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Shikkotsurin - the third sage mode - Crows mark the dragon's defeat
I would like to note that tsunade has had plenty of chances to use the sage mode if she did indeed have it plenty of times other then now that could of benefited her in a fight yet she never did.Second it is her Yin seal activation that allowed her to use the creation rebirth which as long as Tsunade has chakra it is impossible for her to die by any means, as such she gains a form of "immortality" throughout the duration of the technique.This is the reason she is not dead right now.I am pointing this out for the people who claim she is alive through some random sage mode that she never bothered to use before.
Now this is a thread that is not my own which actually provides examples and facts to provide a theory onto which the third sage mode might be.
The traits of crows / ravens
The Myth of Yatagarasu
The Relevance of the Tripedal Crow in Asia
How these link to the Shikkotsurin or Humid Bone Forest
Telltale clues in the Manga
Discussing the possibility of a Crow Mode
A. The traits of crows / ravens
1. Crows have a personality.
They are generally very peaceful birds and very intelligent. However, they also tend to be aggressive, playful and mocking. A crow is rarely forgotten once it sounds because of its harsh, powerful yet sweet tone.
2. Their Habitat.
Crows have originated in the tropical areas of the Old World, particularly Rainforests which have high humidity. Even today they still live primarily in forests where they eat basically anything.
3. Humidity and food.
Crows are scavengers and thus will eat anything. They are known for eating roadkill, rotten corpses, rotten food and they clean their food in water and humidity. They only eat flesh and leave the bones intact.
B. The Myth of Yatagarasu
1. Explanation of the term 'Yatagarasu'
Yatagarasu (kanji: 八咫烏) literally means "eight-span crow" or "eight-headed" crow. He is the guardian god of the sun and is generally depicted with three legs. Yatagarasu has various other appearances in other Asian countries, primarily in the "big three": China, Japan and Korea.
2. Japan.
Yatagarasu's role was small in the beginning, even though he was a deity. There are basically two steps of his legend:
- One is being a messenger / spy for the other Kami; Yatagarasu's appearance was regarded as an omen for either something really good or bad.
His permanent appearance was through the Koto Amatsukami, namely Takagi no Kami and Amaterasu who sent Yatagarasu as a savior to end Emperor Jimmu's war.
- The second step of his legend is that of a hero and savior. There are two myths known in the Kojiki and Nihon Shoki:
In the first one it's Amaterasu who is threatened by a terrible monster with great authority. The people were crying for a savior to come and slay the beast. And so, Yatagarasu came and slew the beast. Amaterasu's life was saved by her guardian, the crow Yatagarasu.
The second one involves a war again. Kamo Taketsunimi no Mikoto, the founder of the Kamo-Agatanushi clan, saved the people by turning into a great crow and thus ending the war. The Kamo Ataganushi, which still exist today in Japan, were called the descendants of that kami.
Yatagarasu is still worshipped today in many Japanese shrines.
3. Korea
In Korea, that crow is called Samjoko and is Korea's symbol of tremendous power, superior to both the dragon and the phoenix. In the Goguryeo period, the Korean kings used that crow as a symbol of power.
4. China.
The crow has three names in China: Sanzuwu (three-legged bird), Yangwu/Jinwu (golden crow). It's the guardian of the sun and symbolizes light.
C. The relevance of the Tripedal Crow in Asia
1. Japan
As a Kami, Yatagarasu holds a tremendous importance in the Japanese Shinto culture.
- Yatagarasu is the Emblem of both the Japanese Emperor and the National Football Team. Winners of the Emperor's Cup wear the Yatagarasu emblem.
- In Japan, Yatagarasu is considered a creed of courage and benevolence, seeing as Yatagarasu saved the Japanese people numerous times.
2. Korea
In Korea, the Samjoko is still considered a national emblem due to it's prestigeous power status. It symbolizes superiority, intelligence and millitary might.
3. China
The Sanzuwu was THE Emblem of the Chinese empire. It was everywhere: In the palace, on imperial garnments and there were even Twelve Medallions in the Imperial Palace; Sanzuwu is one of them.
When the Chinese empire met with the Japanese, Chinese ambassadors brought the Japanese a dead crow with three legs. It's also held that the Chinese used the Sanzuwu as a totem, similar to the Romans' SPQR.
So all in all, the Tripedal Crow is a symbol of power.
D. How all this links to Shikkotsurin = Crow's land
Shikkotsurin literally means 'Humid Bone Forest'. Let's break that term apart and apply what we have learned about crows so far:
Humid
The origin of crows is the Rainforest with high humidity. Crows wash their prey in water before eating it.
Bone
Crows are scavengers, eating corpses and decay. Of all flesh they eat, they leave bones behind.
Forest
The origin of crows is the forest. Even today, most crows and corvids live in forests and prey on insects and flesh.
E. Telltale clues in the Manga
Itachi.
- Itachi heavily links with crows, death and decay. Wherever he goes, death follows.
- He was a messenger/spy for Konoha; his primary reason for joining Akatsuki.
- In the databook, Itachi is regarded as a true hero for his sacrifice.
- Itachi was - and still is - an emblem of power and intelligence, similar to all the crows in the myth.
- He was guiding Naruto and now is guiding Sasuke in a way.
- Itachi was freed through a Jutsu called Koto Amatsukami. The same Koto Amatsukami in the myth that marked Yatagarasu's hero stage, ending many wars.
Sasuke
- Sasuke is not depicted as a hawk at all. Kishimoto depicts him as a Karasu Tengu, a crow demon.
- He used the vision of Karasu Bunshin in the Danzo fight.
- It is said that Sasuke will adapt Itachi's things once he is saved, inculding all his crow traits.
- The hawk seems to hold no general importance anymore, but the crow always had massive importance through Sasuke as well.
Susanoo
- Susanoo's current theme seems to be bones only, no flesh at all. In fact, it is Susanoo's true form before mastering the next stages.
F. Discussing the possibility of a Crow Mode
- The crow has massive mythological importance; it's perhaps the most important Kami after Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo.
- Three mythological places are said to exist in the Kojiki. In the Naruto manga they are the following:
-> Myobokuzan, the Toad Mountain - Naruto's SM
-> Ryuchido, the Dragon's Nest - Kabuto's SM
-> Shikkokutsurin, the forest that is (possibly) the den of the crows - Possible Tengu/Crow mode
- The Crow mode / Tengu mode might be the counterpart to the Sage Mode which is equally powerful. It is theorised that SM belongs to the Younger Son of Rikudou; Likewise, Crow mode belongs to the Elder Son.
- Tengu, particularly Karasu Tengu, in Japanese mythology are teachers of Ninjutsu, the human arts. Rikudou Sennin is regarded as the founder of Ninjutsu, marking the advent of Shinobi.
Since RS had two sons with two different natures, the means of gaining SM and the crow mode could be different:
-> SM relies on natural energy and a calm balance. You must have a suitable body.
-> Crow mode could rely on the purity of extreme emotions, mainly rage, righteousness and the desire to protect. the Elder Son inherited the eyes, so the key of gaining Crow mode could be through the eyes.
The Will of Koto Amatsukami made Kamo Taketsunimi no Mikoto a savior through turning to Yatagarasu. He was regarded a savior to this very day.
Itachi wanted Sasuke to be a savior and a hero known to all.
- Both Itachi and Sasuke are depicted as crows; the former more than the latter. Sasuke is the image of Karasu Tengu while Itachi is the image of Yatagarasu.
- Crows mark the dragon's defeat. Taketsunimi's Yatagarasu turning marked his victory. Itachi could unlock that crow mode through extreme distress done by Kabuto to Sasuke, thus slaying the dragon brutally as vengeance.
Sasuke could unlock it when his hatred against Konoha peaks ultimately.
Not my thread although some interesting facts and thorough speculation has caught my eye and made feel like i just had to share here on naruto base.
I would like to note that tsunade has had plenty of chances to use the sage mode if she did indeed have it plenty of times other then now that could of benefited her in a fight yet she never did.Second it is her Yin seal activation that allowed her to use the creation rebirth which as long as Tsunade has chakra it is impossible for her to die by any means, as such she gains a form of "immortality" throughout the duration of the technique.This is the reason she is not dead right now.I am pointing this out for the people who claim she is alive through some random sage mode that she never bothered to use before.
Now this is a thread that is not my own which actually provides examples and facts to provide a theory onto which the third sage mode might be.
The traits of crows / ravens
The Myth of Yatagarasu
The Relevance of the Tripedal Crow in Asia
How these link to the Shikkotsurin or Humid Bone Forest
Telltale clues in the Manga
Discussing the possibility of a Crow Mode
A. The traits of crows / ravens
1. Crows have a personality.
They are generally very peaceful birds and very intelligent. However, they also tend to be aggressive, playful and mocking. A crow is rarely forgotten once it sounds because of its harsh, powerful yet sweet tone.
2. Their Habitat.
Crows have originated in the tropical areas of the Old World, particularly Rainforests which have high humidity. Even today they still live primarily in forests where they eat basically anything.
3. Humidity and food.
Crows are scavengers and thus will eat anything. They are known for eating roadkill, rotten corpses, rotten food and they clean their food in water and humidity. They only eat flesh and leave the bones intact.
B. The Myth of Yatagarasu
1. Explanation of the term 'Yatagarasu'
Yatagarasu (kanji: 八咫烏) literally means "eight-span crow" or "eight-headed" crow. He is the guardian god of the sun and is generally depicted with three legs. Yatagarasu has various other appearances in other Asian countries, primarily in the "big three": China, Japan and Korea.
2. Japan.
Yatagarasu's role was small in the beginning, even though he was a deity. There are basically two steps of his legend:
- One is being a messenger / spy for the other Kami; Yatagarasu's appearance was regarded as an omen for either something really good or bad.
His permanent appearance was through the Koto Amatsukami, namely Takagi no Kami and Amaterasu who sent Yatagarasu as a savior to end Emperor Jimmu's war.
- The second step of his legend is that of a hero and savior. There are two myths known in the Kojiki and Nihon Shoki:
In the first one it's Amaterasu who is threatened by a terrible monster with great authority. The people were crying for a savior to come and slay the beast. And so, Yatagarasu came and slew the beast. Amaterasu's life was saved by her guardian, the crow Yatagarasu.
The second one involves a war again. Kamo Taketsunimi no Mikoto, the founder of the Kamo-Agatanushi clan, saved the people by turning into a great crow and thus ending the war. The Kamo Ataganushi, which still exist today in Japan, were called the descendants of that kami.
Yatagarasu is still worshipped today in many Japanese shrines.
3. Korea
In Korea, that crow is called Samjoko and is Korea's symbol of tremendous power, superior to both the dragon and the phoenix. In the Goguryeo period, the Korean kings used that crow as a symbol of power.
4. China.
The crow has three names in China: Sanzuwu (three-legged bird), Yangwu/Jinwu (golden crow). It's the guardian of the sun and symbolizes light.
C. The relevance of the Tripedal Crow in Asia
1. Japan
As a Kami, Yatagarasu holds a tremendous importance in the Japanese Shinto culture.
- Yatagarasu is the Emblem of both the Japanese Emperor and the National Football Team. Winners of the Emperor's Cup wear the Yatagarasu emblem.
- In Japan, Yatagarasu is considered a creed of courage and benevolence, seeing as Yatagarasu saved the Japanese people numerous times.
2. Korea
In Korea, the Samjoko is still considered a national emblem due to it's prestigeous power status. It symbolizes superiority, intelligence and millitary might.
3. China
The Sanzuwu was THE Emblem of the Chinese empire. It was everywhere: In the palace, on imperial garnments and there were even Twelve Medallions in the Imperial Palace; Sanzuwu is one of them.
When the Chinese empire met with the Japanese, Chinese ambassadors brought the Japanese a dead crow with three legs. It's also held that the Chinese used the Sanzuwu as a totem, similar to the Romans' SPQR.
So all in all, the Tripedal Crow is a symbol of power.
D. How all this links to Shikkotsurin = Crow's land
Shikkotsurin literally means 'Humid Bone Forest'. Let's break that term apart and apply what we have learned about crows so far:
Humid
The origin of crows is the Rainforest with high humidity. Crows wash their prey in water before eating it.
Bone
Crows are scavengers, eating corpses and decay. Of all flesh they eat, they leave bones behind.
Forest
The origin of crows is the forest. Even today, most crows and corvids live in forests and prey on insects and flesh.
E. Telltale clues in the Manga
Itachi.
- Itachi heavily links with crows, death and decay. Wherever he goes, death follows.
- He was a messenger/spy for Konoha; his primary reason for joining Akatsuki.
- In the databook, Itachi is regarded as a true hero for his sacrifice.
- Itachi was - and still is - an emblem of power and intelligence, similar to all the crows in the myth.
- He was guiding Naruto and now is guiding Sasuke in a way.
- Itachi was freed through a Jutsu called Koto Amatsukami. The same Koto Amatsukami in the myth that marked Yatagarasu's hero stage, ending many wars.
Sasuke
- Sasuke is not depicted as a hawk at all. Kishimoto depicts him as a Karasu Tengu, a crow demon.
- He used the vision of Karasu Bunshin in the Danzo fight.
- It is said that Sasuke will adapt Itachi's things once he is saved, inculding all his crow traits.
- The hawk seems to hold no general importance anymore, but the crow always had massive importance through Sasuke as well.
Susanoo
- Susanoo's current theme seems to be bones only, no flesh at all. In fact, it is Susanoo's true form before mastering the next stages.
F. Discussing the possibility of a Crow Mode
- The crow has massive mythological importance; it's perhaps the most important Kami after Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Susanoo.
- Three mythological places are said to exist in the Kojiki. In the Naruto manga they are the following:
-> Myobokuzan, the Toad Mountain - Naruto's SM
-> Ryuchido, the Dragon's Nest - Kabuto's SM
-> Shikkokutsurin, the forest that is (possibly) the den of the crows - Possible Tengu/Crow mode
- The Crow mode / Tengu mode might be the counterpart to the Sage Mode which is equally powerful. It is theorised that SM belongs to the Younger Son of Rikudou; Likewise, Crow mode belongs to the Elder Son.
- Tengu, particularly Karasu Tengu, in Japanese mythology are teachers of Ninjutsu, the human arts. Rikudou Sennin is regarded as the founder of Ninjutsu, marking the advent of Shinobi.
Since RS had two sons with two different natures, the means of gaining SM and the crow mode could be different:
-> SM relies on natural energy and a calm balance. You must have a suitable body.
-> Crow mode could rely on the purity of extreme emotions, mainly rage, righteousness and the desire to protect. the Elder Son inherited the eyes, so the key of gaining Crow mode could be through the eyes.
The Will of Koto Amatsukami made Kamo Taketsunimi no Mikoto a savior through turning to Yatagarasu. He was regarded a savior to this very day.
Itachi wanted Sasuke to be a savior and a hero known to all.
- Both Itachi and Sasuke are depicted as crows; the former more than the latter. Sasuke is the image of Karasu Tengu while Itachi is the image of Yatagarasu.
- Crows mark the dragon's defeat. Taketsunimi's Yatagarasu turning marked his victory. Itachi could unlock that crow mode through extreme distress done by Kabuto to Sasuke, thus slaying the dragon brutally as vengeance.
Sasuke could unlock it when his hatred against Konoha peaks ultimately.
Not my thread although some interesting facts and thorough speculation has caught my eye and made feel like i just had to share here on naruto base.
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