You really cant compare the fighting styles of Shino and Shikamaru like that. And why cant Temari kill the bugs?
@Bold: no she cuts down the entire forest.
Apart from a big gap in intelligence, aren't their fighting styles the same? Shikamaru is smarter than Shino, but Shino has the advantage as he can attack from multiple angles. Unlike Shikamaru who could only attack from one point, making it easier for Temari to avoid. But with Shino, Temari will have to be on the constant look out.
I think the bugs are too tiny to be shredded apart. They were durable enough to survive a direct blast of high air pressure.
Bold: Something she only did with the use of Kamatari, her weasel summon. Which was not shown until AFTER the Chunin Exams.
Shikamaru was able to use the trees for cover.
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you can see a few trees bending back and being carved from Temari's Kamaitachi, but none of the trees are being uprooted.
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Shikamaru hiding behind a tree as Temari uses another Kamaitachi. Notice that while it's a powerful gust, the tree is still intact. Also shown
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The trees where Shino fought Kankuro was a lot larger and thicker.
No, Shino's bugs are no where near as durable as Tenten
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so Temari's fuuton rip them apart.
I keep getting an error message every time I try to view a Narutobase manga link. So I had to use another scan for the time being.
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to withstand a direct blast of air pressure, with only some of them being torn apart. While Temari's Fuuton is a lot stronger, I would think that such a direct and high pressured attack on creatures so small would have caused a lot more damage.
Bugs are made of flesh so anything that can slice off even a small amount of wood (
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Why I don't think the insects would be ripped apart is because I would have thought them being
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tiny (even smaller that Shino's
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) and light weighted, therefore they'd just be blown back. :erm:
They're certainly smaller than a piece of wood.
You show me a page of Tenten lying unconscious on the fan. Not that the attack that possibly knocked her out was the Fuuton. As their entire fight was off panel, it could be argued that Tenten was only battered by the fuuton but was out when she landed back first on the fan.
All that said, Shino is already well aware of Temari's attack method (as she is of his). Temari is expected to win, because most have Shino go on an obvious full frontal attack where Temari can just blow/kill them off and that's that. Which isn't how Shino fights at all. If he knows his insects will be ripped apart he won't send them towards Temari as a direct attack unless it was part of his strategy (as seen with Zaku and Kankuro where he made one group to force his opponent to keep an eye on that one, as the real threat of insects were making their actual attack). If he sends a colony of insects towards Temari where she blows them away, it would be because he's aiming to distract her from the real threat of insects slowly advancing their way towards her. Temari has no sensing abilities and can only look at one place at a time.
While Shino's mode of attack do have advantages over Shikamaru's like you mentioned, Shikamaru's shadows do have their advantages as well. One advantage is that since Shikamaru was hiding behind a tree with large shadows, Temari had to retreat or else she'd be standing on them. This meant that she had to fight at over 15 m (
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) whereas the optimal distance kamaitachi no jutsu was to be used is 10 m during the CE arc as shown by the databook entry below. Furthermore, Temari couldn't blow away Shikamaru's shadows which she can easily do to Shino's bugs and the ones who get hit directly will die.
Yes, but that advantage of Shikamaru only allowed him to lengthen the distance of his shadow. Temari still only had to keep a eye out for that one shadow tendril. This is how Shino has the advantage over Shikamaru. Because he can attack from any side at any given time. So when Shino makes a direct full frontal attack, even though they'll get hit and maybe die, the attack will be only to ensure Temari is unaware of the real threat of insects making their way forward.
Those bugs
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so Temari should be able to either hit Shino directly, move out of the way, or attack them.
Take a look at that last panel, the one after Zaku thinks the insects are coming from below the skin. Notice the speech bubble pointing behind him and his shocked expression? That speech bubble is the chattering of the insects behind him and this is what causes him to look behind him. See that
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? He was caught off guard.
How is Temari going to avoid insect attacks from any side, at numerous times, while still finding an opening to use her fan? While you link shows they insects in the open to be seen, this was because Shino wanted Zaku to see them. They mad noise to force Zaku to notice them. This was only to ensure Zaku would not notice the insects crawling in his arm tubes. He did the same thing to Kankuro, had them
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. If Temari sees the insects advancing towards her it's because Shino wants her to.
Temari should have no problem mowing down Shino's clones
Shino mostly uses his clones as a way to avoid attacks rather than to actually attack (although he could use them to attack).
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In the second example, you can tell it's the real Shino because he inhales the poison gas, but when the Puppet seeks behind him and slashes him, he's suddenly an insect clone. This shows just how quickly he can switch to a clone, so he should be able to avoid Temari's attack. Temari wouldn't even know it was clone, and will have to quickly find where the real Shino is, in which case she could be hitting clone after clone or a last making a blind attack.
and then taking him down and he'll be under more pressure than Shikamaru was due to the fact that Temari can freely move around the battlefield without having to worry about the
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I would say that Temari would be the one under more pressure. Because while she doesn't have to worry about shadows, which could only attack her from one point anyway, she does have to worry about tiny insects that can attack from any direction, all sides at once, at any range with her having no sensing ability or way to look at more places at once, forcing her to likely having to keep dodging and finding a way to use her fan, which she wasn't able to until she stopped backing away from Shikamaru's shadow which only happened because he reached his limit. Everything Shikamaru had an issue in and had to make do, Shino doesn't have that problem.
That said, do you really think Shino is going to make himself obvious? If you say "Temari should have no problem mowing down Shino's clones and then taking him down", it means Shino has to be an idiot. That despite using a clone to attack, he'd still be in the open for Temari to attack him once she mows down his clones. If he's using a clone, the real him is likely behind one of the trees. Which one? Temari can't tell and will just have to take a blind shot a it.
Just to add, versus Kankuro, whether it was the real Shino or a clone, there was always a Shino in the open. If he was real he'd be able to switch to avoid an attack. If it was a clone the real Shino made a surprise attack elsewhere. As I showed before, Shino can switch to a clone very quickly. Quick enough to avoid being sliced straight after being poisoned.
Why would Temari be the one hiding behind a tree which can be used to blindside her with insects? Didn't Shino's bugs in part one need the scent of the
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It's a female bug, not a mother bug. And while you're right about Shino needing the scent of a female I do suggest you turn one page back from the scan you provided. Because it
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how Shino was able to work around this issue: diversion.
Unlike Kankuro Temari is a more mobile fighter and Shino's part one bugs can't fly and have no speed feats so as long as Temari can shift her position, this would render the insects' slow advancement to her position useless as they'll be back to square one. All that hard work for nothing.
So if she's a mobile fighter and would likely not hide she's made herself an easier target for both insects and Shino who can stay hidden while gradually advancing forward. Female scent was only needed because Kankuro stayed hidden, because he's not an open fighter. It's different moving freely on ground than it is on the high tops of large trees, of which have large branches on them. The insects are less about speed and more about espionage. They attack silently and suddenly, from any angle at once. That said, I would say that this is a fast enough speed of their movement.
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Look how quickly they're moving to engulf the puppet and run down the chakra strings to get to Kankuro. How's Temari going to see the insects hiding among all those large tree trunks, branches and leaves? Where once again, any insects sh sees is likely to be the ones Shino wants her to see, because the real threat is making the actual attack in an hidden direction.
Kamaitachi can't even cut down these thick trees. And she doesn't have Kamatachi at this point.
Oh, CE versions. Yes Temari doesn't rape. If they were adult versions then Temari would shit on him, terrible matchup.
How can that be judged if we haven't seen them fight as adults?
Shino losing is too much about him being so OOC that he'd make an obvious attack on Temari where she can kill his bugs with her fuuton, knock/kill him and that's it. Instant win. This is not how Shino fights at all. Even at some disadvantage such as needing scent and he and his insects not being as fast moving as may need to be, Shino has been shown to work around such issues. So no, it won't be a "rape" for Temari as most claim.
