[Discussion] Shiki,s strength?

[MasqueradeNX]

I watched strong world again not to long ago. Shiki seemed very cool and powerful then got stomped at the end fight. If/when shiki is in canon how strong do you think he will be?

Who could shiki beat in prime and at his old age?​

 

[Bimbonium]

In his prime, he'd give don Chinjao a run for his money, he did not seem to know how to utilize haki so he's just about strongest paradise pirate

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Prime he's near whitebeard and Rodger but to a lower extent in example he'd prob be like Marco was to kizaru. Able to combat but cannot really (by feats) put out enough damage to take him out...


But if the primes r indeed stronger then current gen


It's be like in prime

Rodger>=whitebeard>garp>=sengoku>Shiki>old whitebeard and where ever the current yonko stand

 

[YellowFang]

Well, he had enough large fleet of pirates that it is said that 'Roger on multiple occasions barely managed to escape from him including that Ed war'...

And the way he got along with WB after he escaped ID makes him seem quite formidable and the best, it took Garp and Sengoku a whole day to bring him down with half of MF destroyed in the proceedings...

 

[Skull Knight]

Prime Shiki would be like Jack. Low-mid admiral lvl

 

[MasqueradeNX]

So he was ruffly low tier of the strongest pirates of his era.
In the movie he lost in such a disappointing mana.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

I know that everyone is gonna jump the gun and downplay Shiki's power just because he lost to luffy. But if we all take a look at what put him down, it was his weakness on top of an attack that was able to destroy a whole island.

With that being said, in his prime he was rivals with Rogers and Whitebeard at the time. Physically he was not the strongest but he was absolutely one of the most powerful character. His devil fruit allowed him to manipulate water, that's just too haxx.

 

[MasqueradeNX]

i think he could of done so much more in the movie but plot......

 

[KingHashirama]

Hes weaker than Sengoku/Garp, Roger/WB for sure. Maybe even weaker than Rayleigh. In his prime imo, he'd be around one of the Yonko's level right now.

 

[arv993]

Hes weaker than Sengoku/Garp, Roger/WB for sure. Maybe even weaker than Rayleigh. In his prime imo, he'd be around one of the Yonko's level right now.

he took on sengoku and garp for a day. everything suggests that he is with Garp/WB/roger level. sengoku doesnt belong there he was never given the hype garp gets whatsoever. pirates fear the "demon" garp, he one shotted prime chinjao and most importantly PK roger said they had death matches constantly, sengoku does not have that type of hype.

 

[KingHashirama]

he took on sengoku and garp for a day. everything suggests that he is with Garp/WB/roger level. sengoku doesnt belong there he was never given the hype garp gets whatsoever. pirates fear the "demon" garp, he one shotted prime chinjao and most importantly PK roger said they had death matches constantly, sengoku does not have that type of hype.

Shiki was never given the hype Roger/Garp/Whitebeard get. and Sengoku without a doubt belongs on that level, due to him holding the very position that the strongest admiral of the current generation is holding, Fleet Admiral. Fleet Admiral itself is "hype". And the whole "garp would've gotten that position, but he denied getting it".. we don't know. We only know he denied being an Admiral, not fleet admiral. Sengoku/Garp were the top 2 Marines of their generation, WB/Roger were the top 2 pirates of their Generation.. so why would they both not be on the same level, when Oda keeps the top tier of the marines on par with the top tier of the pirates.

He took on Sengoku and Garp for a day.. nice, and? How did the fight go? Was he running around?? Were they talking a lot?? Were Garp and Sengoku serious (which i doubt they were considering they were on Marineford) the entire time? See you don't know how the fight went down, all you know is their fight destroyed half of marineford.. something Garp can do himself in couple of attacks.

So why would I put him up there with Sengoku/Garp/Wb/Roger, when he doesn't have anything suggesting such a thing?

 

[arv993]

Shiki was never given the hype Roger/Garp/Whitebeard get. and Sengoku without a doubt belongs on that level, due to him holding the very position that the strongest admiral of the current generation is holding, Fleet Admiral. Fleet Admiral itself is "hype". And the whole "garp would've gotten that position, but he denied getting it".. we don't know. We only know he denied being an Admiral, not fleet admiral. Sengoku/Garp were the top 2 Marines of their generation, WB/Roger were the top 2 pirates of their Generation.. so why would they both not be on the same level, when Oda keeps the top tier of the marines on par with the top tier of the pirates.

He took on Sengoku and Garp for a day.. nice, and? How did the fight go? Was he running around?? Were they talking a lot?? Were Garp and Sengoku serious (which i doubt they were considering they were on Marineford) the entire time? See you don't know how the fight went down, all you know is their fight destroyed half of marineford.. something Garp can do himself in couple of attacks.

So why would I put him up there with Sengoku/Garp/Wb/Roger, when he doesn't have anything suggesting such a thing?

Yea shiki was given that hype by the mere fact that he was taking on garp and sengoku at once and it took them a day to beat him. Oh yea garp and sengoku must like destroying half of marineford and wasting more time than necessary to put down a notorious pirate. Those are feats no one can other than that tier of garp/WB and roger can compete with. Sengoku was never given that hype , ur not thinking straight if he believe fleet admiral means ur insanely strong, kuzan was supposed to be FA not akainu but akainu challenged an beat him, FA is a leadership role doesnt mean you're stronger than an admiral. your argument is pathetic cuz the manga outright proved you wrong akainu>kuzan.

who told u everyone is equal, did oda explicitly state that wb=sengoku. absolutely not marines arent always equal to top tier pirates, sure they may be close but not equal. Garp has gotten the most hype as a marine, he was said by roger to have near death battles with each other, he one shotted prime chinjao and called him a demon, he's called hero of the marines and is famous and is used to recruit marines. He easily stopped marco, the guy is hyped and showed decent feats to the extreme. Sengoku doesnt have close to that hype, sure can he give him a high diff fight but are they equal absolutely not, Oda hyped him as the strongest marine.

Your logic is astoundingly poor dont put sengoku on the likes of WB or roger oda never even mentioned him with them, where as shiki is a known rival with really good feats in his fights with garp and sengoku and you think they werent serious about a guy destroying marineford. sengoku goes apeshit when ppl leave impel down or ruin the marine name you would think he would want to minimize damage as much as possible. seriously your arguments are getting funny.

Shiki has amazing feats that puts him on that level, anyone who takes on both those guys and doesnt lose for a day and destroys half of marineford means he is very very close to roger lvl etc. sengoku on the other hand is meh in terms of hype but sure hes close but not on garp's level or shiki's for that matter.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yea shiki was given that hype by the mere fact that he was taking on garp and sengoku at once and it took them a day to beat him. Oh yea garp and sengoku must like destroying half of marineford and wasting more time than necessary to put down a notorious pirate. Those are feats no one can other than that tier of garp/WB and roger can compete with. Sengoku was never given that hype , ur not thinking straight if he believe fleet admiral means ur insanely strong, kuzan was supposed to be FA not akainu but akainu challenged an beat him, FA is a leadership role doesnt mean you're stronger than an admiral. your argument is pathetic cuz the manga outright proved you wrong akainu>kuzan.

who told u everyone is equal, did oda explicitly state that wb=sengoku. absolutely not marines arent always equal to top tier pirates, sure they may be close but not equal. Garp has gotten the most hype as a marine, he was said by roger to have near death battles with each other, he one shotted prime chinjao and called him a demon, he's called hero of the marines and is famous and is used to recruit marines. He easily stopped marco, the guy is hyped and showed decent feats to the extreme. Sengoku doesnt have close to that hype, sure can he give him a high diff fight but are they equal absolutely not, Oda hyped him as the strongest marine.

Your logic is astoundingly poor dont put sengoku on the likes of WB or roger oda never even mentioned him with them, where as shiki is a known rival with really good feats in his fights with garp and sengoku and you think they werent serious about a guy destroying marineford. sengoku goes apeshit when ppl leave impel down or ruin the marine name you would think he would want to minimize damage as much as possible. seriously your arguments are getting funny.

Shiki has amazing feats that puts him on that level, anyone who takes on both those guys and doesnt lose for a day and destroys half of marineford means he is very very close to roger lvl etc. sengoku on the other hand is meh in terms of hype but sure hes close but not on garp's level or shiki's for that matter.

1. There is nothing in the manga that says they fought for a day. But simply they fought until Marineford was half destroyed. (unless you know of a scan showing the opposite.)

2. Becoming the fleet admiral is hype enough. Being the second strongest marine is hype enough. If you're looking for some "epic hype" moments, then you won't find them for Sengoku.

3. You do realize being on par =/= equal. right? Being on par refers to being on somebody's level, and nearly being somebody's equal. It does not translate into 100% equal.

4. "Oda never mentioned him with them"..Except he did. Reread the Marineford war.

 

[arv993]

1. There is nothing in the manga that says they fought for a day. But simply they fought until Marineford was half destroyed. (unless you know of a scan showing the opposite.)

2. Becoming the fleet admiral is hype enough. Being the second strongest marine is hype enough. If you're looking for some "epic hype" moments, then you won't find them for Sengoku.

3. You do realize being on par =/= equal. right? Being on par refers to being on somebody's level, and nearly being somebody's equal. It does not translate into 100% equal.

4. "Oda never mentioned him with them"..Except he did. Reread the Marineford war.

1. I looked back and yes they didnt give a timeframe but it took a while as it destroyed half of marineford which isnt easy as there is two strong ppl trying to protect the city. they were absolutely trying as he killed marines and destroyed half of MF which is not ideal. His crew also almost beat roger's crew in the edd war and was a known rival to roger so this additional hype/feats for his case.

2. Its not hype its just leadership skills, akainu> kuzan glad you understand FA means nothing in terms of power. Garp>sengoku proves it as well. yea insanely strong ppl get hyped like that shanks, WB, kaidou, roger,shiki, dragon i can keep going on. even big mom is getting good hype nowadays. oda is pretty explicit with these things.

3. sengoku is not on roger's level, he would likely lose 10 out of 10 where as garp was said to be his equal they were bringing each other to death's door, its not the same sengoku never was put on WB or roger 's level

4. yea he was born in the same era and is known to be a tactical genius not the same as being roger's level in strength.

 

[KingHashirama]

1. I looked back and yes they didnt give a timeframe but it took a while as it destroyed half of marineford which isnt easy as there is two strong ppl trying to protect the city. they were absolutely trying as he killed marines and destroyed half of MF which is not ideal. His crew also almost beat roger's crew in the edd war and was a known rival to roger so this additional hype/feats for his case.

2. Its not hype its just leadership skills, akainu> kuzan glad you understand FA means nothing in terms of power. Garp>sengoku proves it as well. yea insanely strong ppl get hyped like that shanks, WB, kaidou, roger,shiki, dragon i can keep going on. even big mom is getting good hype nowadays. oda is pretty explicit with these things.

3. sengoku is not on roger's level, he would likely lose 10 out of 10 where as garp was said to be his equal they were bringing each other to death's door, its not the same sengoku never was put on WB or roger 's level

4. yea he was born in the same era and is known to be a tactical genius not the same as being roger's level in strength.

1. when you have a guy who used mountains for punching bags.. and a guy who becomes a huge buddha.. fighting another guy on their level.. the fact only half of Marineford was destroyed is actually a testament that it wasn't that big of a fight.

2. Garp is an exception to the entire marine organization.. so no clue why you're mentioning him. Fleet admiral > admiral >Vice-admiral <<< in terms of strength. Garp is the only person to defy that law, and maybe Smoker might be as well if he does the samething. Sengoku the Buddha, the name itself is hype, Whitebeard's references to Sengoku were hype.

3. Anyone from Roger's era including Garp and Whitebeard would lose to Roger 10/10.

4. second strongest marine of that era = on roger's level, no further argument is needed for me.

 

[Skull Knight]

Yea shiki was given that hype by the mere fact that he was taking on garp and sengoku at once and it took them a day to beat him. Oh yea garp and sengoku must like destroying half of marineford and wasting more time than necessary to put down a notorious pirate. Those are feats no one can other than that tier of garp/WB and roger can compete with.

No he was never given any big hype.
He brought a fleet to fight Roger & lost that fight.
He went to MF & got his butt kicked by Roger & Garp.
He went to WB to congratulate him that he is new PK.
Pre-Timeskip Luffy destroyed him with lightning.

Shiki has amazing feats that puts him on that level, anyone who takes on both those guys and doesnt lose for a day and destroys half of marineford means he is very very close to roger lvl etc. sengoku on the other hand is meh in terms of hype but sure hes close but not on garp's level or shiki's for that matter.

With that logic Jack is also close to Roger lvl because he fought 2admiral lvl guys(Sengoku,Isshou) & 1 vice admiral lvl(Tsuru).
Destroyed 2/4Marines ship.
Survived the battle with minor injuries.
And we should also not forget that he fought 5days without any rest against Dukes & Minks.

 

[arv993]

1. when you have a guy who used mountains for punching bags.. and a guy who becomes a huge buddha.. fighting another guy on their level.. the fact only half of Marineford was destroyed is actually a testament that it wasn't that big of a fight.

2. Garp is an exception to the entire marine organization.. so no clue why you're mentioning him. Fleet admiral > admiral >Vice-admiral <<< in terms of strength. Garp is the only person to defy that law, and maybe Smoker might be as well if he does the samething. Sengoku the Buddha, the name itself is hype, Whitebeard's references to Sengoku were hype.

3. Anyone from Roger's era including Garp and Whitebeard would lose to Roger 10/10.

4. second strongest marine of that era = on roger's level, no further argument is needed for me.

sengoku the buddha is enough hype lol dude you're reaching beyond belief. just accept the fact that garp's hype trounces the likes of sengoku. he can give him a high diff fight nothing more.

roger himself said he had deathmatches meaning fights close to death with garp, soo no he doesnt lose 10/10. Wb was a fearsome pirate said to be equal to roger in their primes, sure there can be minuscule differences but not much.

garp has more DC, does shiki not really he can just float things and crash them to the ground but not on the likes of WB or garp who can punch mountains, and a lot of can easily be negated by garp and sengoku is there as well but it still took down half of MF which is very impressive and shows that it took a while to put him down.

if FA> admiral why was kuzan recommended but akainu beat him its not like they make you have a fight to the death with admirals to decide who is FA. you kno its a leadership position. and garp> sengoku why is he not FA. and garp> kong why is he not FA. FA is a purely a leadership position sure you have to be admiral level.

And WB called him smart and tactical not a monster big difference in hype, garp is always paraded as a hero and called a demon much different than sengoku. monsters lvl hype are ppl like WB, roger,garp. and in the new gen its ppl like kaido and dragon. shanks come close. shiki is a known rival and was the favorite in the edd war and although he outnumbered roger he had no known high level ppl like rayleigh etc. and he was given great feats as well.