Shinju, Kaguya & Momoshiki — Were we wrong?

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Sasuke deducted that the threat was Momoshiki and Kinshiki, but he may be mistaking.

The guy that Boruto, an accademy student, killed shouldn't be that big of a threat to Kaguya.

How could white zetsu help Kaguya to defeat Momoshiki and Kinshiki?

The idea that the threat is not Momoshiki's arrival is growing.

He can't be mistaken, the story is over. Also, Momoshiki would have been a huge threat to Kaguya. Kaguya's main ability and main ace in combat is her immense chakra level. This ace wouldn't even matter against Momoshiki as his ace in battle is the ability to absorb and use the chakra of others. This is why the White Zetsu were created, as they also have this power. They were created to level out the field between the two, this single power alone made Momoshiki a threat, by using White Zetsu, they would be able to cancel out this and even out the fight, ensuring Kaguya's victory.

In most ways, Momoshiki is a huge threat to anyone who relies solely on chakra and not tactics. (Pure power, no brain in other words.) Kaguya being the prime example.

 

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so Kaguya is from outer space, so that means Hagoromo and hamura are mixed aliens, so that means Naruto, Sasuke, the senjus, Uzumaki, and uchiha are all aliens they are not complete humans, hmm that explains a lot, all their abnormal non human behaviours

what am interested in is that, the various shinjus, do they all give the same type of powers of different kinds as they are different trees?????

The current Uchiha and Senju aren't aliens, anymore atleast. Hagoromo and Hamura were half aliens, while their children (at least Hagoromo's) were human. As for the abilities of the Shinju, the Shinju possesses one ability, to drain chakra, nothing else. So if more do exist, then they all possess the same power.

 

[davidou]

He can't be mistaken, the story is over. Also, Momoshiki would have been a huge threat to Kaguya. Kaguya's main ability and main ace in combat is her immense chakra level. This ace wouldn't even matter against Momoshiki as his ace in battle is the ability to absorb and use the chakra of others. This is why the White Zetsu were created, as they also have this power. They were created to level out the field between the two, this single power alone made Momoshiki a threat, by using White Zetsu, they would be able to cancel out this and even out the fight, ensuring Kaguya's victory.

In most ways, Momoshiki is a huge threat to anyone who relies solely on chakra and not tactics. (Pure power, no brain in other words.) Kaguya being the prime example.

Momoshiki took a bit of time to partially absorb Naruto's chakra with his rinnegan, he stated that it was taking too long, so he would take a long time to absorb Kaguya's chakra only via his rinnegan.
Her space time portals, her ash bones technique, being free to use as much chakra as she wants (she doesn't need to save chakra for a future threat), she should one shot Momo, as Momo has been one shotted by a rasengan and a clone making a standard diversion...
How would Momo avoid this combo or a more advanced version of this combo?

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I still think that Kinshiki would solo thousands and thousands of White Zetsu given that Sasuke never touched Kinshiki when he was fighting alone against him, his taijutsu skills and sword mastery are strong.

 

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Momoshiki took a bit of time to partially absorb Naruto's chakra with his rinnegan, he stated that it was taking too long, so he would take a long time to absorb Kaguya's chakra only via his rinnegan.
Her space time portals, her ash bones technique, being free to use as much chakra as she wants (she doesn't need to save chakra for a future threat), she should one shot Momo, as Momo has been one shotted by a rasengan and a clone making a standard diversion...
How would Momo avoid this combo or a more advanced version of this combo?

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I still think that Kinshiki would solo thousands and thousands of White Zetsu given that Sasuke never touched Kinshiki when he was fighting alone against him, his taijutsu skills and sword mastery are strong.

Momoshiki would easily be forced to absorb Kinshiki right off the bat, or at least soon after. The reason he didn't against Naruto and Sasuke was that he saw them as no threat. Also, Momoshiki was using a long time to absorb Naruto's chakra as he was resisting and it was being absorb from the inside of his body. Had Momoshiki and Kaguya fought, then Kaguya couldn't use any chakra based attacks, meaning she would be severely limited in close combat, compared to Momoshiki who would be far superior at that point.

The question isn't how he would avoid it, the question is how he would get caught in it in the first place. The reason this tactic was used against Naruto and Sasuke was because there were no other option, it isn't a viable tactic in combat, had it been then she would have used it before. Portals can be avoided, as shown by Naruto. The only threat to Momoshiki would be All Killing Ash Bones, which can be avoided.

 

[davidou]

Momoshiki would easily be forced to absorb Kinshiki right off the bat, or at least soon after. The reason he didn't against Naruto and Sasuke was that he saw them as no threat. Also, Momoshiki was using a long time to absorb Naruto's chakra as he was resisting and it was being absorb from the inside of his body. Had Momoshiki and Kaguya fought, then Kaguya couldn't use any chakra based attacks, meaning she would be severely limited in close combat, compared to Momoshiki who would be far superior at that point.

The question isn't how he would avoid it, the question is how he would get caught in it in the first place. The reason this tactic was used against Naruto and Sasuke was because there were no other option, it isn't a viable tactic in combat, had it been then she would have used it before. Portals can be avoided, as shown by Naruto. The only threat to Momoshiki would be All Killing Ash Bones, which can be avoided.

The reason why she didn't use this combo before may be because she wanted their chakra before she realized that it would be too hard for her to harvest their chakra.

Do you remember Kimmimaro Kaguya's bones manipulation technique?
It's probable that Kaguya can use diiferent kinds of attacks with her ash bones technique.


I didn't want to prove that Kaguya>Momoshiki but I wanted to bring the idea because I FEEL like
Momo&Kin (defeated by Boruto (+Naruto+Sasuke))<Kaguya (defeated by team 7 (+Hagoromo+all bijuus+Obito's Kamui susano'o)), it's your opinion to believe that it can't be the case.
I find hard to justify the need of white zetsus to defeat Momo&Kin

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Amazing theory but I fear knowledge of the actual origin story folktale of the IRL Princess Kaguya is needed to fully appreciate the character and her birth.

 

[davidou]

Amazing theory but I fear knowledge of the actual origin story folktale of the IRL Princess Kaguya is needed to fully appreciate the character and her birth.

In that folktale, Kaguya was found by an old bamboo cutter in a shining bamboo tree, she came from the moon and she was beautifull, an emperor fell in love with her, like many other did before, but she decided to go back to the moon, bringing sadness on Earth (the emperor was sad, her adoptive parents were sad, she was sad...).On her travel back to the moon she was captured by a kami that took her appearance to try to put humanity in an endless dream.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

In that folktale, Kaguya was found by an old bamboo cutter in a shining bamboo tree, she came from the moon and she was beautifull, an emperor fell in love with her, like many other did before, but she decided to go back to the moon, bringing sadness on Earth (the emperor was sad, her adoptive parents were sad, she was sad...).On her travel back to the moon she was captured by a kami that took her appearance to try to put humanity in an endless dream.

Yeah I know, I watched the fantastic Ghibli adaptation, but i'm saying that the Japanese accept Kaguya more than we do because of the familiarity with that story. That's why Kaguya doesn't need as much explaining as to her backstory and motivations.

Also you NEED to keep that in mind when theorising about her origin.