Shino vs Hidan
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uhhhh the whole point is that shino would win...i don't see the point of you quoting me and contradicting me, when it's clear that shino win. and i +rep him because he's not another fanboy and sensible as in he's not the "hidan would just blitz shino, get his blood, and kill him" type. that is all...what's your point of commenting?No, he's calm because that's who he is. It has nothing to do with his team. He wouldn't turn anxious just because he's put on a different team.
No, he's still quite collected. He shows his sensitivity because he wants to connect with his comrades, but it's never been an issue with his fights or lifestyle. Considering that the only time his sensitive is when he's ignored/forgotten (which is understandable) and no other time, he doesn't exactly get "hurt easily". Also, when did Hinata help Shino feel less anxious?
Shino's never lost control of his composure to the extent he'd lose a fight. And there's nothing to show that he ever will.
Some people think Kankuro won because he got up without any aid. Only it wasn't shown, so it can't count as a win.
If you meant Kishimoto made Shino more sensitive during Shippuden then no. He first showed a hint of sensitivity when he asked Kiba about the Sasuke mission. Shino is meant to be shown as composed, not emotionless. Shino showing some sensitivity makes him human, so I have no problem with it.
If his bugs haven't been shown to resist elemental jutsu then how can you say his weakness is going up against Ninjustu? Also, only the Databooks give us the idea Shino is weak at Taijutsu. The manga, not so much. He simply just doesn't use it and has never been forced to.
Er...Shino is part of a clan. How he ultilizes his bugs is how everyone else in his clan does. The idea is to get chakra-eating bugs on the opponent regardless of distance.
No that was Shino's strategry that got Zaku and Kankuro in the end.
Not really. He uses long range 'cause that's how the bugs work. Keep in mind that those who use close range are at the risk of getting hit or tiring out, because they're trying to keep at a close distance with their opponent. Shino using close range when he has the means to use long range would just be a waste of his energy.
Compared to them, yes. But not because of them. Shikamaru and Neji both have been shown to lose their cool. When has Shino? He shows a bit of a sensitive side only when forgotten/ignored. Other then that he keeps his calm state. If Shikamaru, Neji and Shino went on a mission they'd all be calm and composed. There'd be no reason for either of the boys to make the other uncomfortable.
Kankuro was chakra exhausted and might have died if Temari hadn't found him. Remember that Kankuro couldn't even move and could only weakly greet his sister.
While Shino got help from his father, Shino has more of the right to have the last laugh. He took his opponent down first. He was still able to move despite being poisoned and didn't fall until his opponent was taken down. As oppose to Kankuro who couldn't move at all as soon as he was overwhelmed by Kikai. Shino also managed to leave the battlefield before Kankuro. Kankuro was never shown to leave with or without any aid from Temari.
Show an example of Shino ever doubting himself. Also, Shibi trusts his son's cabilities. This was shown when he told Shino to do his best as they faced Konan. Shino said "I will". Hidan would just be another S-rank opponent that Shino would have to face in a collected manner.
Since Shino is mostly composed (save from a bit of sensitivity) and you state he has a chance to beat Hidan, then I think he should be able to pull it off. It's just the matter of a good strategry.
Someone before suggested that someone else read the manga. I think you need to as well. Please explain where you got the idea Shino would be composed because he's being backed up or because his team mates with Kiba and Hinata. Also provide a hint of Shino having issues with "crazy people". Hidan would probably be just another Kiba to Shino.
No, Shino would expect any type of opponent. Even a small child. As he told his team mates long ago "Never underestimate your opponent. No matter how small a bug they may seem". Or how crazy. When has Shino shown sensitivity because someone is cold hearted and mean? Shino's not a child.He shows sensitivy because he's ignored and wants to connect with those he works with.
On bold: Please provide an example to back this up.
Sorry, but they weren't. They're stating Shino would be sensitive to Hidan's crazyness and "meaness". Because Shino sulks when forgotten... Entirely ignoring that Shino is only sensitive when forgotten and composed any other time.
He's not Hinata. He has a lot of confidence in himself. Fighting in the chunin exams, going after Kankuro, fighting in the Pain war along side his clan, showing no fear in the war, using Insect Sphere early in the wall with no hesitation (even calmly telling Hinata not to stress herself as he, too is helping).
His dad already thinks so. Not only was Shino with his dad to confront Konan, his dad told him to do his best. Shino agreed and was shown a small panel of his moving forward with no hesitation before the scene changed.
Amahara Uchiha
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let me stop u there by saying that shino is far from shikimarus inteligence, not sayin that cause im a fan its juss that shikimaru is the smartest in the leaf being that hes the only one that has like a beyond perfec i.q., shino is a good strategist but not as good as shika, but on the topic i think hidan wuld win juss cause shinos bugs couldnt even phase hidan, he is immortal n ttechnically hidan didnt loose to shika cause hes not dead yet, like kakuzu said hes still stuck down in that hole, if asuma died by his hands so would shino, juss common sence, n imo i think shino is the worst out of the rookies, aside from the girls that is, not sayin im sexist but i think kishi is lol
On bold: You claimed they were sensible. They weren't. How could you not have gotten that?
They were sensible when they didn't use the "hidan would just blitz shino, get his blood, and kill him" reason.
They weren't sensible when they instead claimed Shino would lose his cool against Hidan's craziness/meaness just because Shino showed a sensitive side to being ignored.
How exactly?
Sarutobi Sensei
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Gee, defensive, ain't u? I praise Shino for a lot of his abilities, but I'm looking at his experience, he is 15 to 17 years old taking on an immortal Akatsuki member. Sure, a kid did beat Hidan only because Shikamaru had intel and time to prep to beat Hidan.On bold: You claimed they were sensible. They weren't. How could you not have gotten that?
They were sensible when they didn't use the "hidan would just blitz shino, get his blood, and kill him" reason.
They weren't sensible when they instead claimed Shino would lose his cool against Hidan's craziness/meaness just because Shino showed a sensitive side to being ignored.
How exactly?
Also, thats irrelevant about Konan, u know I'm being realistic.. if Shino took on Konan alone, he wouldn't have much composure as he would with his clan behind his back. Talk about safety net.
Also, the reason I said Shino had doubts in himself is because of this particular panel:
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(it was Ino, not Hinata, my bad) Ino told Shino that he will be FINE... Ino doesn't seem worried. It shows that Shino is a worrywart, a part of his personality... NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THAT.
and realistically speaking, worrywarts often worry about their abilities. Look at this episode:
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Shino highly doubted his taijutsu abilities and decided to give up on his team. He does think low of himself. That type of mentality isn't going to be good for Shino in his battle against Hidan who constantly rants.
Sure, u can flame me for using a non-canon episode, but u know fillers are loosely based on the personalities of the characters.
Shino would pwn Hidan if he has confidence. Which he doesn't 100% have.
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Cute, but me disagreeing with you doesn't make me defensive. I disagreed, explained why and asked you to back up your claims. xd
He's a 15 to 17 year-old Shinobi that shows more maturity for his age. Shikamaru defeating Hidan because he had intel has nothing to do with Shino. They're two different characters whose only similarities is that they both fight steps ahead of their opponent using a calm mind.
Why wouldn't he have as much composure without his clan or anyone else being there? Do you not remember that everyone else fighting in that war had a "safty net" with others being there? It was a war. You provide backup in a war if you're able. You don't take chances and fight one-on-one.
Unless you see Shino lose composure in front of an S-rank opponent you can't claim otherwise. Especially since his personality traits show that in all situations on the battlefield he's quite calm.
That's not lack of confidence or being a worrywart. That's being cautious. Kiba was taking the war lightly and Shino believes in treating situations with a careful mind. That's how Shino is. Despite those words he's still able to fight in the war with no hesitation.Also, the reason I said Shino had doubts in himself is because of this particular panel:You must be registered for see links
Ino told Shino that he will be FINE... Ino doesn't seem worried. It shows that Shino is a worrywart, a part of his personality... NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THAT.
Shino was almost entirely OOC in that episode. When in the manga has he ever shown doubt that would hint any possibility of him giving up on his team? Answer; there isn't. They simply just chose to make him so prideful to the point he'd sulk and go off to train on his own with no help from his team. Despite the manga showing how Shino believes in the importance in trusting your comrades and aiding them when in need.
In the end, the anime means nothing. It can't provide proof or an example of Shino doubting himself. Not when the manga shows otherwise.
Shino, mentality wise, will be fine in front of Hidan. Even if he truely doubted himself in Taijutsu or whatever it has never been shown to effect his performences on the field.
Manga shows he has plenty of confidence and is only naturally cautious. His nature has never been shown to effect his battles. =)Shino would pwn Hidan if he has confidence. Which he doesn't 100% have.
Sarutobi Sensei
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Yeah.. I don't even take this thread seriously and u are countering every sentence I typed, even including posts from the other guy I debated with. That's defensive. You are clearly more book-smart about this and u put in more effort to make ur points. I can see and understand your points clearly. You want to be right and u think I'm wrong, that's cool. You win.
It is just how I have always looked at Shino, u know mangas could be interpreted differently by many people like art and literature. I didn't imply Shino had no confidence in himself, at some points, Choji is an excellent example of no confidence. In my opinion, Shino is nothing like that, he has a different way of showing his doubts.
You interpret that Kiba was taking the war lightly and Shino thinks situations should be treated with a careful mind. I interpret that Kiba is having a conversation with his sister, saying he can kick ass in the war. Shino, having his own conversation with Ino, overhears Kiba and grows worried with Ino putting him at ease.
You can see the difference between our interpretations. I'm open minded to your interpretion.
Although, I still think Shino doesn't have that mentality he needs to win against Hidan one on one, he isn't far from it, though. You do think he is confident enough to beat Hidan, that's great too. :shrug:
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Cthulhu420
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Hidan's scythe isn't made to inflict lethal wounds; It's main purpose is to draw blood for His ritual, which is Hidan's one and only tactic for victory. And if Hidan does manage to preform his ritual, he would have to stand still for it to work properly, which would just leave him wide open for Shino's bugs.
You're giving out your thoughts. Like me. I'm taking it no more seriously then you are. xd
What effort do I even need to use to counter you? You made a claim that I disagreed with and stated why. No effort or book-smarts was needed. You just need a basic understanding of a character. You're in the Battledome part of the forum where the idea is to debate.
Wait, so when you state your own view of Shino or anyone else as you see them you're just stating your view? You're not being serious or anything? When I state my own view I'm taking it seriously and being defensive? :shrug:
Kiba saying that if he kicks enough arse he might become Hokage shows he's taking the war lightly. Hana even tells him not to treat war like a game.
Shino stating they need to avoid drawing attention to themselves shows caution, not doubt.
Even if we agree it's doubt or caution it still doesn't show Shino being effected on the actual battlefield. Something you more then once tried to claim.
Really? Accusing me of being defensive and serious is being open-minded of my interpretations?You can see the difference between our interpretations. I'm open minded to your interpretion.
I don't recall saying Shino would win or lose. I do think he has the possiblity to win, though.
You make it sound as if his doubts or whatever effects his battles. They don't. That's what I'm trying to point out to you. Shino shows caution (and prehaps doubt) outside of the field. Inside the field he shows none of that previous doubt, but he does show caution. He'd be foolish not to.
black uchiha
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Lol its a lot of stupid people on here....lol Shino ftw no explanation needed he is fighting hidan for crying out loud...lol just silly
USSJ Future Trunks
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yes he is fighting hidan, a mother****ing akatsuki member and therefore kage level. dunno about you but a no knowledge shino is the equivalent of trash.
he's only kage lvl cuz of his ONE jutsu! gah i wish ppl would stop sayin "he's in akatsuki for a reason/he's kage lvl!" it's str8 crap. the whole purpose of akatsuki is to capture the tailed beasts. yeah they might be good at other fights, but they're MAIN PURPOSE is to capture the tailed beasts. Hidan and Kakuzu are a damn good team in doing that, i'll give them that. but Hidan BY HIMSELF vs Shino...? and you say Shino would lose cuz Hidan is "kage lvl"...and i'm not even gonna address the last statement :flaw:
Sarutobi Sensei
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You're giving out your thoughts. Like me. I'm taking it no more seriously then you are. xd
What effort do I even need to use to counter you? You made a claim that I disagreed with and stated why. No effort or book-smarts was needed. You just need a basic understanding of a character. You're in the Battledome part of the forum where the idea is to debate.
Wait, so when you state your own view of Shino or anyone else as you see them you're just stating your view? You're not being serious or anything? When I state my own view I'm taking it seriously and being defensive? :shrug:
Kiba saying that if he kicks enough arse he might become Hokage shows he's taking the war lightly. Hana even tells him not to treat war like a game.
Shino stating they need to avoid drawing attention to themselves shows caution, not doubt.
Even if we agree it's doubt or caution it still doesn't show Shino being effected on the actual battlefield. Something you more then once tried to claim.
Really? Accusing me of being defensive and serious is being open-minded of my interpretations?
I don't recall saying Shino would win or lose. I do think he has the possiblity to win, though.
You make it sound as if his doubts or whatever effects his battles. They don't. That's what I'm trying to point out to you. Shino shows caution (and prehaps doubt) outside of the field. Inside the field he shows none of that previous doubt, but he does show caution. He'd be foolish not to.
Yeah, I gave out my thoughts and views. I explained myself and it was mostly on his mentality. Some would question what I said, but I thought I was clear on my opinions. I dont care if people look at them differently. That's the difference between us. I found this battledome to be fun, its full of kids posting their opinions and fanboys who flame, of course, I didn't come here to flame, but its fun to read. I don't think I'd have to come here prepared to debate or win one. Only to drop on who I'd think would win, and explain myself once and expand on it if I have to.
I'm just an Average joe who comes home from work, grabs a beer from the ref after a long day of work and uses a laptop on Narutobase when my kids nap or go to bed. I went over the Naruto manga twice. The episodes at least once. My kids went over them 10+ times, they might would be a better debater than me.
I have bigger things to worry about than being serious about this, I hope the same goes for you because really, its cartoon we r talking about. I have a habit of realistically linking the cartoons to the real life. (which is why, normally a person would be less likely to keep their composure against a gang in a street fight compared to a person with his whole gang on his side, like Shino and his clan against dozens of Konan clones, if it was Shino alone against dozens of Konan's clones & Konan herself, he'd lose composure. It's a pretty realistic thinking.) Back to cartoons, I see Shino sulking, being sensitive ever since he was a kid, and growing worrisome of the war makes me think he isn't mentally capable of taking on Hidan 1 on 1. That's it. U think otherwise. I'm not even trying to convince u that my opinions are right. That is how I look at Shino and u go all out debating every aspect I said.. Great, u win a gold star sticker for being a better debater. :shrug:
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Totsuka No Tsurugi
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hidan manage to keep up with asuma(high level jounin) while shikamaru chase him with that shadow spear,
ppl clearly underestimate hidan to the level that they think SHINO can beat him, not to mention he pawn chiriku whose also a high skilled shinobi
ppl clearly underestimate hidan to the level that they think SHINO can beat him, not to mention he pawn chiriku whose also a high skilled shinobi
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Holy crap. You gave out your thoughts and views. I gave out mine. For someone who doesn't care if people view them differently you sure are showing me otherwise. U_U
Underlined: What's with the self bio?I'm just an Average joe who comes home from work, grabs a beer from the ref after a long day of work and uses a laptop on Narutobase when my kids nap or go to bed. I went over the Naruto manga twice. The episodes at least once. My kids went over them 10+ times, they might would be a better debater than me.
You clearly have an issue with me having a different view to yours. Which is funny for someone stating to not take this seriously and to be "open minded to your(my) interpretion". =)
How is it that when you state your view of Shino you're just having fun and giving out your thoughts? Yet when I give out my view I'm being serious and need to realise it's a cartoon? You made what I thought was a extremely stupid claim about Shino. He has mentality that would effect him in his fight against Hidan? Seriously?
Naruto is not "realistic". At twelve Shino was showing far more composure of a child his age ever shows. And do I seriously need to remind you that Shino has so far been in four major events (Chunin Exams/invasion of Konoha by Otogakure and Sunagakure/Invasion of Pain/Current war) and has yet to lose his composure? If what you stated was even a bit true we'd be seening a doubtul Shino long ago.
You say that your opinions are right and yet multiple times you have stated they are just your thoughts. You even use certain words to suggest they are your thoughts and even told me you treat cartoon in a realistic manner.
Shino has no mental issue that effects him in battle. I state my claims based on what I've seen of him in the manga. Nothing shows he'd lose his composure or that he has mental issues that effect him in battle. You thinking realitically means nothing in manga.
I get it. You're allowed to state your view. No one else is, least they be accused of taking things seriously. xd
Sarutobi Sensei
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I'm having issues about our different views? Okay....? Idk where that came from because I've repeated a few times, I said I dont care and I was open minded about your interpretation and I even handed the debate victory to u?You clearly have an issue with me having a different view to yours. Which is funny for someone stating to not take this seriously and to be "open minded to your(my) interpretion". =)
How is it that when you state your view of Shino you're just having fun and giving out your thoughts? Yet when I give out my view I'm being serious and need to realise it's a cartoon? You made what I thought was a extremely stupid claim about Shino. He has mentality that would effect him in his fight against Hidan? Seriously?
You say that your opinions are right and yet multiple times you have stated they are just your thoughts. You even use certain words to suggest they are your thoughts and even told me you treat cartoon in a realistic manner.
Shino has no mental issue that effects him in battle. I state my claims based on what I've seen of him in the manga. Nothing shows he'd lose his composure or that he has mental issues that effect him in battle. You thinking realitically means nothing in manga.
I get it. You're allowed to state your view. No one else is, least they be accused of taking things seriously. xd
The self bio was because u made it sound like everybody must know their own shit before coming in, "u need to understand the basics of a character" etc.. I'm saying not everybody is like that.
I kind of expected you to pull that defensive manner again and continue with this silly debate like kids do. I let u win this debate. Move on?
You take ur time to quote everything I said and made sure u have a point against every sentence of mine. I don't even read every sentence you typed. I never said my opinions r absolutely right but naturally, I'm biased or entitled to my own opinion? Don't take it personal if I viewed u as a defensive type of a guy if that is the reason u are continuing this conversation. I'm too old to put up with smart alecks.
By the way, the jab u tried to make in this sentence? "You made what I thought was a extremely stupid claim about Shino." If you thought these petty words was going to work, think again.
Your posts tell me that you have issues about our different views, that you do care and that you are not open minded about my interpretations. Nor did you "hand the debate victory" to me.
"Gee, defensive, ain't u?"
"Yeah.. I don't even take this thread seriously"
"You are clearly more book-smart about this and u put in more effort to make ur points"
"You want to be right and u think I'm wrong, that's cool. You win."
"I dont care if people look at them differently. That's the difference between us."
"I have bigger things to worry about than being serious about this, I hope the same goes for you because really, its cartoon we r talking about"
"That's it. U think otherwise. I'm not even trying to convince u that my opinions are right."
"Great, u win a gold star sticker for being a better debater." :shrug:
^Still want to say you have no issues about our different views, that you don't care and that you are open minded about my interpretations? Go right ahead. xd
Uh...seriously? You said I made a lot of effort and was book-smart. I told you none of that is needed.The self bio was because u made it sound like everybody must know their own shit before coming in, "u need to understand the basics of a character" etc.. I'm saying not everybody is like that.
It still doesn't explain why you decided to type a bio about yourself. Why do I need to understand the basics of you? :shrug:
I quote you in paragraphs, but do not reply to everything you say.
If you don't read every one of my sentences then how can you claim I "make sure I have a point against every sentence of yours"? Or that I even read them? =)
...By the way, the jab u tried to make in this sentence? "You made what I thought was a extremely stupid claim about Shino." If you thought these petty words was going to work, think again.
Oh, so you did read that. What a bummer. I was hoping it was one of the sentences of mine you wouldn't read.
I bid you farewell with a tiny bit of advice. Next time you say something like "I have better things to do" or "I'm not taking this seriously" show that this is your true thinking by actually leaving the thread. As opposed to coming back and once again repeating yourself. Good day. =)
Sarutobi Sensei
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You have further proved my point that u r defensive.Your posts tell me that you have issues about our different views, that you do care and that you are not open minded about my interpretations. Nor did you "hand the debate victory" to me.
"Gee, defensive, ain't u?"
"Yeah.. I don't even take this thread seriously"
"You are clearly more book-smart about this and u put in more effort to make ur points"
"You want to be right and u think I'm wrong, that's cool. You win."
"I dont care if people look at them differently. That's the difference between us."
"I have bigger things to worry about than being serious about this, I hope the same goes for you because really, its cartoon we r talking about"
"That's it. U think otherwise. I'm not even trying to convince u that my opinions are right."
"Great, u win a gold star sticker for being a better debater." :shrug:
^Still want to say you have no issues about our different views, that you don't care and that you are open minded about my interpretations? Go right ahead. xd
Uh...seriously? You said I made a lot of effort and was book-smart. I told you none of that is needed.
It still doesn't explain why you decided to type a bio about yourself. Why do I need to understand the basics of you? :shrug:
I quote you in paragraphs, but do not reply to everything you say.
If you don't read every one of my sentences then how can you claim I "make sure I have a point against every sentence of yours"? Or that I even read them? =)
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Oh, so you did read that. What a bummer. I was hoping it was one of the sentences of mine you wouldn't read.
I bid you farewell with a tiny bit of advice. Next time you say something like "I have better things to do" or "I'm not taking this seriously" show that this is your true thinking by actually leaving the thread. As opposed to coming back and once again repeating yourself. Good day. =)
I'm still free to come to the BattleDome and post my opinions, I'll just have to watch out for the likes of you.