Shinra Tensei Databook IV translation, so OP !

[Benjamin King]

So it's confirmed Sasuke can't use Shinra Tensei (for now). This should now debunk Sasuke's potential to surpass Madara in usage of Rinnegan. Not like he had the potential to begin with.

 

[maniaoqan]

- having rinnegan and being adapted to it
- having all elements: yin relase, yang release, wind, fire, earth, lightinng and water.

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  - Obito lacks yin release
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  - lacks yang release

1- Obito lacks yang release not yin
2- Nagato also lacks yin release and he is perfectly capable of using ST.

I think what meant by all elements is only basic elements not yin-yang.

 

[VongolaX]

1- Obito lacks yang release not yin
2- Nagato also lacks yin release and he is perfectly capable of using ST.

I think what meant by all elements is only basic elements not yin-yang.

This is what I'm trying to imply here

 

[Apêx1]

Sasuke does posses Shinra Tensei. If you use the most potent form of a paths (Chibaku Tensei as well as using BT to bring them towards him), then surely one can deduce that he can use its weaker/counterpart forms (Shinra Tensei)

 

[ANiMUS]

So it's confirmed Sasuke can't use Shinra Tensei (for now). This should now debunk Sasuke's potential to surpass Madara in usage of Rinnegan. Not like he had the potential to begin with.

U should really read the replies. It was kinda debunked already :|

 

[Apêx1]

The translation or his statement?

The translation is probably wrong and I'd trust BlacLord on this. He's one of the only people on NB who can actually read Japanese Kanji and translate them.

His statement about size and power too is right. The power of the technique stays the same as it's the exact same technique as the one we were shown, just on a larger scale. It's just amplified to a larger distance to do more damage to a wider AoE, but it retains the same brunt as the normal Shinra Tensei.

ST's strength varies power and size wise.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Pulling the meteors is not a six path move at all, it's something completely different like limbo.

Sasuke was using the outerpath

What makes you think that? It didn't have a name as new jutsus usually have like limbo had. Plus Outer path is the one who lives out side life and death who can revive others, use the 6 paths abilities and control the 6 bodies via chakra rods. Naruto commented on the outer path while talking about Nagato's controlling the Paths

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. Konan talks about the 7th path which is outer path here

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. So it can't be outer path as it describes outer path already. As Madara haven't called the jutsu by a new name and we know his eye have the ability plus we know he can use Deva path by the sheer fact that he used CT which is a Deva path ability, both Sasuke and Madara have Deva path

 

[KCMNaruto]

Sasuke does posses Shinra Tensei. If you use the most potent form of a paths (Chibaku Tensei as well as using BT to bring them towards him), then surely one can deduce that he can use its weaker/counterpart forms (Shinra Tensei)

No he doesn't have it unless you have proof for that.

Chibaku Tensei was not even stated as deva path it more like mix of deva patha and sealing techniques.

BT is deva path, but ST is not BT so Sasuke doesn't have it until he shows it or is stated as user.

 

[Ambivalence]

No he doesn't have unless you have proof for that.

Databook doesn't prove otherwise either. You yourself said that it's only upto chapter 691, plus it lists Madara as the only PS user, which is obviously false.

Not only that, but Nagato himself doesn't have yin release, even though the DB says you have to have all the elements to use it. It's either the writers are stupid, or they just meant the 5 basic elements.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Databook doesn't prove otherwise either. You yourself said that it's only upto chapter 691, plus it lists Madara as the only PS user, which is obviously false.

Not only that, but Nagato himself doesn't have yin release, even though the DB says you have to have all the elements to use it. It's either the writers are stupid, or they just meant the 5 basic elements.

I meant he doesnt have it up until 691 chapter at least, but nothing points that he can it even after it, other Rinnegan paths yes, but ST no.

Well DB is made of alot of contradictions but we have to deal with it, just like with each databook.

Besides wasn't it like: Manga < databook < opinion

 

[VongolaX]

I meant he doesnt have it up until 691 chapter at least, but nothing points that he can it even after it, other Rinnegan paths yes, but ST no.

Well DB is made of alot of contradictions but we have to deal with it, just like with each databook.

Besides wasn't it like: Manga < databook < opinion

So that means everyone with the rinnegan can use it right?

Madara including Hagormoo are the only ones with a full seven element while Obito, Nagato, and Sasuke have six elements.

On top of that, the DB said those elements are just lost of what elements people can handle and hiden Justus.

Only three people were said to have yin yang release besides the Ootsuki family, which is inside of the yin yang origins section.

 

[VongolaX]

What makes you think that? It didn't have a name as new jutsus usually have like limbo had. Plus Outer path is the one who lives out side life and death who can revive others, use the 6 paths abilities and control the 6 bodies via chakra rods.

Black rods are not rinnegan techniques, they're just Madara's will that was use in substitution of the rinnegan.

Every rinnegan user has shown outerpath so far, the ct he used to hold the bijuus and move it around is not classified as ST or BT, it's just chibakui tensei.

Him absorbing the bijuus into Susanoo and making it a vessel for the bijuus chakra is Outerpath.

He basically used his Susanoo like Gedo mazou, Gedo absorbs all the bijuus chakra.

Naruto commented on the outer path while talking about Nagato's controlling the Paths

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. Konan talks about the 7th path which is outer path here

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. So it can't be outer path as it describes outer path already. As Madara haven't called the jutsu by a new name and we know his eye have the ability plus we know he can use Deva path by the sheer fact that he used CT which is a Deva path ability, both Sasuke and Madara have Deva path

CT was never classified as deva path technique

Because naruto and Haruma are also under the casters of chibakui tensei in the manga and databook.
None of the two are rinnegan users.

 

[KCMNaruto]

So that means everyone with the rinnegan can use it right?

Madara including Hagormoo are the only ones with a full seven element while Obito, Nagato, and Sasuke have six elements.

On top of that, the DB said those elements are just lost of what elements people can handle and hiden Justus.

Only three people were said to have yin yang release besides the Ootsuki family, which is inside of the yin yang origins section.

Nope, Obito and Sasuke can not until stated or shown otherwise.

 

[Transcendence]

ST's strength varies power and size wise.

You're not understanding what me or Blaclord were saying.

The technique stays the same, which means the power of the technique stays the same. The only variation is the size of the technique which gives it more effective AoE, which makes it seem stronger than it is, but it's strength is the same, just spread farther.

Rasengan and Oodama Rasengan. They're the same technique just one is bigger and can reach a wider AoE (in this case it's way smaller for a comparison but it hits a wider AoE on the body giving the illusion it's stronger, but it's still the same technique, just bigger).

 

[VongolaX]

Nope, Obito and Sasuke can not until stated or shown otherwise.

As in how?

Nagato only has 5 elements and yang, no yin at all.

Hagormoo/Madara have all 5 elements with yin and yang element, yet there not even listed as users of shrina tensei in the databook.

 

[shelke]

Rinnegan and Yin and Yang go hand in hand, but Sasuke doesn't have it despite possessing an eye that is superior to the Regular Rinnegan? I don't get it, nor does it make any sense.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Rinnegan and Yin and Yang go hand in hand, but Sasuke doesn't have it despite possessing an eye that is superior to the Regular Rinnegan? I don't get it, nor does it make any sense.

Well it just Shinra Tensei which according to rough translation of databook page makes special case.

Sasuke is most likely capable of use all other Rinnegan paths like Ashura path, Naraka path, Human paths as he has proved use of Preta path, outer path, Deva path(BT) and CT

 

[Ambivalence]

Is there a translated page on Preta Path? Since we know for sure Sasuke can use it, if he isn't listed as a user (since he used it after ch.691), then we know this databook is simply garbage..

 

[xxSAGExx]

Black rods are not rinnegan techniques, they're just Madara's will that was use in substitution of the rinnegan.

Every rinnegan user has shown outerpath so far, the ct he used to hold the bijuus and move it around is not classified as ST or BT, it's just chibakui tensei.

Him absorbing the bijuus into Susanoo and making it a vessel for the bijuus chakra is Outerpath.

He basically used his Susanoo like Gedo mazou, Gedo absorbs all the bijuus chakra.



CT was never classified as deva path technique

Because naruto and Haruma are also under the casters of chibakui tensei in the manga and databook.
None of the two are rinnegan users.

Wasn't talking about the black rods alone but what can be done with them, controlling the bodies using the chakra rods which is connected to the Gedo (Nagato got imbued with them his first summon if it) and Nagato can use all Sage techniques as the 7th path as Konan said. CT doesn't need to be either ST or BT, it's its own jutsu used by Deva path as Deva Pein used it and Nagato haven't shown to put other path abilities in other paths. Deva path uses gravitation forces to push or pull, CT creates a core with gravitational pull.

Or him absorbing the chakra is of pretha path that can absorb ninjutsu and chakra. He pulled the chakra out of his own jutsu, CT, the Gedo is used to absorb in the Bijuu's but Sasuke used his Rinnegan to do this and the only ability the Rinnegan shown to use that's close to a feat like that is pretha path.

Deva Pein using it classifies it plus all 3 of the jutsus involve gravitational force. And? CT that Naruto/Sasuke and Hagoromo/Hamura used was a Sage CT and in both cases there was someone with the Rinnegan on and it was a Yin Yang thing. Yin Yang can create things as show with Kakashi's eye and the Bijuu's themselve.

 

[VongolaX]

Wasn't talking about the black rods alone but what can be done with them, controlling the bodies using the chakra rods which is connected to the Gedo (Nagato got imbued with them his first summon if it) and Nagato can use all Sage techniques as the 7th path as Konan said. CT doesn't need to be either ST or BT, it's its own jutsu used by Deva path as Deva Pein used it and Nagato haven't shown to put other path abilities in other paths. Deva path uses gravitation forces to push or pull, CT creates a core with gravitational pull.

Madara's aka Kaguya's will came out of the Gedo mazou, Gedo mazou is Kaguya.

In short, both of their will pulled out a great deal of life energy from Nagato to use soul dragon.

The black rods itself is not the outerpath, it's the chakra being transmitted through them.

Edo Madara who had these black rods couldn't use the outerpath at all, he needed Obito or Nagato (if he were alive) to do it.

CT is not deva path move, Nagato channels all other moves through deva like: the body sacrifice substitution technique, astral lantern (akatsuki uses fir gathering), rain at will, and the copy seal team Gai faced during the gaara retrieval arc.

^^In short, just because deva used it doesn't mean it's a deva path technique other Justus can be used through deva outside the six path Justus.

For Haruma and naruto are also casters of chibakui tensei in the Databook and manga as well.

Or him absorbing the chakra is of pretha path that can absorb ninjutsu and chakra. He pulled the chakra out of his own jutsu, CT, the Gedo is used to absorb in the Bijuu's but Sasuke used his Rinnegan to do this and the only ability the Rinnegan shown to use that's close to a feat like that is pretha path.

That was an act of outer path not preta path.

Sasuke himself didn't absorb all the bijuus chakra, his Susanoo did which resulted in a lightning human figure inside Susanoo.

Just like Gedo mazou, the mazou absorbs in the bijuu chakra not the user.

Sasuke used absorption technique on naruto after he punched him.

Deva Pein using it classifies it plus all 3 of the jutsus involve gravitational force. And? CT that Naruto/Sasuke and Hagoromo/Hamura used was a Sage CT and in both cases there was someone with the Rinnegan on and it was a Yin Yang thing. Yin Yang can create things as show with Kakashi's eye and the Bijuu's themselve.

Deva pein never classified it as six path at all.

Did you read the databook on CT?