Shishui and Itachi

[Oblivionx]

He got out of KA because Danzo undone it. He got spotted by Ao.

Or Danzo simply didn't give Mifune a complex/lengthed order, such as go there, do this, do that and kill this. Danzo only needed Mifune to talk using former's own thoughts, which he successfully transfered to the latter's mind, for a little while.

You could say that KA effect ends once the order, that was given to the victim, is completely fullfilled.

if that was the case then how did Ao even figure out that danzo was controlling mifune? having sharingan is not a crime coz Ao himself had a stolen byakugan... Ao saw danzo manipulating mifune and mifune didn't make him the commander as explained
Mifune: I might have chosen you anyway hokage, then why?
Danzo: i had to make sure of it.... thus danzo did use KA and mifune got out...

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

thanks.....now lets try to create the scenario of the possible battle.....
COMPARISONS
1. Speed : Shisui> Itachi
2. Ninjutsu : Itachi> Shisui(based on the data we have till now)
3. Genjutsu : Shisui>= Itachi (only because of KA nothing else)
4. Taijutsu : Itachi =Shisui (Shuriken jutsu might give Itachi an edge and Itachi was shown to have great Taijutsu a at his prime. Also since he is not sick his durability is increased )
5. Intelligence : Itachi=Shisui(from what i can actually gather till now)

Well considering both are familiar with each others techniques i think they both will use a clone of some sort to analyze and strategise rather than approaching each other in a frontal assault. From the above comparison we can see they are both almost equal though Shisui's shunshin gives him a huge advantage while facing Itachi or anyone else.... Speed becomes a prime asset. Now lets say they were to strike each other after confrontation of their real selves then Shisui will have an advantage cause he is shown to have casted Genjutsu over a long range....however I am not sure he could do it on Itachi if the latter is using Susano. Amaterasu by Itachi will be dodged so that isn't a prime force to consider until and unless Itachi uses it to corner Shisui.....If both face each other using Susano its a win for Itachi coz shisui has no counter to Totsuka or Yata.....However if Shisui prolongs the battle and forces Itachi to use his MS for longer duration Itachi will get exhausted and will be defeated....We saw how weak he gets after using Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi.......so whoever plays to his strengths will win but I will say its a 55-45 in Shisui's favour solely coz of his speed and KA

Nice analyzes, but what abour Itachi without his illness? He'll essential be like edo itachi using Susanoo without coughing up blood and losing too much stamina. Do you think that Itachi's duration will be as long as Shishui or no?

But that's not how genjusu works... once casted it should have made mifune a puppet.. otherwise once itachi was free of kabuto's control, he should have gone back in kabuto control when the crow vanished... genjutsu acts in a moment... it's not like danzo needed to keep casting it for 2 hours to get selected as supreme leader... he gives an absolute command, much like geass from code geass... except that user can escape it if they know, they are being influenced...
in fact no jutsu works like this otherwise user may even get killed before they successfully influence their enemy (if it takes like hours to make their enemy change mind) although that can explain why shisui got his eye plucked out by danzo as well but i see it rather far fetched...

That's not how genjutsu works. It is up to the user when to start and end the genjutsu, otherwise nobody in the series will ever have a problem with genjutsu if we go by your logic. Nobody can overcome a sharingan genjutsu on your their own, it's unheard of and mifune never shown any sign of releasing or breaking out of KA. He just sat there in confusion. And implying that a samurai can break out of the most power genjutsu in the world is also something you don't want to be telling people too. It's all in the databook. Mifune can't even break out of a basic ocular genjutsu let alone ones like tsukyomi and KA.

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ocular genjutsu and non ocular genjutsu do not share the same principles.

 

[Observer]

if that was the case then how did Ao even figure out that danzo was controlling mifune? having sharingan is not a crime coz Ao himself had a stolen byakugan... Ao saw danzo manipulating mifune and mifune didn't make him the commander as explained
Mifune: I might have chosen you anyway hokage, then why?
Danzo: i had to make sure of it.... thus danzo did use KA and mifune got out...

Bold #1: Ao has encountered Shisui before, and has also seen Shisui using KA on his hidden mist squad. He obviously remembered since then the flow and chakra color of Shisui's eye and could obviously sense KA effects, while it's being used/activated. He was a good sensor-type ninja himself to begin with.

Bold #2: Mifune actually did want to make Danzo the commander of Shinobi Alliance, while the former was under the effect of KA. At the end Mifune said something like: "Since all other candidates seem inappropriate to me, the only right and logical answer to this would be choosing Hokage to be the commander of SA."

 

[Sasuke tyeezy]

I really do think that in a Shisui vs Itachi fight everything would come down to speed, genjutsu and intelligence. Whoever lands the hit with Tsukuyomi or Kotoamatsukami respectively basically wins the match. Big techniques are irrelevant here, could be used as finishers, though.

Thing is though, canonically Itachi knows most ins & outs of Shisui's MS including KA.

Shisui doesn't know Itachi's MS abilities though.

 

[Oblivionx]

That's not how genjutsu works. It is up to the user when to start and end the genjutsu, otherwise nobody in the series will ever have a problem with genjutsu if we go by your logic. Nobody can overcome a sharingan genjutsu on your their own, it's unheard of and mifune never shown any sign of releasing or breaking out of KA. He just sat there in confusion. And implying that a samurai can break out of the most power genjutsu in the world is also something you don't want to be telling people too. It's all in the databook. Mifune can't even break out of a basic ocular genjutsu let alone ones like tsukyomi and KA.

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ocular genjutsu and non ocular genjutsu do not share the same principles.

sumarai is out of context if requirement is knowing that you are under genjutsu... but i see your point via that image...

Bold #1: Ao has encountered Shisui before, and has also seen Shisui using KA on his hidden mist squad. He obviously remembered since then the flow and chakra color of Shisui's eye and could obviously sense KA effects, while it's being used/activated. He was a good sensor-type ninja himself to begin with.

Bold #2: Mifune actually did want to make Danzo the commander of Shinobi Alliance, while the former was under the effect of KA. At the end Mifune said something like: "Since all other candidates seem inappropriate to me, the only right and logical answer to this would be choosing Hokage to be the commander of SA."

genjutsu can be sensed? that would mean all good sensor ninjas stand a chance against it... since good sensors usually have good chakra control as well... and lets assume he completed the command as to select danzo as leader but still he realized he was being manipulated just like how itachi realized that KA freed him.. That is also a weakness coz if you realize that you are being manipulated then you sure as hell can do something about it... Also KA was never used for extreme measures as to kill yourself... it was used to to make sure of logical decisions or decisions that victim would may do anyways... also as it's hype states "it's power lies in victim not knowing that they are being controlled... " i believe if victim is going to kill himself, any sane person would suspect something's wrong... since mifune didn't lose his senses or capability to think as is the case with geass or death note thus they cannot be ordered to kill themselves...

 

[SenseiSama]

Itachi reads through all jutsu and claims every jutsu has a weakness. He would most likely have a counter to KA which I believe is Will of Fire, you know since that's the theme of Uchiha powers vs Ashura powers.

I believe someone with a strong will like Itachi or Naruto would've been able to resist the mind control like Madara resisting the control of Edo Tensei, because in the end of the day genjutsu serves to affect a person's will.