Shino Can Potentially Defeat Sasori !

[deidara senpai]

He doesn't beat sasori and by no way means is even close to being stronger then him

But shino can give sasori a tough time the only thing is iron sand that's shinos one big problem plus poison the bogs can eat the chakra strings so 100 puppets won't even work but iron sand would and human puppet form (not the 100 puppets) would be shinos downside

Sasori wins with at least mid high diff possibly higher though I commend you for explaining why this match would actually be close

 

[Kaede]

You should click on the link in my sig.I made a thread about EMS Sasuke > Edo Madara.

It's my favorite thread. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Wasnt really trying to argue or debate against you but merely giving my 2 cents. But anyways regarding the flame flowers their purpose isnt to totally stop the bugs but slow them down to the point where he can comfortably summon his 3rd kazekage puppet which I might ad takes a mere second to pull out[

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]. Actually when we take into factor of the time duration it takes for sasori to pull out the 3rd kazekage puppet the flame flowers worst case scenario won't even be necessary. The bugs can go in close range but than again they first have come within radius of sasori which means they are prone to the flames.

Keep in mind sasori can also utilize his iron chain[

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] as a way to not only get the height distance between him and the bugs but also as a means to use his flight mode now to launch missiles of iron sand at shino. So keep in mind the bugs will not easily get sasori when he has multiple ways of getting away from them via iron chain and going mid flight.

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Except I always stated ways for him to get enough distance away from the bugs to summon the 3rd kazekage puppet via his iron chain. Once the scroll comes out the 3rd kazekage is immediately released. You keep bringing up the bugs eating the chakra strings and surrounding sasori but your not even taking iron sand int consideration regarding it's defensive capabilities due to its shape manipulation. Sasori can easily form a iron dome of sand around himself and the 3rd kazekage puppet similar to what gaara did against Deidara[

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]. Before you say the bugs can mix into the iron sand I won't deny it is indeed probable but than again the iron sand is stated by

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. If anything it's probable that the bugs can be effected.

Was merely defending my thread *_* If Sasori is going to summon his 3rd Kazekage puppet in tandem with the flamethrower, that would only mean one less flamethrower; then more then half of the bugs will be able to navigate around. Which, again, the flamethrower doesn't work best close range. Regarding the iron whip; I don't see how you quite possibly believe that will buy Sasori any time. All he is doing is lifting himself up a few yards off the ground... the bugs will simply follow him up. Bringing this up is completely futile.

Now, regarding everything concerning the iron sand; you're not taking into consideration of the time it takes for Sasori to bring this out [

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] and again to create larger objects [

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] Surely you can't possibly believe that Sasori has enough time to summon the 3rd Kazekage, bring out all the Iron Sand, manipulate it, then use it to attack the bugs or defend Sasori. He really isn't going to be allowed that amount of time. The insects will cut off the chakra strings and jam Sasori's joints long before this and I hope that is now clear to you.

And btw, the destruction bugs, or Kikaichu, seem to be immune to poison [

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I Glanced over your shit U_U Although you should of responded regardless as i proved it doesn't matter if they can or not..Not to mention i read it after i posted and you proved a pitiful attempt at a strategy

*sigh* How did i know you would say this

That whole joints clogged thing is quite dumb, Shino has no idea he is a human puppet Not to mention he still needs time to have his bugs infiltrate a body which he accomplished via a distraction against Zaku, which he doesn't have here

One last thing...not seeing how "My bugs were reacting to his chakra" = They can sense chakra

His quote after that merely proves they can follow movement quite well U_U

Hiruko Pretty much one shots regardless of what you have too say Shino is not avoiding this and His bugs are not restricting his movements fast enough to negate it

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Does this look like more of a human or puppet to you? Whether Shino figuring out Sasori isn't human or not, shouldn't even be in question.

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His mastery with hijitsu has molded him into more of a medium-long range fighter, rather then a close-medium range fighter back in part one. With that being said, if he keeps his distance, it'll be much easier to analyze Hirukos attack and defend accordingly. From long range, the senbon barrages will undoubtedly lose momentum, allowing Shino more time to dodge or shield himself with the insects. In the event that he does indeed get scratched and poisoned, the bugs inside of him (which he can now freely command) are immune to poison, and will

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while the rest of them can be deployed to stop Sasori, by means I have already stated within the OP.

Plus, Shino likes to use bug feints [

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] which will allow him to avoid Hirukos senbon attacks.

Anyways, your being very ignorant and hostile in your replies to me. This isn't a organized debate that will be judged. So there is no need to come at my neck. We can debate this in a friendly manner, where I'll feel more inclined in replying to your entire post or we won't debate at all. That simple.

Forbidden technique.

Im assuming since you havent countered my post.. You admit defeat? *_*

Done lost your marbles cuz..

I agree with the 'don't read' bit.Are people too lazy or incapable of reading anything over 3 sentences????

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Yea I feel a big post coming up. I see his name on the bottom of user in this thread. This post going to be big! baby baby

Nah, I'm just incredibly slow and easily distracted which even slows down the process of my rebuttals. Hopefully I didn't dissapoint since you were expecting something big lol

I could tell. Since im used to making "Establishing why" threads, I could tell your mission wasn't to say that Shino is the superior Shinobi.

Im doing Kisame > Sasori first. I obligated myself to that before I decided on the Deidara thread.

Thank God a few people got my intentions with this thread. And alright, sounds good.

well thought out thread.

ive wanted to make shino threads but to lazy to do research

his new bugs are op af

And current shino just might beat sasori although it wont be a cake walk

Appreciate it! And agreed

He doesn't beat sasori and by no way means is even close to being stronger then him

But shino can give sasori a tough time the only thing is iron sand that's shinos one big problem plus poison the bogs can eat the chakra strings so 100 puppets won't even work but iron sand would and human puppet form (not the 100 puppets) would be shinos downside

Sasori wins with at least mid high diff possibly higher though I commend you for explaining why this match would actually be close

The point was, Shino defeats Sasori by not allowing him to utilize the 3rd Kazekage or 100 puppets. Clearly he'd lose if that would ever happen.

 

[Prince Charles]

Was merely defending my thread If Sasori is going to summon his 3rd Kazekage puppet in tandem with the flamethrower, that would only mean one less flamethrower; then more then half of the bugs will be able to navigate around. Which, again, the flamethrower doesn't work best close range. Regarding the iron whip; I don't see how you quite possibly believe that will buy Sasori any time. All he is doing is lifting himself up a few yards off the ground... the bugs will simply follow him up. Bringing this up is completely futile.

Their is no need to use a combination with the flame thrower and 3rd kazekage puppet. As I said the use of the flame thrower would be used as a method to buy a means of time to execute the 3rd kazekage puppet which as I proved effortlessly took less than 3 seconds. Regarding the iron chain Idk if your not getting it or underestimating it. No doubt while sasori is on the surface the bugs go straight at him or surround him from all corner to restrict his movements but that is what the iron chain is for.

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We already saw how long the iron chain can extend which I might add is pretty damn long. Keeping that in mind the bugs will have a greater task of catching sasori in the air while his wind bill blades increase his speed[

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]. The 3rd kazekage puppet will be out in no time Tbh. Once the iron sand is out sasori has multiple of killing shino while effortlessly.

Now, regarding everything concerning the iron sand; you're not taking into consideration of the time it takes for Sasori to bring this out [

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] and again to create larger objects [

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] Surely you can't possibly believe that Sasori has enough time to summon the 3rd Kazekage, bring out all the Iron Sand, manipulate it, then use it to attack the bugs or defend Sasori. He really isn't going to be allowed that amount of time. The insects will cut off the chakra strings and jam Sasori's joints long before this and I hope that is now clear to you.

And btw, the destruction bugs, or Kikaichu, seem to be immune to poison [

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Regarding the kikaichu seeming to be immune to poison I won't deny is most probable but that was simply poison gas. Sasori's poison is of much more higher quality so it's questionable if the bugs would be capable of sucking out all the poison or not get effected by it.

Yeah I wont lie you have a point regarding the iron sand time duration of how it comes out but then again he can also use pre existing sand[

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]. So having to come up with new sand won't be as troublesome but I do agree it will be a problem. Also regarding his magnetism I see no reason why he can't simply form a object such as though iron needles and continuously manipulate them to go after shino with the use of his magnetism.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Shino immune to all poison?

Is this going to be another argument as people claim for Sasuke and Orochimaru, too?

 

[Boston Rob]

Oh really....?

 

[Zexion~]

Was merely defending my thread *_* If Sasori is going to summon his 3rd Kazekage puppet in tandem with the flamethrower, that would only mean one less flamethrower; then more then half of the bugs will be able to navigate around. Which, again, the flamethrower doesn't work best close range. Regarding the iron whip; I don't see how you quite possibly believe that will buy Sasori any time. All he is doing is lifting himself up a few yards off the ground... the bugs will simply follow him up. Bringing this up is completely futile.

Now, regarding everything concerning the iron sand; you're not taking into consideration of the time it takes for Sasori to bring this out [

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] and again to create larger objects [

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] Surely you can't possibly believe that Sasori has enough time to summon the 3rd Kazekage, bring out all the Iron Sand, manipulate it, then use it to attack the bugs or defend Sasori. He really isn't going to be allowed that amount of time. The insects will cut off the chakra strings and jam Sasori's joints long before this and I hope that is now clear to you.

And btw, the destruction bugs, or Kikaichu, seem to be immune to poison [

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Does this look like more of a human or puppet to you? Whether Shino figuring out Sasori isn't human or not, shouldn't even be in question.

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His mastery with hijitsu has molded him into more of a medium-long range fighter, rather then a close-medium range fighter back in part one. With that being said, if he keeps his distance, it'll be much easier to analyze Hirukos attack and defend accordingly. From long range, the senbon barrages will undoubtedly lose momentum, allowing Shino more time to dodge or shield himself with the insects. In the event that he does indeed get scratched and poisoned, the bugs inside of him (which he can now freely command) are immune to poison, and will

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while the rest of them can be deployed to stop Sasori, by means I have already stated within the OP.

Plus, Shino likes to use bug feints [

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] which will allow him to avoid Hirukos senbon attacks.

Anyways, your being very ignorant and hostile in your replies to me. This isn't a organized debate that will be judged. So there is no need to come at my neck. We can debate this in a friendly manner, where I'll feel more inclined in replying to your entire post or we won't debate at all. That simple.



Done lost your marbles cuz..



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Nah, I'm just incredibly slow and easily distracted which even slows down the process of my rebuttals. Hopefully I didn't dissapoint since you were expecting something big lol



Thank God a few people got my intentions with this thread. And alright, sounds good.



Appreciate it! And agreed



The point was, Shino defeats Sasori by not allowing him to utilize the 3rd Kazekage or 100 puppets. Clearly he'd lose if that would ever happen.

Why so sensitive >.> Lol i assure you i don't mean anything i say that involves insults ..

Anyway's your counter to the poison is ext. far fetched your acting like his bugs can get into Shino's blood stream and remove the poison :| Which i doubt they can, second Sasori obv keeps his cloak on So Shino does not know he is a human puppet, and when they surround him in that sphere i see no reason why the rotating blades and flame thrower can not toast the bugs..their speed>>The bugs which take time to inflitrate, by your logic they can invade anyone instantly (threw nose and ears) and is a instant GG ..but that is not the case, it takes time and Shino's input for them too do so, Also in the time it takes for Shino to remove the poison (which again is Ext. Doubtful) He gets hit with another blast of senbon or wrecked with hiruko's tail ...

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Their is no need to use a combination with the flame thrower and 3rd kazekage puppet. As I said the use of the flame thrower would be used as a method to buy a means of time to execute the 3rd kazekage puppet which as I proved effortlessly took less than 3 seconds. Regarding the iron chain Idk if your not getting it or underestimating it. No doubt while sasori is on the surface the bugs go straight at him or surround him from all corner to restrict his movements but that is what the iron chain is for.

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We already saw how long the iron chain can extend which I might add is pretty damn long. Keeping that in mind the bugs will have a greater task of catching sasori in the air while his wind bill blades increase his speed[

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]. The 3rd kazekage puppet will be out in no time Tbh. Once the iron sand is out sasori has multiple of killing shino while effortlessly.

Okay and that's perfectly fine. Sasori can go ahead and use a flamethrower to buy him time. Just understand that Shino is an expert tactician. While Sasori is busy with bugs swarming him, Shino can send a another platoon of insects to surprise attack Sasori from behind [

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] Regarding the chain; again... not quite sure how this is going to save Sasori from the insects. They will instantly follow Sasori as he escalates into the air..

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Even if he manages to somehow escape the swarm, Shino can simply command the insects to spread out again [

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] which Kakashi noted to be impossible to avoid. This'll definitely allow the insects to progressively get into Sasori's joints, making him progressively immobile until the point he can no longer move.

Regarding the kikaichu seeming to be immune to poison I won't deny is most probable but that was simply poison gas. Sasori's poison is of much more higher quality so it's questionable if the bugs would be capable of sucking out all the poison or not get effected by it.

Yeah I wont lie you have a point regarding the iron sand time duration of how it comes out but then again he can also use pre existing sand[

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]. So having to come up with new sand won't be as troublesome but I do agree it will be a problem. Also regarding his magnetism I see no reason why he can't simply form a object such as though iron needles and continuously manipulate them to go after shino with the use of his magnetism.

Indeed, the insects being able to withstand Sasoris poison is something neither of us can prove or disprove, but it's not like the bulk of his insects are going to come in contact with poison, which doesn't make a huge factor if they can or not. And you understand that isn't pre-existing sand right? That's the same iron sand he created prior to using sand hail [

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], he's just simply reusing it. Not quite surely exactly what you meant with that last part... He still needs to get out the 3rd Kazekage puppet, get out the iron sand, and manipulate it into little needles. He simply won't be able to..

Shino immune to all poison?

Is this going to be another argument as people claim for Sasuke and Orochimaru, too?

Didn't say that. It's just that, Shibi didn't seem all that worried by what type of poison was inside of Shino. He seemed pretty confident in them removing the poison regardless. But again, it's something neither of us can prove or disprove whether they would be immune to Sasoris poison.

Why so sensitive >.> Lol i assure you i don't mean anything i say that involves insults ..

Anyway's your counter to the poison is ext. far fetched your acting like his bugs can get into Shino's blood stream and remove the poison :| Which i doubt they can, second Sasori obv keeps his cloak on So Shino does not know he is a human puppet, and when they surround him in that sphere i see no reason why the rotating blades and flame thrower can not toast the bugs..their speed>>The bugs which take time to inflitrate, by your logic they can invade anyone instantly (threw nose and ears) and is a instant GG ..but that is not the case, it takes time and Shino's input for them too do so, Also in the time it takes for Shino to remove the poison (which again is Ext. Doubtful) He gets hit with another blast of senbon or wrecked with hiruko's tail ...

No, it's just that your being rather ignorant while throwing out insults, since you didn't even bother to read.

I don't see what you're doubting. Shibi's bugs removed the poison out of Shinos blood stream, so what's the difference? You always seem to doubt stuff you aren't able to refute. Well, when Sasori is planning on using his body, he can't keep himself hidden within the cloak. Once Sasori is caught within the Insect Sphere, he is pretty much done for. Not only do the insects absorb chakra, they restrain the opponent as well [

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] Even more so, when Sasori tries to use the blades on his back and Shino learns he is not human, and in fact a puppet, the insects will then proceed to jam his joints. A flamethrower will do nothing when the bugs are already swarmed on Sasori.

Shino is able to command them almost instantly. He commanded his bugs to fly,

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He commanded his bugs to spread, they

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He commanded his bugs to swarm, they swarmed [

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] So that's not even an issue. And no, Shino is able to command and control more then one platoon of insects at a time [

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] So while the bugs are removing the poison out of Shino (Assuming he got scratched) the other platoon can be sent to deal with Hiruko and stop him in his tracks.

 

[Prince Charles]

Eh.. I kind of lost the vibe to continue this FT. Nice debate though G.

 

[Zexion~]

Okay and that's perfectly fine. Sasori can go ahead and use a flamethrower to buy him time. Just understand that Shino is an expert tactician. While Sasori is busy with bugs swarming him, Shino can send a another platoon of insects to surprise attack Sasori from behind [

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] Regarding the chain; again... not quite sure how this is going to save Sasori from the insects. They will instantly follow Sasori as he escalates into the air..

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Even if he manages to somehow escape the swarm, Shino can simply command the insects to spread out again [

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] which Kakashi noted to be impossible to avoid. This'll definitely allow the insects to progressively get into Sasori's joints, making him progressively immobile until the point he can no longer move.




Indeed, the insects being able to withstand Sasoris poison is something neither of us can prove or disprove, but it's not like the bulk of his insects are going to come in contact with poison, which doesn't make a huge factor if they can or not. And you understand that isn't pre-existing sand right? That's the same iron sand he created prior to using sand hail [

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], he's just simply reusing it. Not quite surely exactly what you meant with that last part... He still needs to get out the 3rd Kazekage puppet, get out the iron sand, and manipulate it into little needles. He simply won't be able to..



Didn't say that. It's just that, Shibi didn't seem all that worried by what type of poison was inside of Shino. He seemed pretty confident in them removing the poison regardless. But again, it's something neither of us can prove or disprove whether they would be immune to Sasoris poison.



No, it's just that your being rather ignorant while throwing out insults, since you didn't even bother to read.

I don't see what you're doubting. Shibi's bugs removed the poison out of Shinos blood stream, so what's the difference? You always seem to doubt stuff you aren't able to refute. Well, when Sasori is planning on using his body, he can't keep himself hidden within the cloak. Once Sasori is caught within the Insect Sphere, he is pretty much done for. Not only do the insects absorb chakra, they restrain the opponent as well [

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] And read what the databook has to say about this technique [

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] Even more so, when Sasori tries to use the blades on his back and Shino learns he is not human, and in fact a puppet, the insects will then proceed to jam his joints. A flamethrower will do nothing when the bugs are already swarmed on Sasori.

Shino is able to command them almost instantly. He commanded his bugs to fly,

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He commanded his bugs to spread, they

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He commanded his bugs to swarm, they swarmed [

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] So that's not even an issue. And no, Shino is able to command and control more then one platoon of insects at a time [

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] So while the bugs are removing the poison out of Shino (Assuming he got scratched) the other platoon can be sent to deal with Hiruko and stop him in his tracks.

Because you always post assumptions that are really not worth refuting :| Things such as exploits that are basically just a well formatted assumption aka making it not really all that possible to refute,as your using shaky facts to begin with..

Anyway's the fact that you think all these bugs will swarm Sasori in the first place is beyond me obviously he would use the flame thrower before hand to annihilate them when they are still in a linear formation or a small group like they tend to be,

Also when was shibi able to remove poison :| Not that it matters as a group of senbon that large would kill or impare shino regardless, not sure why you think Shino being far away is doing anything as Hiruko can move, and Shino can't clone feint as this would happen almost instantly and without prep time he's not starting with a clone,

Also a swipe of hiruko's tail ends any and all bugs flying towards Hiruko,

This is kind of how the match would go

Shino sends a swarm of bugs towards Hiruko, He swats them down with his Sharp Tail, then proceeds to launch Senbon at Shino, not being able to avoid them as i doubt he would of moved back much as he tends to remain stationary when fighting he would be hit by the full brunt of them, and get poisoned whether or not the bugs can heal him or not this grants Hiruko enough time to finish shino easily ....

Again i'm not trying to be rude or anything, if it comes across like that, i just am trying to argue for Sasori here

Perhaps i threw in a little jab at ya but its only because i think you won't overreact about it lol Its nothing serious

 

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Lol...Realistically, this fight ends the moment Sasori uses this

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Time Skip Shino does not have the speed nor reflexes to handle the needles himself... Sakura, who was trained by Tsunade herself to never get hit , still needed the assistance of Chiyo to help outmaneuver the needle barrages

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Take note that both Shino and Sakura have the same 3 in speed, but as I said, Shino doesn't have nearly the level of dodging skill that Sakura has...

Excluding his obvious demise against Hiruko, lets assume for one moment that Shino somehow gets Sasori to leave hiruko.. it takes a few seconds to Summon the Third Kazekage, to which by then he should know that Kankuru is a member of the Aburame clan and uses bugs as his weapon..... He would then only need to completely cover himself and an adequate area with poison gas and stand in it..

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This stands as protection from both shino and his bugs from getting near him, while also giving him a safe spot to use ninjutsu...And of course, as you should know, Sasori would remain unaffected by the gas's effects, considering his lack of ......everything

From there the win is simple.. inside the Gas, start prepping Iron sand.. and finish the match off with a Satetsu Kaihō...
Of course, as I said, Shino won't even make it this far

 

[Zexion~]

Lol...Realistically, this fight ends the moment Sasori uses this

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Time Skip Shino does not have the speed nor reflexes to handle the needles himself... Sakura, who was trained by Tsunade herself to never get hit , still needed the assistance of Chiyo to help outmaneuver the needle barrages

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Take note that both Shino and Sakura have the same 3 in speed, but as I said, Shino doesn't have nearly the level of dodging skill that Sakura has...

Excluding his obvious demise against Hiruko, lets assume for one moment that Shino somehow gets Sasori to leave hiruko.. it takes a few seconds to Summon the Third Kazekage, to which by then he should know that Kankuru is a member of the Aburame clan and uses bugs as his weapon..... He would then only need to completely cover himself and an adequate area with poison gas and stand in it..

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This stands as protection from both shino and his bugs from getting near him, while also giving him a safe spot to use ninjutsu...
From there the win is simple.. inside the Gas, start prepping Iron sand.. and finish the match off with a Satetsu Kaihō...
Of course, as I said, Shino won't even make it this far

Thank you !!!

So i'm not the only one thinking this ends in one move lml

 

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Because you always post assumptions that are really not worth refuting :| Things such as exploits that are basically just a well formatted assumption aka making it not really all that possible to refute,as your using shaky facts to begin with..

Anyway's the fact that you think all these bugs will swarm Sasori in the first place is beyond me obviously he would use the flame thrower before hand to annihilate them when they are still in a linear formation or a small group like they tend to be,

Also when was shibi able to remove poison :| Not that it matters as a group of senbon that large would kill or impare shino regardless, not sure why you think Shino being far away is doing anything as Hiruko can move, and Shino can't clone feint as this would happen almost instantly and without prep time he's not starting with a clone,

Also a swipe of hiruko's tail ends any and all bugs flying towards Hiruko,

This is kind of how the match would go

Shino sends a swarm of bugs towards Hiruko, He swats them down with his Sharp Tail, then proceeds to launch Senbon at Shino, not being able to avoid them as i doubt he would of moved back much as he tends to remain stationary when fighting he would be hit by the full brunt of them, and get poisoned whether or not the bugs can heal him or not this grants Hiruko enough time to finish shino easily ....

Again i'm not trying to be rude or anything, if it comes across like that, i just am trying to argue for Sasori here

Perhaps i threw in a little jab at ya but its only because i think you won't overreact about it lol Its nothing serious

You're fronting. Badly. Not worth refuting? You mean exploits you were unable to refute, shown in our debate. It's funny how you were all for making Kisame exploits within the group, and even asked me if you could post some of them; but when they're used against you.. you get mad and call them bullshit, shaky, assumptions, not worth refuting, LOL. Ironically enough, you brought up Kakuzu going airborne which is in exploit in itself. Please just stop.

Yeah, not if he starts in his main body. Which he doesn't. Even still, Shino is an expert tactician. While Sasori is busy with bugs swarming him, Shino can send a another platoon of insects to surprise attack Sasori from behind [

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Are you unable to open scans or...? I've already provided the page where Shibi was shown to remove poison [

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] Hiruko can move? No kidding. Does he have ANY type of speed feats other then traveling at his top speed of 1 mph? Nope. So he can't close any gap between him, the insects, and Shino. A Senbon attack from long-range that first make it through a condensed shield of swarmed insects or two, causing it to loose momentum, doesn't give Shino enough time to clone feint? Despite feinting being able to be used with the smallest of windows? Shown when Gaara feinted within the split second that Lee stopped his body [

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] Shino surely has enough time, considering he has shown to incorporate it within his fight.

As far as Hiruko swatting away the bug swarm, that's a great tactic. By Hirukos tail swatting the insects, they would simply disperse all over the tail enabling it to move as the insects did to Kankuros puppet [

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Lol...Realistically, this fight ends the moment Sasori uses this

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Time Skip Shino does not have the speed nor reflexes to handle the needles himself... Sakura, who was trained by Tsunade herself to never get hit , still needed the assistance of Chiyo to help outmaneuver the needle barrages

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Take note that both Shino and Sakura have the same 3 in speed, but as I said, Shino doesn't have nearly the level of dodging skill that Sakura has...

Excluding his obvious demise against Hiruko, lets assume for one moment that Shino somehow gets Sasori to leave hiruko.. it takes a few seconds to Summon the Third Kazekage, to which by then he should know that Kankuru is a member of the Aburame clan and uses bugs as his weapon..... He would then only need to completely cover himself and an adequate area with poison gas and stand in it..

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This stands as protection from both shino and his bugs from getting near him, while also giving him a safe spot to use ninjutsu...And of course, as you should know, Sasori would remain unaffected by the gas's effects, considering his lack of ......everything

From there the win is simple.. inside the Gas, start prepping Iron sand.. and finish the match off with a Satetsu Kaihō...
Of course, as I said, Shino won't even make it this far

First of all, you're not taking a lot of factors into consideration here. Sakura and Chiyo were charging towards Hiruko [

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. It would be quite the contrary in Shinos case, as he'd lengthen the distance to a long range, given his fighting style. So these two scenarios shouldn't even be comparable. Furthermore, Shino may not have Sakuras dodging skills, but he is an analytical genius. By keeping a long-range distance away from Hiruko, it'll allow him more time to read the attack and counter accordingly. That being; using the bugs as a shield to slow down the momentum of the senbon, and clone feinting.

If we were to assume Sasori has knowledge on the Aburame, to point where he understands the insects are able to detect chakra and immediately follow his movements (which he doesn't seem to have such knowledge [

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]) and decides to use this tactic in order to buy him time to prep the Iron Sand; The insects have been shown to be able to deal with poison [

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] And Shibi, as well as Shino, carry the same type of insects [

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] So I don't believe the poison gas will serve as a reliable shield for Sasori. Not to mention, this poison gas requires a few procedures.. [

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[~Puppet Master~]

Sorry, but this thread is a bit ridiculous. Sasori would take this low-mid diff for obvious reasons.

You stated in the OP that Shino can just disable Hiruko with his bugs, and you expect Sasori to be stationary? He can easily use his needle barrage or his needle arm, and don't even think about those bugs blocking them. Shino, as has been stated, has no dodging feats, and since one scratch is enough. Hell, even Hiruko's tail will be able to penetrate the bugs and hit him, and clone feints? Not a very good counter, Sasori is a mass murderer after all and has plenty of battle experience.

Should Shino still be able to disable Hiruko, Sasori's flamethrowers will tear Shino's hopes and dreams apart

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Sorry, but this thread is a bit ridiculous. Sasori would take this low-mid diff for obvious reasons.

You stated in the OP that Shino can just disable Hiruko with his bugs, and you expect Sasori to be stationary? He can easily use his needle barrage or his needle arm, and don't even think about those bugs blocking them. Shino, as has been stated, has no dodging feats, and since one scratch is enough. Hell, even Hiruko's tail will be able to penetrate the bugs and hit him, and clone feints? Not a very good counter, Sasori is a mass murderer after all and has plenty of battle experience.

Should Shino still be able to disable Hiruko, Sasori's flamethrowers will tear Shino's hopes and dreams apart

For the most part, I'm just going to copy and paste my counters to people who pretty much stated the same thing; as it's my fault I didn't put very much effort in covering how Shino avoids Hirukos senbon.

It seems you are under the assumption that Shino will approach Hiruko in close range, which would make no sense for Shino to do. He is a medium-long range fighter and Hiruko does't possess any speed feat to try and close the gap between them. So a senbon barrage from long range isn't likely to end Shino. He is a analytical genius, so he would be able to analyze the attack and counter accordingly, given the distance. From long range, the senbon barrages will undoubtedly lose momentum, especially when clashing with a dense insect swarm, allowing Shino more time to dodge or shield himself with more insects. In the event that he does indeed get scratched and poisoned, the bugs inside of him (which he can now freely command) are immune to poison, and will

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while the rest of them can be deployed to stop Hiruko, by means I have already stated within the OP. Hirukos tail, or any part of him for that matter, coming in contact with a swarm of insects will result in it's joints being jammed. Don't see why clone feints isn't a good counter (assuming the battlefield contains some form of cover, such as trees, rocks, bushes, etc.) Kakuzu who has much more battle experience then Sasori got feinted not once, but twice by Naruto.

Not quite.. the bugs will follow Sasori instantly after he ejects (which isn't that far away) So even if Sasori resorts in using the flamethrower it won't kill the bulk of them as his flamethrower isn't meant for something that can spread around him in a 360 angle from close range. In addition, Shino is an expert tactician. While Sasori is busy with bugs swarming him, Shino can send a another platoon of insects to surprise attack Sasori from behind [

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[~Puppet Master~]

For the most part, I'm just going to copy and paste my counters to people who pretty much stated the same thing; as it's my fault I didn't put very much effort in covering how Shino avoids Hirukos senbon.

It seems you are under the assumption that Shino will approach Hiruko in close range, which would make no sense for Shino to do. He is a medium-long range fighter and Hiruko does't possess any speed feat to try and close the gap between them. So a senbon barrage from long range isn't likely to end Shino. He is a analytical genius, so he would be able to analyze the attack and counter accordingly, given the distance. From long range, the senbon barrages will undoubtedly lose momentum, especially when clashing with a dense insect swarm, allowing Shino more time to dodge or shield himself with more insects. In the event that he does indeed get scratched and poisoned, the bugs inside of him (which he can now freely command) are immune to poison, and will

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while the rest of them can be deployed to stop Hiruko, by means I have already stated within the OP. Hirukos tail, or any part of him for that matter, coming in contact with a swarm of insects will result in it's joints being jammed. Don't see why clone feints isn't a good counter (assuming the battlefield contains some form of cover, such as trees, rocks, bushes, etc.) Kakuzu who has much more battle experience then Sasori got feinted not once, but twice by Naruto.

Not quite.. the bugs will follow Sasori instantly after he ejects (which isn't that far away) So even if Sasori resorts in using the flamethrower it won't kill the bulk of them as his flamethrower isn't meant for something that can spread around him in a 360 angle from close range. In addition, Shino is an expert tactician. While Sasori is busy with bugs swarming him, Shino can send a another platoon of insects to surprise attack Sasori from behind [

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You didn't really counter the launched arm, you stated Hiruko can't cover the distance between them while the rocket arm is the perfect counter. And since you assume Shino has full intel on Sasori, which is pretty ridiculous, he dodges it? No. Like I said before, Shino doesn't have dodging feats, and can I see a manga scan where his bugs are used to block attacks? I don't think they're armored enough. Also, does Shino even know Hiruko is a puppet? At first sight, it looks like a normal human being, albeit a bit deformed. And since Sasori probably won't hesitate, Shino won't be able to counter for all these attacks, which require the victim to know about the puppet user's taste.

And to counter removing the poison, Shino doesn't know that the attacks are poisoned, let me just make that clear. He won't even notice until his body drops to the ground, and Sasori won't hesitate to finish him off.

And I kinda expected you to mention Kakuzu XD But really? Kakuzu got tricked, therefore Sasori will get tricked? How about no?

And obviously, after ejecting, Sasori would aim for Shino since he most likely has a bit of information on their clan ( seeing he even knew how ROOT worked ), once Shino's hopes and dreams are shattered, the bugs won't really be a problem, and we don't even know whether they'd still try to kill Sasori.

And I apologize for not adding manga scans, but since I'm on my phone and you've probably seen plenty of Sasori manga scans, I didn't add them.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Stop stating Sasori would win for obvious reasons. Even though I share the sentiment, any debater worth his salt would take the thread seriously and aim to discredit it.

 

[Zexion~]

You're fronting. Badly. Not worth refuting? You mean exploits you were unable to refute, shown in our debate. It's funny how you were all for making Kisame exploits within the group, and even asked me if you could post some of them; but when they're used against you.. you get mad and call them bullshit, shaky, assumptions, not worth refuting, LOL. Ironically enough, you brought up Kakuzu going airborne which is in exploit in itself. Please just stop.

Yeah, not if he starts in his main body. Which he doesn't. Even still, Shino is an expert tactician. While Sasori is busy with bugs swarming him, Shino can send a another platoon of insects to surprise attack Sasori from behind [

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Are you unable to open scans or...? I've already provided the page where Shibi was shown to remove poison [

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] Hiruko can move? No kidding. Does he have ANY type of speed feats other then traveling at his top speed of 1 mph? Nope. So he can't close any gap between him, the insects, and Shino. A Senbon attack from long-range that first make it through a condensed shield of swarmed insects or two, causing it to loose momentum, doesn't give Shino enough time to clone feint? Despite feinting being able to be used with the smallest of windows? Shown when Gaara feinted within the split second that Lee stopped his body [

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] Shino surely has enough time, considering he has shown to incorporate it within his fight.

As far as Hiruko swatting away the bug swarm, that's a great tactic. By Hirukos tail swatting the insects, they would simply disperse all over the tail enabling it to move as the insects did to Kankuros puppet [

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] when it slashed the bug clone.






First of all, you're not taking a lot of factors into consideration here. Sakura and Chiyo were charging towards Hiruko [

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] when he attacked with the senbon. Which closed in the distance between them and Hiruko, in which Sakura was only

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. It would be quite the contrary in Shinos case, as he'd lengthen the distance to a long range, given his fighting style. So these two scenarios shouldn't even be comparable. Furthermore, Shino may not have Sakuras dodging skills, but he is an analytical genius. By keeping a long-range distance away from Hiruko, it'll allow him more time to read the attack and counter accordingly. That being; using the bugs as a shield to slow down the momentum of the senbon, and clone feinting.

If we were to assume Sasori has knowledge on the Aburame, to point where he understands the insects are able to detect chakra and immediately follow his movements (which he doesn't seem to have such knowledge [

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]) and decides to use this tactic in order to buy him time to prep the Iron Sand; The insects have been shown to be able to deal with poison [

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] And Shibi, as well as Shino, carry the same type of insects [

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]-[

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] So I don't believe the poison gas will serve as a reliable shield for Sasori. Not to mention, this poison gas requires a few procedures.. [

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] Which is unlikely to happen.

Theirs nothing wrong with posting and creating exploits but using them as reasons as to why shinobi may be more superior to the others? Laughable

Kakuzu can fly is much more basic and simple then the assumptions of your own creation

Kakuzu's hearts can fly, Kakuzu can merge with his hearts, Kakuzu partially merges with his hearts and then flies :|

I'm sorry but sometimes exploits are just big assumptions such as some of the Kisame and Kakuzu ones, U_U

Again why are you suggesting that Shino will merely catch Sasori in the bugs right away :| Their not all that hard to avoid, and people are giving clear ways on how he gets one shotted and your refuting by saying "Shino would be too far away" ..When really, i see no reason why shino would keep his distance just becasue he fought a puppet master before, in fact he most likely would think that Puppet Masters are weak in CQC such as he did against Kankuro and go even CLOSER to Hiruko,

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[Tangerine]

since you assume Shino has full intel on Sasori, which is pretty ridiculous, he dodges it? No.

Shino is a tactical genius who has been shown to quickly analyse his opponent's strengths and just as quickly come with a counter.
Not to mention that Shino has fought a Puppeteer before and would know to expect some sort of weapon. Be it a dagger or a gas bomb.

Shino doesn't have dodging feats

Not only does he actually

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, he was shown to have quick reaction to avoid an unexpected poisonous dagger at near close-range, which gives plausibly that he can dodge Sasori's senbon barrage even if he isn't expecting it.
He also has the backup of

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to a clone

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and can I see a manga scan where his bugs are used to block attacks?

First panel you can see the dagger stuck in the Shino

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The momentum of both daggers was still halted, despite going at

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Also, does Shino even know Hiruko is a puppet? At first sight, it looks like a normal human being, albeit a bit deformed.

It wouldn't matter either way. Humans have joints, too and the insects are designed to restrict movement. Either clumps of insects are going to restrict

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Hiruko.

And since Sasori probably won't hesitate, Shino won't be able to counter for all these attacks, which require the victim to know about the puppet user's taste.

Versus Kankuro Shino was able to avoid and counter every unexpected attack, minus one: the poison gas.
Kankuro tried to stab Shino with a poison-tipped dagger, Shino dodged it.
Kankuro quickly follows up with a few close-range daggers, Shino counters with a clone.
Karasu catches Shino off guard, but swipes through Shino's insect clones.
Kankuro never hesitated, his attacks were unexpected and Shino avoided all but one, which could have failed had Shino been exhaling instead.

And to counter removing the poison, Shino doesn't know that the attacks are poisoned, let me just make that clear. He won't even notice until his body drops to the ground, and Sasori won't hesitate to finish him off.

He knew he was hit by a poison gas. He knew the dagger was poisoned when it hit a tree and the poison started oozing out. If he doesn't, assuming they can remove the poison the insects should know their host is poisoned.
And that's assuming he gets poisoned in the first place, as Forbidden Technique has already counted the possibility of Shino being unable to avoid the senbon barrage.

It's as if you've forgotten or ignoring that Shino has fought a Puppeteer. He'll be expecting daggers, gas and all other nasty tricks. Again, minus one, Shino avoided and countered all unexpected attacks.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Theirs nothing wrong with posting and creating exploits but using them as reasons as to why shinobi may be more superior to the others? Laughable

Kakuzu can fly is much more basic and simple then the assumptions of your own creation

Kakuzu's hearts can fly, Kakuzu can merge with his hearts, Kakuzu partially merges with his hearts and then flies :|

I'm sorry but sometimes exploits are just big assumptions such as some of the Kisame and Kakuzu ones, U_U

Again why are you suggesting that Shino will merely catch Sasori in the bugs right away :| Their not all that hard to avoid, and people are giving clear ways on how he gets one shotted and your refuting by saying "Shino would be too far away" ..When really, i see no reason why shino would keep his distance just becasue he fought a puppet master before, in fact he most likely would think that Puppet Masters are weak in CQC such as he did against Kankuro and go even CLOSER to Hiruko,

Hiruko one shots

Then that completely defeats the purpose of making them, so you make absolutely no sense whats so ever. You think they are made for the sole purpose to post them and get peoples opinions on it? Clearly not. They are created to use in debates, to strengthen your arguments, which worked like a charm in our debate; seeing as you couldn't refute them to save your life *_* So you can try to "discredit" them as much as you like. Anyways, if you want to discuss this matter further, hit me on the VM's, as this is completely irrelevant to the debate at hand.

The bugs aren't all that hard to avoid? That's interesting.

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Same ol Zexion. Stating your baseless opinions over the manga. Then you're stating Hiruko, who has little to no mobility will avoid the insects, which makes your statement even more laughable.

He only got near Kankuro because he needed to plant a female bug on him [

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] something he no longer needs to do. Shino perfected his Hijutsu, and thus has perfect control over his bugs. He can fight from much farther range now.

You didn't really counter the launched arm, you stated Hiruko can't cover the distance between them while the rocket arm is the perfect counter. And since you assume Shino has full intel on Sasori, which is pretty ridiculous, he dodges it? No. Like I said before, Shino doesn't have dodging feats, and can I see a manga scan where his bugs are used to block attacks? I don't think they're armored enough. Also, does Shino even know Hiruko is a puppet? At first sight, it looks like a normal human being, albeit a bit deformed. And since Sasori probably won't hesitate, Shino won't be able to counter for all these attacks, which require the victim to know about the puppet user's taste.

And to counter removing the poison, Shino doesn't know that the attacks are poisoned, let me just make that clear. He won't even notice until his body drops to the ground, and Sasori won't hesitate to finish him off.

And I kinda expected you to mention Kakuzu XD But really? Kakuzu got tricked, therefore Sasori will get tricked? How about no?

And obviously, after ejecting, Sasori would aim for Shino since he most likely has a bit of information on their clan ( seeing he even knew how ROOT worked ), once Shino's hopes and dreams are shattered, the bugs won't really be a problem, and we don't even know whether they'd still try to kill Sasori.

And I apologize for not adding manga scans, but since I'm on my phone and you've probably seen plenty of Sasori manga scans, I didn't add them.

The rocket arm really doesn't make that much of a difference. Just like I told Owarij, don't compare Sasoris fight with Chiyo and Sakura to Shino. As Shinos fighting style is completely different from the two of them. While Sakura and Chiyo were charging towards Hiruko [

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] when he attacked with the senbon and rocket arm, Shino would be doing the contrary and keeping it a long-range fight. And Sasori doesn't resort in just firing this thing off the bat, which means it would most likely be running into a swarm of insects, which'll without a doubt stop it from getting near Shino, but possibly disarm it as well. I don't understand why you assume someone has to have full intel on Sasori to avoid his senbon barrages. Again, Shino being long-range, allows him more time to analyze and counter. No point in me reiterating what Tangerine has already covered, he does indeed have dodging feats; from point blank range at that. Now, in addition to what Tangerine said regarding the insects blocking attacks; Shino's bugs have shown to

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to the point where the air blast had no where to go, causing it to blow his arm off. Not to mention, the bugs crawled out his wind hole completely unscathed [[URL="http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/069/20]x[/URL]]. And I don't believe I have to pull up the scan where they clogged a puppet's joints, a feat shared with the iron sand. So they are pretty durable. And I don't believe it will take very long for Shino to realize that Hiruko isn't human, when it's spitting senbon out of it's mouth, shooting rockets out of it's arm, and with a metal scorpion tail.

There is nothing much I can add to what Tangerine said regarding the poison. According to the databook:

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Shino has perfected his hijutsu. He has strenghened his bond with the insects and communicates with them by being silent. So I don't see why being poisoned and unable to move won't allow him to command the bugs to remove it, if they don't take it upon themselves to remove it.

And why don't you state valid reasons why Sasori wouldn't be tricked, other then stating he simply wouldn't. Chiyo tricked Sasori by attaching her chakra strings to his tail and Sakura tricked him while playing dead to destroy the 3rd Kazekage. You have stated nothing that completely rules out the possibility of Shino clone feinting to avoid the tenbons. Furthermore, a giant insect swarm can greatly impair Sasoris line of sight, which strengthens the possibility of successfully clone feinting.

You stated Sasori would aim for Shino after he ejects, then somehow concluded that Shino has instantly been defeated? ...Lmao?