KA.
Sure, the reason why he wanted it was because he knew that it was a powerful eye. Just Shisui's eye alone can solo pretty much anyone, as long as they have eyes of course. =D
I don't know what Itachi could've done to resist the use of KA. What's more is that, even if he wasn't expecting it to spam, how would he know when it would be spammed? Shisui can use KA on his opponent without them even being aware. Check these two manga scans -
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Here, Ao stated Shisui's "..opponents wouldn't even realize they were being controlled." O_O
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In this scan, Itachi himself says, Shisui is "..able to control an individual without them even noticing." Both shinobi praise Shisui because of his eyes. Don't underestimate him.
Also, just because Obito(Tobi) had hope in Sasuke doesn't mean that it would stop Danzo from using KA. Kotoamatsukami is on the same level as Izanagi and Izanami, which are some of the jutsu of Rikudo Sennin. Although, Rikubito may have a counter to this but until I see it, Shisui > Obito. "Stop fanboying and face facts." - I should be saying this to you also.
Manga hype is different to Manga facts and Manga feats. Manga facts and Manga feats are legit. The hype just follows. Sorry but this is what I meant. U_U
No it was not a feat of his it was a feat of Itachi's. Nagato is using madara's rinnegan does that make them madara's feats? Danzo uses shisui's ka, are they now shisui's feats too?? Lol When a ninja uses their tool then it is their feat. Shisui has never been shown to use KA in battle, fact. Saying that he can oneshot top tier uchiha with it is false.
Using KA is a feat which Shisui is known for and considering what Ao, Killer B and Itachi said. Itachi also did it, but this logically proved that Shisui could do it too because he was also an Uchiha and was like Itachi in more ways than one. It's like saying Madara can't use the Rinnegan. But they were originally his eyes, so just because Nagato used it, it doesn't mean Madara couldn't and this was proved when Madara used the Preta path when he was edo tensei'd
What I've come to understand is that the manga is made up of 3 components. You must know these 3 components if you're reading the manga and if you're willing to debate while using manga as a source of evidence. These 3 components are: Manga facts(which are actually statements), Manga feats(which are actually shown being performed) and Manga hype(which is basically hype by one person or people). Every character has Manga facts and only a few have Manga feats(Shisui being the unlucky one). But not every character has Manga hype, such as i.e. Tenten, Ino, Kiba, Udon. However in Shisui's case, although he has no direct Manga feats, he has Manga facts and Manga hype which compensates for that, respectfully of course. Only because of this, he is close to Top 5 if not already there.
That's his personality. That has nothing to do with the fact that danzo crushed him. & there is no "if", shisui is shisui so if he lost to danzo then that's because of his own gulibility, which still counts towards his character.
Precisely, and because his personality was good in terms of an average character, it was really bad in terms of him being a great ninja(a fighter) because it meant that he would be too sincere and gullible and so therefore weak as a result. There is no "if", I agree. But I'm just pointing out to you evidence from Manga which proves Shisui > most characters. If you remember, Obito was also a weak character in terms of ninja but was also good in terms of the average character, much like Shisui actually. But it was because he used to follow the "Will of Fire" ideal. However, when Obito began to follow the "Curse of Hatred" ideal, he changed and is curently among the most powerful characters to ever exist. I told you before, the "Curse of Hatred" can change a person, just like it changed Madara, Obito and at some point Sasuke. :yeah:
1st bold: Give me proof of both of those statements, the fact that you think it can be spammed is quite funny Lol. & it is not instant, & that is a fact. It is a slow ocular jutsu as shown when Itachi used it on himself, it took multiple moments for KA to finally work.
2nd bold: No direct eye contact, but shisui still needs to be able to inject his chakra through the enemy's eyes.
Spammed as in can be used. :| You would like proof. Sure I'll provide just one manga scan and it should be sufficient. Do you remember back at Five Kage Summit, when Danzo manipulated Mifune? Ao and the Fourth Raikage had a suspicion that Danzo was using KA on Mifune. Despite his bandages covering Shisui's eye the whole time, he still managed to use it on Mifune. So there was no direct eye-contact involved.
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As for confirmation whether he was using it or not. Ao says the technique is no longer in use, meaning that it was being used before. Here's the a few more manga scans just in case. *_*
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Now as for whether it can be used instantly or not, you would have to watch the anime episode which shows KA being used. Have you seen Edo Itachi's fight against Naruto and Killer B? If you look carefully, the only preparation time was due to the crow coming out of Naruto. However, the time for the jutsu itself to be used was instataneous.
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As soon as Itachi caused it to work, it worked on him. Although he did look directly into Shisui's eye here, but this was maybe so that Naruto and Killer B could actually see it being used. It was also easier for the audience to become aware of this, I suppose. Hope this post has cleared everything up.
You are the only girl troll I've met. Although there may be others too, but you are the worst. :devil:
If it wasn't for Shisui, Itachi would not have MS. Besides, Itachi shit his pants whenever he was around Shisui and that's why he respected him and considered him his older brother. KA > Shitachi
You are the only girl troll I've met. Although there may be others too, but you are the worst. :devil:
If it wasn't for Shisui, Itachi would not have MS. Besides, Itachi shit his pants whenever he was around Shisui and that's why he respected him and considered him his older brother. KA > Shitachi
I'm not a troll, you're just quick to deny the truth. Keep thinking Shisui is any good, if you want me to be truly honest.
Even Kakashi or Hiruzen stomps Shisui. I mean come on... Shisui was solo'd by a Danzo with no sharingan.
I'm not a troll, you're just quick to deny the truth. Keep thinking Shisui is any good, if you want me to be truly honest.
Even Kakashi or Hiruzen stomps Shisui. I mean come on...
Wow. You should be glad I haven't neg repped you yet, considering how tolerant I am. :heh: You are the one who is denying the truth. I was telling someone that Manga consists of 3 components - Manga facts, Manga feats and Manga hype. Itachi has all three Manga facts, Manga feats and Manga hype. But Shisui has all except Manga feats. However, Shisui's Manga facts > Itachi's Manga facts and Manga feats, while Manga hype can be variable. The most important in the manga are Facts and Feats. Hope this makes sense. :yeah: Read the earlier posts which show Itachi's reaction to Shisui as a character overall. Manga facts say - Shisui > Itachi and Manga feats show - Shisui > Itachi, the end result being Shisui superior to Itachi. Ask me if you don't understand any of this. Shisui one-shots Kakashi + Hiruzen btw.
Yes he was, but that does not directly mean Danzo > Shisui. Shisui only got soloed because of the ideal he followed. Again read the earlier posts to find out. The point i'm gonna make is that if Shisui followed the 'Curse of Hatred', then he would've killed Danzo. In fact, Danzo wouldn't even have the balls to try and solo Shisui if this were the case. But due to Kishi's will and plot, Shisui was one of the most sincere yet gullible of all characters. :yeah:
Wow. You should be glad I haven't neg repped you yet, considering how tolerant I am. :heh: You are the one who is denying the truth. I was telling someone that Manga consists of 3 components - Manga facts, Manga feats and Manga hype. Itachi has all three Manga facts, Manga feats and Manga hype. But Shisui has all except Manga feats. However, Shisui's Manga facts > Itachi's Manga facts and Manga feats, while Manga hype can be variable. The most important in the manga are Facts and Feats. Hope this makes sense. :yeah: Read the earlier posts which show Itachi's reaction to Shisui as a character overall. Manga facts say - Shisui > Itachi and Manga feats show - Shisui > Itachi, the end result being Shisui superior to Itachi. Ask me if you don't understand any of this. Shisui one-shots Kakashi + Hiruzen btw.
Yes he was, but that does not directly mean Danzo > Shisui. Shisui only got soloed because of the ideal he followed. Again read the earlier posts to find out. The point i'm gonna make is that if Shisui followed the 'Curse of Hatred', then he would've killed Danzo. In fact, Danzo wouldn't even have the balls to try and solo Shisui if this were the case. But due to Kishi's will and plot, Shisui was one of the most sincere yet gullible of all characters. :yeah:
What are you, 10? I don't care if you neg rep me. Shisui got solo'd thats the fact. He got one of his eyes taken from Danzo. If he was so powerful he would've used his KA on Fugaku and prevented the Uchiha from performing their coup d'etat. He would've also used KA on Danzo to prevent him from taking his eye.
FACT: If Shisui was reanimated(edo tensei'd) and followed the "curse of hatred", he would own the whole Narutoverse. 
however.. Tobi did nothing in that fight. He was ABOUT to help Sasuke with Kamui, but Sasuke helped himself..
Shisui is hype and no feats? First of all, Shisui has manga hype which is legit. :yeah: Also he showed a feat when he spammed Itachi with KA in order to save him from Edo tensei. It was a feat even though it was done indirectly, and don't misunderstand. He didn't lose to Danzo because of his abilities and powers. He lost to Danzo because of his personality. 
