Shinshuusenju vs BM powered space time barrier

[Rikudou Tobi]

I never said Minato couldn't "warp" the Kyuubi....especially when he already warped it in canon. We were talking about the barrier:

Oh that's what you mean. I get what you're saying but Minato's placement is the issue. He can create these ftg rifts in mid air.

Flying Thunder God: Guiding Thunder (飛雷神・導雷, Hiraishin: Dōrai)

Ninjutsu

Minato creates a rift in Space-Time in the middle of the air. The Nine Tails released a massive Tailed Beast Ball, but it was swallowed up in an instant, and transferred to another place.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Just curious, what would happen if SS's punch touches the barrier? (I mean if Minato create a rift in front of the incoming punch)

 

[ARGUS]

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[Demonic.]

Oh that's what you mean. I get what you're saying but Minato's placement is the issue. He can create these ftg rifts in mid air.

Yes but the entire statue still needs to walk right into it, willingly.

Minato's only ever used it on non-stationary objects traveling a linear path for a reason.

Which is why I brought up Kurama. He didn't even try to use this method to warp it away.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Yes but the entire statue still needs to walk right into it, willingly.

Minato's only ever used it on non-stationary objects traveling a linear path for a reason.

Which is why I brought up Kurama. He didn't even try to use this method to warp it away.

Really? The barrier warps anything it touches instantly. Is there any statement that says it has to suck the whole thing? (I'm just asking)

 

[Waltz]

Yes but the entire statue still needs to walk right into it, willingly.

Minato's only ever used it on non-stationary objects traveling a linear path for a reason.

Which is why I brought up Kurama. He didn't even try to use this method to warp it away.

How did you ever come by Shin-Shuusenju being a stationary object and using this method to warp the Kyuubi would have put anyone or anything in the village near the Kyuubi at risk.​

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Why?

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It's strange how no one is mentioning the fact that in truth, Hashirama would have the Buddah walk or punch right into it because he has no knowledge of the Jutsu or it's function.​

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Yes but the entire statue still needs to walk right into it, willingly.

Minato's only ever used it on non-stationary objects traveling a linear path for a reason.

Which is why I brought up Kurama. He didn't even try to use this method to warp it away.

Yeah I know he didn't use that method but the ninjutsu works in mid air right? And the tool that creates that rift is his special kunai knife.

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So if his target is not in motion then the only other solution is to make his jutsu to be set in motion to warp away any objects, wouldn't you agree?
Even if he can't do that, being able to not attack makes you completely useless because you have no way of getting around the space-time rift. That's what the OP meant when he create this thread. So if Shinsuuenju cannot attack because of this jutsu, then it loses its purpose. Using it against a summoning like the kyuubi will sure as hell work and send it away, but nothing is stopping a reverse summoning from happening again so its kinda pointless. Is Shinsuusenju count as a summoning? Because if it does then it completely makes ftg v2 pointless as well.

 

[Demonic.]

How did you ever come by Shin-Shuusenju being a stationary object ​

Where did I say it was stationary?

It can obviously move...but its movement is controlled by Hashirama. Hence why I said Shinsuusenju has to move right into the barrier for it to be warped (meaning Hashirama has to move it)

and using this method to warp the Kyuubi would have put anyone or anything in the village near the Kyuubi at risk.

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Uh, that's my point? Minato warped Kurama away, but he didn't use FTG barrier to do it because Kurama has to walk right into that shit...thus putting the village in unnecessary danger...

 

[Waltz]

Saying:​

Yes but the entire statue still needs to walk right into it, willingly.

Is placing a non-existent prohibiting factor on how the actual scenario would play out and adding this: ​

Minato's only ever used it on non-stationary objects traveling a linear path for a reason.

To your previous statement could only be interpreted as: "It may not work because the Buddah may not willingly walk into it" aka "The buddah may remain as a stationary object". ​

Uh, that's my point? Minato warped Kurama away, but he didn't use FTG barrier to do it because Kurama has to walk right into that shit...thus putting the village in unnecessary danger...

Having the Kyuubi walk into the Barrier would have been an effortless thing for Minato to achieve; Eh...I'm just not getting why you're continually emphasizing on it as a major prohibiting factor especially as the flaw in the much dissimilar situation presented. ​

 

[Curse Mark]

Having the Kyuubi walk into the Barrier would have been an effortless thing for Minato to achieve; Eh...I'm just not getting why you're continually emphasizing on it as a major prohibiting factor especially as the flaw in the much dissimilar situation presented.

How would he have done this?

 

[Waltz]

How would he have done this?

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[muhalakau]

Considering the kyuubi cloak boosted Kakashi's S/T tech so much that he could warp away the juubi, and that base minato could warp away 100% Kurama, I think it's far more plausible than not that base Minato getting his S/T powered up by not just the kyuubi cloak, but BM would allow him to warp away shinsuusenjuu.

Kishi would never let that happen though, or he'd probably give Hashirama the ability to kuchiyose his statue back.

 

[Demonic.]

Saying:​

Is placing a non-existent prohibiting factor on how the actual scenario would play out and adding this: ​

To your previous statement could only be interpreted as: "It may not work because the Buddah may not willingly walk into it" aka "The buddah may remain as a stationary object". ​

Nope...SS avoids the barrier by simply not moving into it... not the same as "remaining stationary." You're just twisting my words because I was describing the movement of a Bijuudama (and I used more than just non-stationary to describe its movement too). Unlike a Bijuudama, SS movement is entirely controlled by Hashirama.

Really? The barrier warps anything it touches instantly. Is there any statement that says it has to suck the whole thing? (I'm just asking)

The Bijuudama as a whole wasn't warped instantly, the entire thing had to go through the barrier:

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Clearer in the anime:

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So the entire statue has to move into the barrier and that would only happen if Hashirama makes the entire thing go in and even if he does, he'd go with it anyway, so what's the point? Bm Minato can warp SS without the barrier leaving Hashirama defenseless. Don't see why so many people are *****ing about the barrier.

 

[NarutoX28]

Which one wins?

You know Hashirama can just attack around the S/T barrier, right?

 

[Oblivionx]

Barrier cannot teleport away the SS unless SS walks right in to it. But with BM reserves minato can teleport it away by physical or chakra arm touch. Though he can evade it as well but thread really makes no sense. If you mean what will happen if SS punches into ST barrier than punches will probably hit someplace else by going right through barrier. It's a door, it doesn't need to be powered up to let something pass through it, and i don't think even size matters because minato teleported both BD from kurama and jubi via barrier in base so he doesn't need BM to open the door for SS.
EDIT: SS was used to battle large beasts as in Biju plus PS. I don't think it can even hit small target like madara or minato for that matter as shinobi can jump right over it's arms. Coz if this wasn't the case after kurama was out and PS was down, SS would have made a paste out of madara unless there's a limit to it's use that it can only be used once in battle..

 

[Waltz]

Nope...SS avoids the barrier by simply not moving into it... not the same as "remaining stationary." You're just twisting my words because I was describing the movement of a Bijuudama (and I used more than just non-stationary to describe its movement too). Unlike a Bijuudama, SS movement is entirely controlled by Hashirama.

You do know the Bijuu-Dama is stationary before it is fired off right? I could make the very same argument for Minato warping the Kyuubi's Bijuu-Dama to say that the Bijuu-Dama avoids the barrier because it being fired off is entirely controlled by the Kyuubi.

You now get why I'm just not getting why you're continually emphasizing on it as a major prohibiting factor especially as the flaw when its actually a non-existent and unrealistic prohibiting factor. ​