Shinra Tensei>=Buddha!!! (I think so)

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So, there has been a lot of doubt that Nagato would stand a stance against Hashi, particularly because of Buddha. Therefore, in this thread I will attempt to explain why I think Shinra Tensei can easily compete with Buddha.

Now, first I would like to address the size of the Buddha, since most users like argue the Buddha's massive size advantage over most techniques.

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This here is size of the Buddha in comparison to FULL Kyuubi. As we know, a full Kyuubi is HUGE, but is only relatively the same size of any large toads, who are also equal in size to other Tailed Beast.
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Now if the Kybuui Size=Toads (90% chance), its size would appear in a similar fashion as the Toads did in the Naruto vs Pein fight.
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Notice the smoke in the first image where the toads appear, notice exactly how SMALL they are and EXACTLY where they are located in the effected area. NOTICE THE RANGE/FORCE/PRESSURE THAT WAS PUT FORTH. Now, this was done by PEIN, who according to Naurto isn't as strong or as fast as Nagato himself

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this is manga fact the Pein isn't nearly as BA as Nagato and the Shinra Tensei used to destroy the village wasn't even Nagato at his FULL STRENGTH

but yeah, just keep the size in mind for now lol
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Now, secondly I must focus on the power put forth by the Kyuubi against the Buddha and why it isn't as destructive as Shinra Tensei. This certainly isn't easy and I'll give it a try =D

Destructive Power: I'll make this quick as possible.

The Kyuubi's TBB in general does not have nearly the same range as Shinra Tensei or it's destructive force. Here is a FULL Kyuubi's TBB used against Madara and resulting in a small cloud of smoke. Now, once the smoke clears, we can see that the impacted area isnt nearly as great of ST, with its range being no greater than the Kyuubi itself.

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in fact, it seems to have been no greater then these TBB's

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This conclusion is reached by comparing how big kakashi and Gai are compared to the TBBs vs how big Hashi is here to the TBB

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In these two instance, the TBB are shown to be relatively the same size in comparison to Kakashi and Gai vs Hashi. Also notice the impact each TBB had on it's environment! Therefore, it can obviously be assumed that the TBB used against the Buddha were no greater bijuubomb.

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Also, with the TBB (themselves) being used simultaneously, seeing as TBB depends on the amount of chakra the Kyuubi puts in, these TBB most likely lacked in power. They certainly weren't on the level of the combined TBB

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conclusion:
-Buddha has no size advantage, that would prevent Nagato from using Shinra Tensei from a critical level
-The TBB used against the Buddha wasn't nearly as destructive as Shinra Tensei, nor did it have the range.
-one giant destructive force>a few little TBB's :O
-Shinra Tensei hasn't been used to its full potential
-I'll add to this probably later, I'm getting lazy now haha

P.S excuse the typos, i was rushing hahaha
 

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karuma's forearm is the length of the toads torso and crouched legs. His ear, starting from his ankle, goes all the way to it's mouth.
 
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you are one 100% correct. but as they always say,

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also nagato's shinra tensie would much greater damage than pain's;)
 
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They still won't accept it.. They won't accept that a jutsu that can one shot konoha will destroy budha no problem...! They just won't admit that the power of sage's eyes is greater than some budha...!
 
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They still won't accept it.. They won't accept that a jutsu that can one shot konoha will destroy budha no problem...! They just won't admit that the power of sage's eyes is greater than some budha...!
it's very unfortunate, that's all i can say. But as long as some are fully aware of this, that's all that matters
 

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That was Pein. Nagato>Pein

Also, Nagato had used a tremendous amount of chakra beforehand. Don't forget it was divided up into 6
Well Naruto said Nagato was more powerful.. I'm not so sure if that changes anything about it.. did it have to do with chakra anyways? Refresh my memory a bit though when did nagato use a tremendous amount of chakra?
 

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Well Naruto said Nagato was more powerful.. I'm not so sure if that changes anything about it.. did it have to do with chakra anyways? Refresh my memory a bit though when did nagato use a tremendous amount of chakra?
-_- he killed a number of shinobi beforehand, even Kakashi. Yes, chakra was the issue, Konan made a comment about this afterwards.
 

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The overall size is not the same.

Kyubi is probably the biggest tailedbeast/strongest along with being bigger than Gamabunta by quite some margin

The budha itself has enough strength to take out perfect susanoo..so I doubt some full force push will be able to take something like that down..maybe deflect some of the punches..but all dem arms would be too much and totally crush
 

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Well Naruto said Nagato was more powerful.. I'm not so sure if that changes anything about it.. did it have to do with chakra anyways? Refresh my memory a bit though when did nagato use a tremendous amount of chakra?
actually it does.

when nagato uses the six paths of pain, every sec he wastes a large amount of chakra to control their bodies, use OP jutsu, make them talk, so in one hour nagato would waste about the full amount of chakra of 10 average shinobis. he stated he put his full power into shinra tensie.

but nagato himself would be different, due nagato doesnt have to waste large amount of chakra every second, because his chakra is now fully concentrated to one body and it is used effectively more than his six paths. how do we tell that? pain's chibaku tensie was broken by kyuubi's brutal strength while nagato's required bijuu dama, FRS, yasaka magatama.

chakra does actually change nagato's attacks.

in the end nagato > pain.
 

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The overall size is not the same.

Kyubi is probably the biggest tailedbeast/strongest along with being bigger than Gamabunta by quite some margin

The budha itself has enough strength to take out perfect susanoo..so I doubt some full force push will be able to take something like that down..maybe deflect some of the punches..but all dem arms would be too much and totally crush
how is the same not the same?? Comparing the limbs to toad and fox means, obviously they would be longer.

The buddha only had two arms remaining, it was wrecked as well. These are two different destructive powers and ST has IMO been stronger in this respect.
 
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