Shinsuusenjuu ISN'T a Sage Mode Jutsu.

[-ahhimane-]

In last chapter, it proved.

Everyone noticed how Hiruzen countered the Shinsuusenju's five elemental attack and hence hailed as the "God of Shinobi" again (I'm not a Hiruzen hater)

But did anyone noticed? (since we were under assumption that it's a sage mode jutsu)
Who summoned the Shinsuusenjuu?

Madara? Nope. He was busy with the Bijuus this whole time.
Edo Hashirama? Nope. He was held down by the black rods.

These are the only two people who can summon shinsuusenjuu because they possess the sage mode.

But it was Spiral Zetsu who summoned the Shinsuusenjuu. Now, saying "summoned" it completely wrong. I'd say "created" or it's a jutsu which takes the form of a buddha with multiple hands.

It was first summoned by Hashirama after activation of his Sage mode. Here :

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The reason I found/understood is that he needed more number of hands/arms as well as strong hands/arms to counter the Susano'o covered full sized Kurama along with the Susano'o sword which got strength to cut mountains with one swing of its power.
A normal Level Shinsuusenjuu couldn't stand against such an opponent.

Like we saw Naruto increasing the size of rasengans using his Sage mode, Hashirama used his Sage mode to increase the size of his shinsuusenjuu as well as the number of hands to tame his opponent and its attacks.

This is the size of the Shisnuusenjuu summoned by Hashirama compared to a full-sized Kurama.

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Lets compare the size of full sized Kurama with the shinobis.

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Lets compare the size of Shinsuusenjuu used by Spiral Zetsu against Shinobi Alliance.

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Plus there are less number of hands on its back.
These scans proves that Shisuusenjuu used by Spiral Zetsu is approximately equal to the size of a full-sized Kurama (both in standing position on two legs)

Back to Hiruzen, he proved himself as the God of Shinobi by taking all five elemental attacks at once that too of an original Shinsuusenjuu (not the sage mode enhanced one)

Conclusion : In chapter 662, Kishimoto showed us that Shinsuusenjuu is not a Sage mode jutsu but instead is a Mokuton ninjutsu which can also be enhanced by sage chakra as well as sage mode.

 

[The Sach]

Nice thought OP, I really liked it.U_U

 

[-ahhimane-]

Nice thought OP, I really liked it.U_U

thanks =D =D

 

[AllomnisymbolsparttwoT]

That is what I said in a thread long time ago but someone said I was bullshitting heh, he must be feeling pretty stupid now

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

yes you are right and that mokuton jutsu performed by yamato U_U....
Spiral zetsu is controlling yamato and thats why spiral zetsu able to perform shinuusenju

 

[Erebus]

Nice, well it does make sense with the whole sage mode enhancement, Hashi might have used it in sage mode because it cost a lot of chakra and in sage mode it could deal more damage

 

[TheTailedSage]

SM is needed to do it at a certain Volume/Size . Tobi has done a mini buddah because he possesses mokuton but not SM

 

[Young Vongola]

What Spiral Zetsu used isn't even Shinsusenju. Shinsusenju has to have 1000 hands that thing isn't even close.

 

[-ahhimane-]

That is what I said in a thread long time ago but someone said I was bullshitting heh, he must be feeling pretty stupid now

a rep fro you then =D

@-Sach- couldn't rep you since it says spread some reps

 

[God of TryHards]

I mean, anyone who actually pays attention to the Manga and doesn't rant like an oblivious little kid would have caught this. It's nice to see someone clear this up for people. Good job.

 

[-ahhimane-]

What Spiral Zetsu used isn't even Shinsusenju. Shinsusenju has to have 1000 hands that thing isn't even close.

if you see both the scans, one of Hashii's and one of SZ's, you can see both are same but different in sizes.

 

[Jack Spicer]

Alotta s's and u's.

 

[Uzumaki Menma]

yes you are right and that mokuton jutsu performed by yamato U_U....
Spiral zetsu is controlling yamato and thats why spiral zetsu able to perform shinuusenju

Where did you get that from? That's merely an assumption on your part. Until the chapter unveils said theory, there's no use referring to it as absolute truth. Maybe Shninuusenju isn't that exclusive . . . U_U

 

[-ahhimane-]

yes you are right and that mokuton jutsu performed by yamato U_U....
Spiral zetsu is controlling yamato and thats why spiral zetsu able to perform shinuusenju

now that actually makes sense that Yamato is inside SZ since this jutsu doesn't need SM actually to perform it.

Nice, well it does make sense with the whole sage mode enhancement, Hashi might have used it in sage mode because it cost a lot of chakra and in sage mode it could deal more damage

Thanks =D

SM is needed to do it at a certain Volume/Size . Tobi has done a mini buddah because he possesses mokuton but not SM

I think that's what I said, btw, thanks =D

I mean, anyone who actually pays attention to the Manga and doesn't rant like an oblivious little kid would have caught this. It's nice to see someone clear this up for people. Good job.

thanks =D

 

[TheTailedSage]

now that actually makes sense that Yamato is inside SZ since this jutsu doesn't need SM actually to perform it.

Thanks =D

I think that's what I said, btw, thanks =D

thanks =D

Merely simplifying it for the ones lazy enough or ignorant not to read your thread. Your welcome +rep

 

[NaruSasuRival]

In last chapter, it proved.

Everyone noticed how Hiruzen countered the Shinsuusenju's five elemental attack and hence hailed as the "God of Shinobi" again (I'm not a Hiruzen hater)

But did anyone noticed? (since we were under assumption that it's a sage mode jutsu)
Who summoned the Shinsuusenjuu?

Madara? Nope. He was busy with the Bijuus this whole time.
Edo Hashirama? Nope. He was held down by the black rods.

These are the only two people who can summon shinsuusenjuu because they possess the sage mode.

But it was Spiral Zetsu who summoned the Shinsuusenjuu. Now, saying "summoned" it completely wrong. I'd say "created" or it's a jutsu which takes the form of a buddha with multiple hands.

It was first summoned by Hashirama after activation of his Sage mode. Here :

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The reason I found/understood is that he needed more number of hands/arms as well as strong hands/arms to counter the Susano'o covered full sized Kurama along with the Susano'o sword which got strength to cut mountains with one swing of its power.
A normal Level Shinsuusenjuu couldn't stand against such an opponent.

Like we saw Naruto increasing the size of rasengans using his Sage mode, Hashirama used his Sage mode to increase the size of his shinsuusenjuu as well as the number of hands to tame his opponent and its attacks.

This is the size of the Shisnuusenjuu summoned by Hashirama compared to a full-sized Kurama.

Spoiler

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Lets compare the size of full sized Kurama with the shinobis.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Lets compare the size of Shinsuusenjuu used by Spiral Zetsu against Shinobi Alliance.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Plus there are less number of hands on its back.
These scans proves that Shisuusenjuu used by Spiral Zetsu is approximately equal to the size of a full-sized Kurama (both in standing position on two legs)

Back to Hiruzen, he proved himself as the God of Shinobi by taking all five elemental attacks at once that too of an original Shinsuusenjuu (not the sage mode enhanced one)

Conclusion : In chapter 662, Kishimoto showed us that Shinsuusenjuu is not a Sage mode jutsu but instead is a Mokuton ninjutsu which can also be enhanced by sage chakra as well as sage mode.

Is this a finding? Did you think it was a sage Jutsu?
If it was the case, then you are one of the people who used to call me a stupid guy. Actually, there is no such thing as sage Jutsus. Rather, there is utilization of one Jutsus in sage mode. This explained by the toad who taught Naruto, and we know that sage mode is no more than blending one physical and spiritual energy with nature energy to form a new enhanced chakra.

Basically, every Jutsus performed by user in SM is nothing but the same Jutsus they can use in base mode, but using the new chakra. This make the jutsus more powerful. Even frog Kata is no more than a taijutsus using surrounding natural energy.

Only fools thought that there is a sage Jutsus, or sage feats. I even wrote a thread to prove that Naruto is naturally a sensor. The only reason Naruto did not use his sensing prior to SM was that Sensing requires to focus a lot of chakra. Thus, in SM, having a lot of powerful chakra, his senses are activated. To see that, you have to understand that for Naruto to know that Kakashi is missing, he had to know the signature of Kakashi's chakra when Kakashi was alive. This proves that before he went to train for SM, Naruto was already a sensor.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Is this a finding? Did you think it was a sage Jutsu?
If it was the case, then you are one of the people who used to call me a stupid guy. Actually, there is no such thing as sage Jutsus. Rather, there is utilization of one Jutsus in sage mode. This explained by the toad who taught Naruto, and we know that sage mode is no more than blending one physical and spiritual energy with nature energy to form a new enhanced chakra.

Basically, every Jutsus performed by user in SM is nothing but the same Jutsus they can use in base mode, but using the new chakra. This make the jutsus more powerful. Even frog Kata is no more than a taijutsus using surrounding natural energy.

Only fools thought that there is a sage Jutsus, or sage feats. I even wrote a thread to prove that Naruto is naturally a sensor. The only reason Naruto did not use his sensing prior to SM was that Sensing requires to focus a lot of chakra. Thus, in SM, having a lot of powerful chakra, his senses are activated. To see that, you have to understand that for Naruto to know that Kakashi is missing, he had to know the signature of Kakashi's chakra when Kakashi was alive. This proves that before he went to train for SM, Naruto was already a sensor.

White rage and Muki tensei says Yo

 

[Prince Charles]

White rage and Muki tensei says Yo

Turn up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[-ahhimane-]

Is this a finding? Did you think it was a sage Jutsu?
If it was the case, then you are one of the people who used to call me a stupid guy. Actually, there is no such thing as sage Jutsus. Rather, there is utilization of one Jutsus in sage mode. This explained by the toad who taught Naruto, and we know that sage mode is no more than blending one physical and spiritual energy with nature energy to form a new enhanced chakra.

Basically, every Jutsus performed by user in SM is nothing but the same Jutsus they can use in base mode, but using the new chakra. This make the jutsus more powerful. Even frog Kata is no more than a taijutsus using surrounding natural energy.

Only fools thought that there is a sage Jutsus, or sage feats. I even wrote a thread to prove that Naruto is naturally a sensor. The only reason Naruto did not use his sensing prior to SM was that Sensing requires to focus a lot of chakra. Thus, in SM, having a lot of powerful chakra, his senses are activated. To see that, you have to understand that for Naruto to know that Kakashi is missing, he had to know the signature of Kakashi's chakra when Kakashi was alive. This proves that before he went to train for SM, Naruto was already a sensor.

when Edo Madara showed Mokuton abilities, people assumed that he cannot use it since he needs Hashirama's sage mode to use it.

by the way, naruto, sometimes, doesn't uses nature energy in his rasengan or RS in Sage mode. So it's upto the user whether he wants to use the senjutsu/nature energy to enhance their jutsus when they are in sage mode.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Turn up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dam right