[Theory] Shiki the Golden Lion: the 7th Shichibukai

[Vandenre1ch]

Just as the title says, I think that Shiki is the 7th Shichibukai. I'm about 20% confident in this as it was just a random thought that popped into my mind but its still possible. Lets reflect on what we know about both men.

What we know about the 7th Shichibukai:
-He's a Level 6 Impel Down escapee
-He cut off Z's arm, an admiral's arm
-Brannew said "the man I talked about earlier" referring to the 7th shichibukai. This is probably a clever hint that the 7th Shichibuaki may be someone we already know about.

What he know about Shiki:
-He's an Impel Down escapee. Someone of his strength would definitely be a level 6 prisoner.
-Shiki definitely has the strength to cut off an admiral's arm and Shiki is a swordsman.
-Shiki was one Roger's strongest rivals and has strength that surpasses Silvers Rayleigh
-Shiki has been laying low for 20 years calculating some secret plan


HOLD IT!!!
Remember, it was never stated that the 7th Shichibukai was one of the level 6 prisoners that escaped during the war of the summit. It was simply said that the 7th Shichibukai was a level 6 prisoner. One more thing, Strong World is NON CANNON!!!!!!!!! Shiki himself is cannon.....

Lastly, take a look at Shiki's attire:

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Shiki really looks like a japanese swordsman. A feudal era samurai to be specific. His overcoats kinda looks like Kin'emon's samurai robe. Samurai clothing AND a swordsman? Shiki is from Wano-Kuni anyone? The Wano hype is strong.

Edit: This would be interesting as I made a theory saying that Kuina was actually murdered by a man seeking the Wado Ichimonji and that man was the 7th Shichibukai, who was chased off by Koshiro, the WSS before Mihawk. I believe Shiki was the WSS before Koshiro and that scheme Shiki is planning that will "turn the whole world upside down" is claming all/most of the legendary blades of the world. Its probably just a portion of his plan but its a direct contrast to Tashigi's goal. It'll also be very symbolic for Zoro to defeat another former WSS, much like he did zombie Ryuuma.

 

[Punk Hazard]

-He cut off Z's arm, an admiral's arm

I still wanna know where this was confirmed as canon

 

[Venomous Cobra]

I still wanna know where this was confirmed as canon

same here

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Just as the title says, I think that Shiki is the 7th Shichibukai. I'm about 20% confident in this as it was just a random thought that popped into my mind but its still possible. Lets reflect on what we know about both men.

What we know about the 7th Shichibukai:
-He's a Level 6 Impel Down escapee
-He cut off Z's arm, an admiral's arm
-Brannew said "the man I talked about earlier" referring to the 7th shichibukai. This is probably a clever hint that the 7th Shichibuaki may be someone we already know about.

What he know about Shiki:
-He's an Impel Down escapee. Someone of his strength would definitely be a level 6 prisoner.
-Shiki definitely has the strength to cut off an admiral's arm and Shiki is a swordsman.
-Shiki was one Roger's strongest rivals and has strength that surpasses Silvers Rayleigh
-Shiki has been laying low for 20 years calculating some secret plan


HOLD IT!!!
Remember, it was never stated that the 7th Shichibukai was one of the level 6 prisoners that escaped during the war of the summit. It was simply said that the 7th Shichibukai was a level 6 prisoner. One more thing, Strong World is NON CANNON!!!!!!!!! Shiki himself is cannon.....

Lastly, take a look at Shiki's attire:

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Shiki really looks like a japanese swordsman. A feudal era samurai to be specific. His overcoats kinda looks like Kin'emon's samurai robe. Samurai clothing AND a swordsman? Shiki is from Wano-Kuni anyone? The Wano hype is strong.

Edit: This would be interesting as I made a theory saying that Kuina was actually murdered by a man seeking the Wado Ichimonji and that man was the 7th Shichibukai, who was chased off by Koshiro, the WSS before Mihawk. I believe Shiki was the WSS before Koshiro and that scheme Shiki is planning that will "turn the whole world upside down" is claming all/most of the legendary blades of the world. Its probably just a portion of his plan but its a direct contrast to Tashigi's goal. It'll also be very symbolic for Zoro to defeat another former WSS, much like he did zombie Ryuuma.

Dude stop being a dumb ass

Shiki was roger and newgate level Meaning top 4 and had the biggest fleet

Y the hell would he go a level down?
Top 4 + fleet admiral & garp
3 admirals
7 warlords
Vice- admiral

 

[VongolaX]

The seventh warlord is not an old time pirate veteran.

It's a new era...

The warlord that cut off Z's came into title right after, such person will not gain the title now if he had it done several years prior to. Meaning the mysterious Z cutting warlord was/is a member pre timeskip or already retired with the original seven.

 

[Punk Hazard]

The seventh warlord is not an old time pirate veteran.

It's a new era...

The warlord that cut off Z's came into title right after, such person will not gain the title now if he had it done several years prior to. Meaning the mysterious Z cutting warlord was/is a member pre timeskip or already retired with the original seven.

If the whole ¨A warlord cut Z's arm thing¨ is canon, then that means that Z defecting from the Marines because that warlord was made a Shichibukai during the timeskip must also be true. Mihawk and Doffy are in their 40s, the Seventh Shichibukai could be around the same age now, and in his youth when he cut Z's arm if it's true.

 

[VongolaX]

If the whole ¨A warlord cut Z's arm thing¨ is canon, then that means that Z defecting from the Marines because that warlord was made a Shichibukai during the timeskip must also be true. Mihawk and Doffy are in their 40s, the Seventh Shichibukai could be around the same age now, and in his youth when he cut Z's arm if it's true.

I never agreed on it to be canon.

All the original warlords are in their forties or at least late thirties.

And no, it wouldn't make sense for the government to promote a feat that was done to a thirty three year old Z, when Z is seventy two years old now.

It doesn't work that way....

Also I can't figure out what you are implying in the bold part.

what's the causation?

 

[Punk Hazard]

I never agreed on it to be canon.

All the original warlords are in their forties or at least late thirties.

And no, it wouldn't make sense for the government to promote a feat that was done to a thirty three year old Z, when Z is seventy two years old now.

It doesn't work that way....

Also I can't figure out what you are implying in the bold part.

what's the causation?

In the backstory given for Z, it was said that he lost his Marine group, his family, and his arm was severed by a certain pirate. The same rendition of this backstory also stated that this pirate became Shichibukai during the 2 year timeskip. If we accept that the pirate that severed his arm becoming Shichibukai is canon, then we also have to accept that it happened during the timeskip since these two events were given to us in the exact same rendition.

A few things wrong with your logic. One, it doesn't matter if Z is 73 years old now, if someone severed his arm when he was in his prime, then that's a feat that lasts forever. The feat doesn't go away because Z eventually got old, it still happened when he was young. Secondly, no one said the pirate became Shichibukai because he severed Z's arm, that's just a thing that happened.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Dude stop being a dumb ass

Shiki was roger and newgate level Meaning top 4 and had the biggest fleet

Y the hell would he go a level down?
Top 4 + fleet admiral & garp
3 admirals
7 warlords
Vice- admiral

.......this guy thinks all warlords are on the same level and that people don't go down a level with age.....even though Garp, Sengoku and Rayleigh went down one with age....I'm done with this deluded level 1 Impel Down fodder....

I never agreed on it to be canon.

All the original warlords are in their forties or at least late thirties.

And no, it wouldn't make sense for the government to promote a feat that was done to a thirty three year old Z, when Z is seventy two years old now.

It doesn't work that way....

Also I can't figure out what you are implying in the bold part.

what's the causation?

In the backstory given for Z, it was said that he lost his Marine group, his family, and his arm was severed by a certain pirate. The same rendition of this backstory also stated that this pirate became Shichibukai during the 2 year timeskip. If we accept that the pirate that severed his arm becoming Shichibukai is canon, then we also have to accept that it happened during the timeskip since these two events were given to us in the exact same rendition.

A few things wrong with your logic. One, it doesn't matter if Z is 73 years old now, if someone severed his arm when he was in his prime, then that's a feat that lasts forever. The feat doesn't go away because Z eventually got old, it still happened when he was young. Secondly, no one said the pirate became Shichibukai because he severed Z's arm, that's just a thing that happened.

Just take what I say with a grain of salt. As I said, it was a random thought that popped into head when I was re-reading chapter 0.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

NGL this is almost word for word what I said in a thread in January

 

[VongolaX]

In the backstory given for Z, it was said that he lost his Marine group, his family, and his arm was severed by a certain pirate. The same rendition of this backstory also stated that this pirate became Shichibukai during the 2 year timeskip. If we accept that the pirate that severed his arm becoming Shichibukai is canon, then we also have to accept that it happened during the timeskip since these two events were given to us in the exact same rendition.

Z never went from thirty three to seventy two in a two year time skip.

I'm they to see proof of him saying this happened over timeskip.

A few things wrong with your logic. One, it doesn't matter if Z is 73 years old now, if someone severed his arm when he was in his prime, then that's a feat that lasts forever. The feat doesn't go away because Z eventually got old, it still happened when he was young. Secondly, no one said the pirate became Shichibukai because he severed Z's arm, that's just a thing that happened.

You're not making the slightest bit of sense here.

Bold part first: the mysterious person became a warlord shortly after severing Z's arm.

They would of listed a compilation of his other feats beside taking an admiral's arm.

Moria's a good prime example because his sole feat was parrying with Kaidou the yonkou, giving him a seat with warlords.

What other feat did they mentioned?

Nothing, nothing at all.

With that being said, a feat that happened X amount of years ago will not be credited now.

Like buggy, there was a compilation of feats that gave him the title. Being on the pirate kings ship twenty years back is not enough to give you a title right here and now.

It was every person he associated with until the war that they offered him a seat.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Z never went from thirty three to seventy two in a two year time skip.

I'm they to see proof of him saying this happened over timeskip.


You're not making the slightest bit of sense here.

Bold part first: the mysterious person became a warlord shortly after severing Z's arm.

They would of listed a compilation of his other feats beside taking an admiral's arm.

Moria's a good prime example because his sole feat was parrying with Kaidou the yonkou, giving him a seat with warlords.

What other feat did they mentioned?

Nothing, nothing at all.

With that being said, a feat that happened X amount of years ago will not be credited now.

Like buggy, there was a compilation of feats that gave him the title. Being on the pirate kings ship twenty years back is not enough to give you a title right here and now.

It was every person he associated with until the war that they offered him a seat.

Alright, I'm gonna say it one more time, and I'm gonna try to be as clear as possible.

1. When Z was in his 30s, his arm was severed by a pirate who also killed his subordinates
2. About 40 years later, this pirate became Shichibukai during the 2 year timeskip

The pirate DID NOT become Shichibukai shortly after slicing off Z's arm. It was never said that the pirate became Shichibukai solely because he severed Z's arm, he most likely got other feats as well as the decades went by. It's still a good feat, so it most likely contributed to him getting the position, but no one ever said that was the only reason.

I tried looking up a video of Garp explaining what happened to Coby, but there are no YouTube videos of the scene. Simply rewatch the part of the movie where Garp explains Z's past to Coby; he says that Z retired from being a Marine after his arm was severed and spent the next few decades training Marines. He then says that during the timeskip, the pirate was made Shichibukai and Z was enraged at the World Government, so he left and formed the Neo Navy.

 

[Caliburn]

Just as the title says, I think that Shiki is the 7th Shichibukai. I'm about 20% confident in this as it was just a random thought that popped into my mind but its still possible. Lets reflect on what we know about both men.

What we know about the 7th Shichibukai:
-He's a Level 6 Impel Down escapee
-He cut off Z's arm, an admiral's arm
-Brannew said "the man I talked about earlier" referring to the 7th shichibukai. This is probably a clever hint that the 7th Shichibuaki may be someone we already know about.

What he know about Shiki:
-He's an Impel Down escapee. Someone of his strength would definitely be a level 6 prisoner.
-Shiki definitely has the strength to cut off an admiral's arm and Shiki is a swordsman.
-Shiki was one Roger's strongest rivals and has strength that surpasses Silvers Rayleigh
-Shiki has been laying low for 20 years calculating some secret plan


HOLD IT!!!
Remember, it was never stated that the 7th Shichibukai was one of the level 6 prisoners that escaped during the war of the summit. It was simply said that the 7th Shichibukai was a level 6 prisoner. One more thing, Strong World is NON CANNON!!!!!!!!! Shiki himself is cannon.....

Lastly, take a look at Shiki's attire:

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Shiki really looks like a japanese swordsman. A feudal era samurai to be specific. His overcoats kinda looks like Kin'emon's samurai robe. Samurai clothing AND a swordsman? Shiki is from Wano-Kuni anyone? The Wano hype is strong.

Edit: This would be interesting as I made a theory saying that Kuina was actually murdered by a man seeking the Wado Ichimonji and that man was the 7th Shichibukai, who was chased off by Koshiro, the WSS before Mihawk. I believe Shiki was the WSS before Koshiro and that scheme Shiki is planning that will "turn the whole world upside down" is claming all/most of the legendary blades of the world. Its probably just a portion of his plan but its a direct contrast to Tashigi's goal. It'll also be very symbolic for Zoro to defeat another former WSS, much like he did zombie Ryuuma.

When was it ever stated that it was Shiki who cut off Z's arm?

There are a hell of a lot of characters. So whether what Brannew said was meant to imply we know the 7th Shichibukai or not, doesn't really matter as that leaves still all the characters. We also knew Buggy and he was simply introduced as a Shichibukai. So that Oda doesn't show the last one yet, might as much be because we don't know that character yet and Oda doesn't want to introduce him yet as that we might now him.

Shiki was shown to not be very fond of the Marines, he also has shown not to be a person who accepts so easily people above him. On top of that the Marines know that he is a very calculating person who always has had a lot of ambition, so that he would accept a potential request of joining the Shichibukai, means he's scheming something and thus letting him getting so close to the Marines, wouldn't be very smart.

Lastly Shiki is of Roger's, Whitebeard's, Garp's and Sengoku's era. The entire Marineford arc was meant to bring the point across that their era is over for both the Marines and the Pirates. So that they are going to make an oldie like him Shichibukai, goes completely against the flow of the series.

 

[A v i]

same here

I still wanna know where this was confirmed as canon

I would like to add my name to this list.